Why are there still Monkeys?

[FearGod]

Here is something odd. Why should life come from life, is that your only answer? That certainly wouldn't say where life comes from. Non-life to life, non-intelligence to intelligence, makes sense. Intelligence to intelligence is begging the question. Your last statement is begging the question and appeal to ignorance, actually life can exist in extremely high temperatures, its possible. We don't fully know the answer to that, for all we know life can be all over this universe.

Can life exist within the singularity ?

Even the ignorant will say that water is needed for life to exist,so how can there be life within the universe out of nothing.

Speak logic pls than making yourself looks fool.

 

[idav]

Can life exist within the singularity ?

Even the ignorant will say that water is needed for life to exist,so how can there be life within the universe out of nothing.

Possibly, I think no, but I think omnipresence and omniscience can. Life requires other parameters, it is a different sort of system. I have been driving this point the whole time.

We just don't know that what is required for life. Just cause water did the trick here, we simply have no idea how diverse life can be.

Speak logic pls than making yourself looks fool.

Spare me.

 

[FearGod]

We just don't know that what is required for life. Just cause water did the trick here, we simply have no idea how diverse life can be
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Natural magic.

 

[idav]

Natural magic.

Supernatural is the natural we don't fully understand.

 

[NewGuyOnTheBlock]

Natural magic.

We once called Earthquakes, Tsunamis, Diseases and Volcanoes "natural magic" too.

Then, we learned ....

 

[outhouse]

We once called Earthquakes, Tsunamis, Diseases and Volcanoes "natural magic" too.

Then, we learned ....

Exactly.

The difference is only those who wish to keep making ancient mens mistakes.

And those who wish to learn.

 

[FearGod]

We once called Earthquakes, Tsunamis, Diseases and Volcanoes "natural magic" too.

Then, we learned ....

Those things that you mentioned unintentionally are God's tools to treat human haughtiness.

Can you stop Tsunami,earthquake,Volcanoes ..etc from happening ?
Can you prevent a terminal illness from ending the life of your loving ones ?

 

[metis]

When it comes to origins science, science has been wrong before, which tells us that science isn't always right. Scientists can't duplicate the beginning of the universe and all that has happened in the past. Scientists used to accept that the universe had no beginning. Well guess what, it was found out that it did which ended up supporting religion, religion won over science.

Nobody that I know who's in science would ever claim that we can't be wrong at times, but the big advantage that science has is that new evidence can encourage us to correct our mistakes, which is not true with religion since the latter is mostly unfalsifiable.

Secondly, our universe may well not have had a beginning since most cosmologists tend to lean in the direction the our minute universe existed prior to the BB, whereas it appears to have been about the size of a present-day atom prior to the expansion. Even though what we now know about quantum mechanics would allow for basically a spontaneous emergence of a universe, no cosmologist that I have ever read assumes that literally nothing anywhere existed before our own BB.

BTW, cosmologists, whom are the reigning experts in this area, have the lowest rate of theism amongst all scientists, so what you posted above simply doesn't impress them. The real question is where did our universe come from, and at this point we don't know, and we may never know.

 

[metis]

Possibly, I think no, but I think omnipresence and omniscience can. Life requires other parameters, it is a different sort of system. I have been driving this point the whole time.

We just don't know that what is required for life. Just cause water did the trick here, we simply have no idea how diverse life can be.

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An article in June's "Scientific American" posits the possibility that one of the moons of Jupiter, which has a mostly methane atmosphere, hypothetically might be able to support life.

Also, in that same June edition, tests from Mars' rock analysis looking for life came back with some positive results, although it's not enough to conclude that Mars once had life, as it's possible it could be a false positive.

 

[metis]

Please show me where science accepts anything other than naturalism in the ToE.

We simply cannot assume that a deity or deities exist, nor do we know how we could test for them. Since there's no way God(s) could be put into any formula without some verification that such God(s) exist, the ToE cannot plug them into any scientific hypothesis, because even a scientific hypothesis needs some evidence that indicates that it could be true.

For example, if I say the world's coming to an end tomorrow, but I can't produce any evidence why this could be the case, it may be a personal hypothesis that I have but is not a scientific hypothesis.

However, it also works the other way, namely that the ToE doesn't assume that a God(s) can't or couldn't exist, so there's a great many people active in their faiths that believe God(s) may well be behind the ToE, and many of these people are scientists.

