Why be muslim?

[Gharib]

There is no faith that predates Islam. We do not believe or accept that there was something else prior to Islam and that it was invented after. We believe Prophet Adam, the first human on earth was sent upon the Islamic monotheism of today and called his family to worship Allah. This is going back at least some couple of hundred thousand years ago.

Each nation/tribe was sent a Prophet, who all called their people upon the Islamic monotheism and had very similar practices as we do. He sent Ishmael to the Arabs and stopped sending Prophets to them until Muhammed came with the final message which was for all of humanity unlike the message of previous Prophets which was for a particular tribe or nation. In between Ishmael and Muhammed, Allah sent Prophet after Prophet to the descendants of Abraham's second child, Isaac who are the Jews.

 

[gsa]

As far as I am concerned, Islam is an accident of birth, much like Christianity. I can't see any rational reason that people would be drawn to either.

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

Well i believe jews broke the covenant, and christians left the pure monotheistic path, worshipping the creation instead of the Creator. So the truth was restored when Allah sent to us prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him & his family).


1. Alif-Lam-Ra. [These letters are one of the miracles of the Qur'an and none but Allah (Alone) knows their meanings].

(This is) a Book, the Verses whereof are perfected (in every sphere of knowledge, etc.), and then explained in detail from One (Allah), Who is All-Wise and Well-Acquainted (with all things).

2. (Saying) worship none but Allah. Verily, I (Muhammad

) am unto you from Him a warner and a bringer of glad tidings.

3. And (commanding you): "Seek the forgiveness of your Lord, and turn to Him in repentance, that He may grant you good enjoyment, for a term appointed, and bestow His abounding Grace to every owner of grace. But if you turn away, then I fear for you the torment of a Great Day (i.e. the Day of Resurrection).

4. To Allah is your return, and He is Able to do all things."


We believe Islam existed since Adam and continued to existed with the arrival of prophet Muhammad pbuh.
When prophet Jesus pbuh was saved from the complot, there came a period of darkness. His message of pure monotheism was persecuated(ebionites, arianism followers were killed because they rejected "divinity" of prophet Jesus pbuh, a lie by Nicene Romans). The earth was covered in darkness and only few people followed guidance.
Then Allah sent last prophet to restore the true religion of Abraham, Moses, Jesus and all prophets. And this Pure religion In worshipping the Creator and believing in all prophets stays aslong Allah wills that it stays.

 

[LuisDantas]

There is no faith that predates Islam. We do not believe or accept that there was something else prior to Islam and that it was invented after. We believe Prophet Adam, the first human on earth was sent upon the Islamic monotheism of today and called his family to worship Allah. This is going back at least some couple of hundred thousand years ago.

Each nation/tribe was sent a Prophet, who all called their people upon the Islamic monotheism and had very similar practices as we do. He sent Ishmael to the Arabs and stopped sending Prophets to them until Muhammed came with the final message which was for all of humanity unlike the message of previous Prophets which was for a particular tribe or nation. In between Ishmael and Muhammed, Allah sent Prophet after Prophet to the descendants of Abraham's second child, Isaac who are the Jews.

That sure looks straightforward in a certain way: Islam, according to this view (which I will call Orthodox for lack of a better word) is not simply the last and more complete of the Abrahamic Traditions, but pretty much the only true religion, the only one that acknowledges the One True God and does not get off the rails while trying to pay its respects to Him. It even starts with the very first human being and is supposed to be present at birth or even before.

Very dangerous and very unconvincing far as I am concerned, but there is certainly a determined pattern to it.

I wonder what percentage of Muslims literally believes or at least claims in the more eccentric claims of the doctrine, such as that babies are born Muslim; that Adam existed and was a Muslim; or that Allah exists literally.

 

[Toxikmynd]

I believe Islam is the most truthful Abrahamic religion in terms of how it was originally. Islamic beliefs are nice as well. Yet if everyone was born muslim & all the original humans were muslim, its hard to believe that all these other faiths could have even sprung up.

