Why Are White Men Stockpiling Guns?

[Shad]

Ah..... but you wrote it.............. your country derives its power from the people, a democracy, so if the majority vote for and support the common-sense of gun controls, any who break such new legislation are criminals.

You have confused a representative democracy with a direct democracy and tyranny of the majority.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Yes, let's make everything about race.

I think it's the fad of the present generation.

Hell, no one even listens to Morgan Freeman trying to tell people just to shut up about it.

 

[siti]

Republican gun ownership is about 55%, and probably not much different for people who consider themselves Libertarian. Democrats do own them as well, I believe that number is somewhere around 30%. The short: More people have them than don't, always have.

Huh! I'm a bit worried that the gun control argument is being won by people who are so incredibly bad at math. Being generous, 55% of republicans would amount to about 26% of the total population and 30% of democrats about 15% of the total - that adds up to a little over 40% of the total population (right?). The short: your math is wrong - unless you mean that short people are much more likely to own guns - which is more or less (mostly less actually) what the OP suggested (if you see what I mean).

 

[oldbadger]

I didn't say anything about democracy or even apply that is valid, the USA is a republic. Democracy is a nice way of saying mob rule, and historically it's failed every time that it has been implemented. The masses generally make decisions on group think rather than the ultimate good. Most of the existing nations that implement democracy directly are communist or socialist, it works so well.

That's why we have a representative form of government, to keep the plebs from rocking the boat too much.

So the people are plebs, and you would end democracy?
OMG.

Abraham Lincoln:-
Government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the Earth.

 

[oldbadger]

You have confused a representative democracy with a direct democracy and tyranny of the majority.

Is that your way of saying that legislation which you like will be obeyed, but that legislation which you don't like will be ignored?

 

[Shad]

Is that your way of saying that legislation which you like will be obeyed, but that legislation which you don't like will be ignored?

Nope. I am pointing out a well established objection to direct democracy and "the People" voting over any issues without any checks, balances nor a guideline (a constitution) as a common basis. Take such a majority vote to topics which you may not support or are against. Such system can turn against you and your views merely because a majority determine X is legal or illegal.

 

[oldbadger]

Nope. I am pointing out a well established objection to direct democracy and "the People" voting over any issues without any checks, balances nor a guideline (a constitution) as a common basis. Take such a majority vote to topics which you may not support or are against.

But the US Constitution introduces itself with 'We the People of the United States............' ?

Such system can turn against you and your views merely because a majority determine X is legal or illegal.

Are you saying that if 'The People' decide against what you personally want then they shouldn't be allowed to do that?

Do you believe in some kind of anarchy?

 

[Curious George]

But the US Constitution introduces itself with 'We the People of the United States............' ?

And follows with in Order to form a more perfect union....

Are you saying that if 'The People' decide against what you personally want then they shouldn't be allowed to do that?

Do you believe in some kind of anarchy?

I believe he is stating only that there should be checks on such decisions.

 

[oldbadger]

And follows with in Order to form a more perfect union....

OK, but the people and their elected representatives do make the decisions. If any US citizens might prefer State dictatorships then I would be very surprised.

I believe he is stating only that there should be checks on such decisions.

The member was writing about the people as a mob of plebs, or something. Over here (UK) when a lurking microphone or IT mistake reveals such mindsets in politicians, their careers are gone and buried.

 

[PureX]

Yes, let's make everything about race.

I didn't start this thread.

 

[Curious George]

OK, but the people and their elected representatives do make the decisions. If any US citizens might prefer State dictatorships then I would be very surprised.


The member was writing about the people as a mob of plebs, or something. Over here (UK) when a lurking microphone or IT mistake reveals such mindsets in politicians, their careers are gone and buried.

Not in the chain that you were quoting. You are trying to turn a statement into something that it was not. It is a call for balance. Do you believe there should be none. That any mere majority can essentially do as they please, to whom they please? That sounds like an awful system for 49% of the people.

 

[Audie]

Thats not a teal man. Thats an arrogant and selfish bore

Hmm, does not seem so to me. Why do you say that?

 

[Audie]

I guess it helps them feel like real men,

I do understand that in Britain, people may be trained and tamed to
think so. My boyfriend pointed to an article inwhich a Brit was in
what, Vietnam I think, where they let tourists fire military weapons
for $$$.

