Why be muslim?

[morphesium]

You need to look from a different source.

I advise you to read the life of the prophet, I mean the whole book from an Islamic source, not bits of it. I hope you do this and than read from Islamic sources how a true muslim should be.

By your post, you are not defining Islam, you are defining terrorism, and terrorism is not Islam.

Thanks for the advice.

There are very many muslims out there who are very peaceful, loving and caring. I believe they are good because they are good by their nature and not because of their religion. (And there are such people in all religions).
I have read some part of Quran / Hadiths - (yes bits of it, and one or two sentences above and below those concerned bits, English version), there are acts done by prophet Mohammed which i can't agree with. There are sentences in Quran with which i disagree. (not just for Quran, every religious books has such sentences) and i don't think these are just misunderstandings.

what i believe is this :- if it is God who made us, then he has given his message to us, we were born with it. I believe our moral, the sense of being /doing right - is our god sent message. it is personal, individually tailored message for you and me.

I have a request to make here - if you are someone from a place were freedom of speech is restricted because of state laws, please do keep out of trouble. need not or answer me.

 

[morphesium]

You are absolutely right, kind Sir.

so are you.

Even in Islam, such preparations as the one I explained in the verse, is not for common civil peaceful people like yourself and me. It is for the ones in charge and the officials, and even the defensive party responsible for the safety of the people under them only. I too don't have any kind of weapons nor any single person in my family or the people around me, except those part of the force carrying their tools as part of their duty and it is never loaded (now they retired and there was only two of them). Carrying weapons is actually not allowed here without heavy official documentations under very strict rules. I believe in USA the restrictions aren't that serious, but that's another story.

Also, sometimes, if not most of the time, going down fighting even with the high possibility of being overtaken by the enemy, gives one that hope and feeling strong of doing what they have to do to protect themselves and the ones they love. If one day I feel that an evil force like I S I S is penetrating the defense lines of my country causing the possibility to reach me and my loved ones, I'd consider preparing myself with the weapons I could need to do that. Something I hope never happens to me or to other peaceful people such as yourself. Even secular communities came up with the saying "desperate times call for desperate measures." The desperate measure here for me is following the verse as a civilian. There is also that funny saying "over my dead body"

Life is ugly as much as it is beautiful. We need to live peacefully, yet be prepared for anything when we feel could happen.

Often these evil forces attack unsuspecting villages, communities and most vulnerable places. that is what i am upset about. anyway, i agree with you here. and i agree with this quran verse

واعدوا لهم ما استطتم من قوة ورباط الخيل ترهبون به عدو الله وعدوكم

we should prepare ourselves against the enemy, whoever they are."

 

[psychoslice]

If Islam is bad, nobody has read the Old Testament/Tanakh

I certainly agree with that, but the thing is most people don't do those horrible things no more, they belong in the backward thinking past.

 

[Toxikmynd]

I certainly agree with that, but the thing is most people don't do those horrible things no more, they belong in the backward thinking past.

Why follow a religion if you don't follow what it's book commands?

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

You know Arabic. This verse clearly means that we should prepare ourselves against the enemy, whoever they are. Isn't this what every single country in this world is doing now? Or is it bad because the Quran says it but it is okay because the countries do it to be ready to protect their people? You know also that the purpose here is not to terrorize, but to have a power feared to tamper with by the enemy. "Prepare" is the key word here, not terrorize. Take it easy bro. Or are you happy for the victims of I S I S (I apologize for this harsh example, but I need to convey my point clearly)? If those victims prepared the power and followed the verse, they might have had a chance against the lowlife I S I S. At least to protect themselves, not to push them back. Life is not perfect. You must balance yourself.

1 - Yes, I speak Arabic well -
I know this verse well -
This verse especially for the Muslims only
For the word of the enemy of Allah and your enemy ????
Who is the enemy of God ??
2. This verse encourages people to arms ??
Great nations have arsenals of weapons ??
But humanitarian want to get rid of them ??
3. Does God calls human arms ??
4. You talk about Daash ??
5. Daash venom sent to a group of Iraqi Christian population does not believe in fighting and why religious superiors
6. The balance of power is not in favor of Iraqi Christians

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Um, forgive my ignorance, but I don't get your point. I word-played what Treks said in her post:

You need to loosen up a little bro. Life is not just about delivering attacks at others. Try to be friendly to people from time to time instead of being 100% in the offensive. That post of mine above was clearly a joke!

I'm not your enemy. Please consider taking my advices from time to time. I care for you.

You are here my friend and my brother
Because we are talking full freedom
I offer you the love of Christ ?
But I asked you questions?
Islam is one of the books ??
In some cases, some of my words are not accurate linguistically
This does not mean Send comments mocking ??

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

to -smart -gay
This from the Koran which illustrate
Written fighting for a Muslim ??
Read the verse well
Incite the believers to fight ??
Read the verse well ??
You mean if you supreme victors
There are many other verses proving terrorism in Islam
And that the force is not required to defend it is offensive
1-We will take in the hearts of those who disbelieve Horror been involved, including what God did not come down with authority and shelter fire and evil oppressors lodgement
2-We will take in the hearts of those who disbelieve Horror been involved, including what God did not come down with authority and shelter fire and evil oppressors lodgement
3-Verse: { Faint not nor grieve, you also incline if you are believers } ( Al-Imran: 139)
4-God the Almighty says : { books you dislike it , and it may be that you dislike a thing which is good for you , and that ye love a thing which is bad for you , and Allah knows and you do not know } [1]

 

[Smart_Guy]

You are here my friend and my brother
Because we are talking full freedom
I offer you the love of Christ ?
But I asked you questions?
Islam is one of the books ??
In some cases, some of my words are not accurate linguistically
This does not mean Send comments mocking ??