 

[Kirran]

I believe Islam is the most truthful Abrahamic religion in terms of how it was originally. Islamic beliefs are nice as well. Yet if everyone was born muslim & all the original humans were muslim, its hard to believe that all these other faiths could have even sprung up.

Maybe the Shaitan's doing? Not sure.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Maybe the Shaitan's doing? Not sure.

He also must've hid all the evidence for this primordial Islam because there's no evidence of monotheism in human religion before Akhenaten's failed bid to revise Egyptian religion in the 2nd century BCE (and it's iffy if he was actually going for monotheism as we know it; it was mostly a power struggle between the priesthood and him).

So basically, Muslims made all that up to give themselves an air of authenticity.

 

[Kirran]

He also must've hid all the evidence for this primordial Islam because there's no evidence of monotheism in human religion before Akhenaten's failed bid to revise Egyptian religion in the 2nd century BCE (and it's iffy if he was actually going for monotheism as we know it; it was mostly a power struggle between the priesthood and him).

So basically, Muslims made all that up to give themselves an air of authenticity.

We can't prove anything either way. So we don't know.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

We can't prove anything either way. So we don't know.

Er, we can be pretty sure that monotheism is a very late human innovation in religion and that Islam makes up a lot of nonsense to give itself a better footing in its argument for itself.

 

[Kirran]

Er, we can be pretty sure that monotheism is a very late human innovation in religion and that Islam makes up a lot of nonsense to give itself a better footing in its argument for itself.

How can we PROVE that there were NO monotheists before Akenhaten, or even before the Neolithic? I don't believe we can. So taking it on faith that there were, because God's word says so, can't be contradicted. Well, it can, but I don't think there's a lot of footing for it.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

How can we PROVE that there were NO monotheists before Akenhaten, or even before the Neolithic? I don't believe we can. So taking it on faith that there were, because God's word says so, can't be contradicted. Well, it can, but I don't think there's a lot of footing for it.

It's up to them to provide proof for their statements.

 

[Kirran]

It's up to them to provide proof for their statements.

The Qur'an is enough proof for them. Who cares if non-Muslims believe it?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

The Qur'an is enough proof for them. Who cares if non-Muslims believe it?

The problem is that they aggressively want everyone else to believe it. I don't particularly care what people believe unless it negatively impacts others.

 

[Kirran]

The problem is that they aggressively want everyone else to believe it. I don't particularly care what people believe unless it negatively impacts others.

'They' being all Muslims, who are an entirely monolithic group?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

'They' being all Muslims, who are an entirely monolithic group?

Of course, not "all".

 

[Kirran]

Of course, not "all".

So there are some particularly aggressive proselytisers within Islam who would have people accept this detail absolutely. Most proselytisers would, I imagine, merely hope to spread knowledge of Islam as much as possible, along their interpretations. Many more Muslims would not even proselytise. So we've got a mixed bag here.

 

[LuisDantas]

The Qur'an is enough proof for them. Who cares if non-Muslims believe it?

Those who hope to avoid a lot of stressful confrontations?

 

[Kirran]

Those who hope to avoid a lot of stressful confrontations?

I'm afraid I don't get this.

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

Er, we can be pretty sure that monotheism is a very late human innovation in religion and that Islam makes up a lot of nonsense to give itself a better footing in its argument for itself.

Well that was nonsense.
No human can claim to possess to know what ancient people at the time of Adam/Noah and after them believed.
This knowledge is passed down by Allah the knower the seen and the unseen.
For humans this is part of the unseen.
Only pure speculations.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Well that was nonsense.
No human can claim to possess to know what ancient people at the time of Adam/Noah and after them believed.
This knowledge is passed down by Allah the knower the seen and the unseen.
For humans this is part of the unseen.
Only pure speculations.

Adam and Noah are mythical.