The chap went on about the weird feeling of a weapon designed to kill.
(see dirk or halberd ) and the tremendous recoil of an AK47, deafening blast.

I have fired an AK 47, all 152 cm x 46 kg of me, and it is nothing. A bit heavy
maybe.

You have never met an American gun owner, and actually do not know
anything except for stereotypes, I would guess, so it seems a little mean spirited to me, for you to say such things, what do you think?

My boyfriend, for one..of course, in NYC, he does not keep any weapons
here, they are stored with a friend in a more "friendly" state.

As to being insecure about his masculinity? THAT is funny!

I am not criticizing, ok?

 

[ChristineM]

Hmm, does not seem so to me. Why do you say that?

Spelling error, teal should have read real

Anyone who says im doing what i want at the expense of others is why i say that

 

[ChristineM]

I do understand that in Britain, people may be trained and tamed to
think so. My boyfriend pointed to an article inwhich a Brit was in
what, Vietnam I think, where they let tourists fire military weapons
for $$$.

The chap went on about the weird feeling of a weapon designed to kill.
(see dirk or halberd ) and the tremendous recoil of an AK47, deafening blast.

I have fired an AK 47, all 152 cm x 46 kg of me, and it is nothing. A bit heavy
maybe.

You have never met an American gun owner, and actually do not know
anything except for stereotypes, I would guess, so it seems a little mean spirited to me, for you to say such things, what do you think?

My boyfriend, for one..of course, in NYC, he does not keep any weapons
here, they are stored with a friend in a more "friendly" state.

As to being insecure about his masculinity? THAT is funny!

I am not criticizing, ok?

Not so, in the uk it is illegal to own hand guns, rifles are accepted.

Note the difference in gun crime figures between the uk and usa.

Here in France guns can be bought in sports shops, specialist gun shops, even some supermarkets. So no training or taming involved.

Yes i have met American gun owners, i have visited several states in America on numerous occasions.

Nope not funny at all.

 

[Audie]

Spelling error, teal should have read real

Anyone who says im doing what i want at the expense of others is why i say that

Ok, I saw "real". "Doing what I want at the expense of others" is not cool.

I feel shame for the times I have done so.

 

[Audie]

Not so, in the uk it is illegal to own hand guns, rifles are accepted.

Note the difference in gun crime figures between the uk and usa.

Here in France guns can be bought in sports shops, specialist gun shops, even some supermarkets. So no training or taming involved.

Yes i have met American gun owners, i have visited several states in America on numerous occasions.

Nope not funny at all.

Was it your feeling that the Americans you met were trying ti feel like real men via weapons they own?

The fellow who carried on so in Vietnam probably is not typical?
I dunno.

As for crime raters, it is not politically correct to sort them by race, tbut
there is an ethnic /racial group and certain few big cities that figure way way
disproportionately into the high crime rate in the USA.

As per a previous statement, it would be fine with me if every gun in the world were at the bottom of the ocean, and no more ever made.

 

[ChristineM]

Was it your feeling that the Americans you met were trying ti feel like real men via weapons they own?

The fellow who carried on so in Vietnam probably is not typical?
I dunno.

As for crime raters, it is not politically correct to sort them by race, tbut
there is an ethnic /racial group and certain few big cities that figure way way
disproportionately into the high crime rate in the USA.

As per a previous statement, it would be fine with me if every gun in the world were at the bottom of the ocean, and no more ever made.

Can't say so for all but i think most of the ones i met were using guns as a boost to masculinity.

Ha, ha, just remembered a story of a friend. He is a member of a gun club, very keen on competition. Carries several rifles and shotguns locked in his car boot (trunk). One night returning from a competition he had an accident. Police arrived, takes details then said, "please open your boot". When the boot lid came up the cop went into panic mode, a major event was called. Road closure, armed police, helicopter, the lot. Only then did the officer on charge ask why the guns.

 

[oldbadger]

Not in the chain that you were quoting. You are trying to turn a statement into something that it was not. It is a call for balance. Do you believe there should be none. That any mere majority can essentially do as they please, to whom they please? That sounds like an awful system for 49% of the people.

Well then. Best for you that you're not a Brit. We are leaving the EU on a 51% vote of the people.
Good thing too!

 

[ChristineM]

Well then. Best for you that you're not a Brit. We are leaving the EU on a 51% vote of the people.
Good thing too!

Nope, 51% of 72.2%, actually about 37% of the people. That's democracy for ya