Brother, you say you understand English well too. How is my post mocking here? Please focus, I beg of you. We had so many conversations and you keep misunderstanding. Please don't just throw such claims on me!

I beg of you!

Edit:

I can't discuss anything any more with you if you keep misunderstanding my simplified English!

 

[Smart_Guy]

to -smart -gay

For the tenth time, I'm not gay
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Just kidding. I know it was a typo

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

I certainly agree with that, but the thing is most people don't do those horrible things no more, they belong in the backward thinking past.

You are a man learned the teachings of peace and love
But the Muslim learns these teachings
But this is believed by
And when he could be transferred to convey life because he is locked out
Do you know the difference between a peaceful teachings and precepts of war ????
Here we discuss this Qur'an, education ??

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Brother, you say you understand English well too. How is my post mocking here? Please focus, I beg of you. We had so many conversations and you keep misunderstanding. Please don't just throw such claims on me!

I beg of you!

Edit:

I can't discuss anything any more with you if you keep misunderstanding my simplified English!

do not know you --o not only the love between us as I know -

This is a forum where various schools dialogue

I am writing to spread Islamic knowledge ?
What is the harm in that ?

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Why follow a religion if you don't follow what it's book commands?

This is a wonderful question
I show you something important
That in Islam, using
Altkaah
It is from the teachings of Islam

 

[Kirran]

Man, things are intense around here.

But on Islam: why need a Muslim follow every single thing said in the Qur'an? Even accepting its infallibility, which not all Muslims do, it was written in order to improve a very particular society in a very particular situation, which is by no means all applicable now. The parts focusing on love, compassion, all that stuff, may well be the most appropriate to focus on now, whereas perhaps when the early Muslim community was embroiled in wars they wouldn't have been as much, as they needed to defend themselves etc.

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

I certainly agree with that, but the thing is most people don't do those horrible things no more, they belong in the backward thinking past.

It continues to do
Because Muslims believe that the Koran is the book came from the sky
And that the Koran is a copy of the saved the board in the sky
And the Koran in favor of every time and place
And that Islamic law is better than the previous and present all the laws of humanity

 

[Kirran]

It continues to do
Because Muslims believe that the Koran is the book came from the sky
And that the Koran is a copy of the saved the board in the sky
And the Koran in favor of every time and place
And that Islamic law is better than the previous and present all the laws of humanity

But the vast majority of Muslims aren't out there butchering and massacring. @Smart_Guy spends far too much time here on RF to be able to fit that in

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Man, things are intense around here.

But on Islam: why need a Muslim follow every single thing said in the Qur'an? Even accepting its infallibility, which not all Muslims do, it was written in order to improve a very particular society in a very particular situation, which is by no means all applicable now. The parts focusing on love, compassion, all that stuff, may well be the most appropriate to focus on now, whereas perhaps when the early Muslim community was embroiled in wars they wouldn't have been as much, as they needed to defend themselves etc.

This is a very difficult ---
When a Muslim thinks and says that the Koran is not from the board and he saved a book written by Mohamed
While it may be to say that Islam is a historical ideology
But with the Muslim faith and the desire to establish an Islamic -based systems on the Koran
It means that this Islamic Thought present
To this must be the dissemination of knowledge about good

 

[Smart_Guy]

@Kirran

You forgot playing video games, listening to music, watching anime, fishing, flirting with RF girls, playing video games... etc.

No time for jihad haha

 

[Kirran]

This is a very difficult ---
When a Muslim thinks and says that the Koran is not from the board and he saved a book written by Mohamed
While it may be to say that Islam is a historical ideology
But with the Muslim faith and the desire to establish an Islamic -based systems on the Koran
It means that this Islamic Thought present
To this must be the dissemination of knowledge about good

What do you mean by the board?

@Kirran

You forgot playing video games, listening to music, watching anime, fishing, flirting with RF girls, playing video games... etc.

No time for jihad haha

'Yo Smart_Guy, we're gonna go harass the unbelievers, you wanna come?' 'Nah man, maybe tomorrow, I've gotta finish this level.' This is life in Saudi Arabia :nods:

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

But the vast majority of Muslims aren't out there butchering and massacring. @Smart_Guy spends far too much time here on RF to be able to fit that in

Yes --las every Muslim who uses a knife to human slaughter
Do you know why ??
I explain to you Islam ??
1 - Jihad in Islam types ??
And best jihad for the sake of God? Any fighting and slaughter
2 - There are a billion Muslims , as they say
But among the billion Muslims there are a million Muslims believe the Koran on the way al-Qaeda and the Wahhabi and Daash and other Islamic organizations other in Indonesia, Nigeria , the Philippines, China and the Caucasus
This theory of mathematics -
Out of every ten thousand Muslims there are terrorists
You calculate the total number
I was talking with a friend Christian
From an Arab country
He said the following words
( In the heart of every Muslim a small Daash )
Found that this space will grow quickly and grow up
3. The problem is not in the human
But the problem is from the teachings of the Koran ?
4. When a child's education that the Jewish and Christian infidel and libertine
The child will grow along with these ideas that move the subconscious mind
When a terrorist -fed growing rapidly and produces the model of Osama bin Laden or Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
Even the Islamic model and their example of the Prophet Mohammed, who slaughtered 500 as he watched this historic tragedy

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

What do you mean by the board?

The Koran is the original copy of the saved in heaven with God
This idea of Islamic fixed ??
That's the word of the Koran fixed ??
Does not change ? J
Saleh in every time and every place