 

[NewGuyOnTheBlock]

Those things that you mentioned unintentionally are God's tools to treat human haughtiness.

Can you stop Tsunami,earthquake,Volcanoes ..etc from happening ?
Can you prevent a terminal illness from ending the life of your loving ones ?

In this age of science, when we can explain and even predict each and every one of these listed, and that these explanations and predictions are based on natural laws of cause and effect, it totally appalls me that someone would postulate that these are works of a god.

 

[FearGod]

In this age of science, when we can explain and even predict each and every one of these listed, and that these explanations and predictions are based on natural laws of cause and effect, it totally appalls me that someone would postulate that these are works of a god.

Can you predict if there will be a strong earthquake somewhere by tomorrow and how your prediction is related to cause and effect.

It is very easy to kill God, just create life and then no one will believe in God.
So keep on learning as it is God's challenge as to create life as he did.

 

[NewGuyOnTheBlock]

No, you're not going to shift the goalpost like that; that's total bunk.

Can you predict if there will be a strong earthquake somewhere by tomorrow and how your prediction is related to cause and effect.

Of course we can't be that specific; we can predict them with some accuracy within time frames that are useless; as wide ranges far into the future, or, believe it or not, several seconds before they actually happen. But, they are working on it and it will only be a matter of time before this argument you're presenting will be archaic.

Cause and Effect? Really? Where were you the day they taught Plate Tectonics in school?

[youtube]b5f09mh-gIM[/youtube]
California's 800 mile long San Andreas Fault [DOCUMENTARY] - YouTube

 

[outhouse]

You will find the ignore feature to be more benificial, for certain posters.

Works for me for people who refuse to reason.

 

[NewGuyOnTheBlock]

Yeah, I think I need to use that for a couple of the more ... uh ... let me start over ...

I think I need to use that feature in regards to those who's beliefs are so different than mine that we will likely not find agreement.

How do I use it, please?

 

[FearGod]

No, you're not going to shift the goalpost like that; that's total bunk.

Where is the bunk ?

Of course we can't be that specific; we can predict them with some accuracy within time frames that are useless; as wide ranges far into the future, or, believe it or not, several seconds before they actually happen. But, they are working on it and it will only be a matter of time before this argument you're presenting will be archaic.

Animals can do it better than you do and without learning.

Can Animals Sense Earthquakes?

Cause and Effect? Really? Where were you the day they taught Plate Tectonics in school?

[youtube]b5f09mh-gIM[/youtube]
California's 800 mile long San Andreas Fault [DOCUMENTARY] - YouTube

I didn't ask you how earthquakes happened, but the question how prediction works, how you can predict the cause before seeing the effect at work.

 

[FearGod]

You will find the ignore feature to be more benificial, for certain posters.

Works for me for people who refuse to reason.

You have to be a good debater first

See your own silly mistakes

I keep said poster on ignore, there will be no debating going on at all, no matter 1+1+2 you will never get a 2 out of him.

1+1+2 how to get 2 out of me while it should be 4

 

[NewGuyOnTheBlock]

Let's just reiterate what we already know and avoid the hurdles, shall we?

We both know how earthquakes happen. Because we know how earthquakes happen, we understand the causes and effects of earthquakes. Because we have this knowledge, we can predict earthquakes, though not at a usable time scale. With all of this knowledge, and with all of this knowledge being demonstrated (and presented in that video I posted), we both know that earthquakes are a physical and natural phenomenon and have absolutely not a spitting thing to do with God.

 

[Thief]

Let's just reiterate what we already know and avoid the hurdles, shall we?

We both know how earthquakes happen. Because we know how earthquakes happen, we understand the causes and effects of earthquakes. Because we have this knowledge, we can predict earthquakes, though not at a usable time scale. With all of this knowledge, and with all of this knowledge being demonstrated (and presented in that video I posted), we both know that earthquakes are a physical and natural phenomenon and have absolutely not a spitting thing to do with God.

So....an item set in motion along time ago cannot be associated with that Item that set it into motion?

 

[outhouse]

Yeah, I think I need to use that for a couple of the more ... uh ... let me start over ...

I think I need to use that feature in regards to those who's beliefs are so different than mine that we will likely not find agreement.

How do I use it, please?

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