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Why be muslim?

Jumi

Well-Known Member
Just to clarify, in the verse that you bolded, it is talking about the people who denied the truth about the prophets and about God even though they knew that it was the truth. They tried to decieve people from the right path.
How do you know it's the truth?
 

Sabour

Well-Known Member
How do you know it's the truth?

Thank you for asking that.

First let me tell you that there is no way to know that. Truth should be verified no matter what approach you choose.

In science normally, you prove something right by trying to prove that it is wrong. If you fail to prove it wrong in any way than it is correct.Some scientists used to state their theory and than state a way in order to verify it. Quraan is filled with this kind of stuff.

I would advise one to read the Quraan and start his search from there.

For me, I believe that God exists, that is without any doubt. I started from there and than all roads lead me to Islam.

I am not a convert, I was born a muslim. But I wasn't a practicing muslim till I knew it is the truth.

The reason I know it is the truth is that Islam answers all the questions that run through in our minds with no contradiction.

Knowing the truth is not just something you hear, it is also something you feel. Don't expect anyone to give you an answer or fully convey to you his experience. Every person would have his own unique way to find the truth. That is of course if it is the truth
 

Jumi

Well-Known Member
Thank you for asking that.
Thank you for answering. :)

First let me tell you that there is no way to know that. Truth should be verified no matter what approach you choose.
Here we are agreed.


In science normally, you prove something right by trying to prove that it is wrong. If you fail to prove it wrong in any way than it is correct.Some scientists used to state their theory and than state a way in order to verify it. Quraan is filled with this kind of stuff.
Well not exactly. In science things are not taken to be true if they can't be disproven. Otherwise the truth would be contradictory.

The reason I know it is the truth is that Islam answers all the questions that run through in our minds with no contradiction.
I can accept that you believe this, but there are people who think the same about the Bible, Vedas, Torah or many other books or traditions.

Knowing the truth is not just something you hear, it is also something you feel. Don't expect anyone to give you an answer or fully convey to you his experience. Every person would have his own unique way to find the truth. That is of course if it is the truth
But how do you know your feeling is true? I don't trust all my experience either.
 

Toxikmynd

Demir
What I am saying is that Islam is a complete way of life

So is Sikhism though, so is Jainism or Buddhism, there are plenty of religions that are a complete way of life..? I don't see how stating Islam as a way of life has anything to do with this conversation.
 

Treks

Well-Known Member
Islam is a complete way of life due to it's religious and thorough legal system which is still adhered to. Do Jewish communities live by and enforce the laws of the Torah? Do Christian communities live by and enforce the laws of the Bible? I don't think dharmic religions provide 'completeness' in quite the same way as the Abrahamic ones do - not at all implying superiority of one over the other.

I look at Muslim countries where the completeness of Islam is a front and centre and determine that a secular way of life is preferable, by far.
 

Sabour

Well-Known Member
I can accept that you believe this, but there are people who think the same about the Bible, Vedas, Torah or many other books or traditions.

So the real question stands of whether this is true or not. I say take your time to verify.

But how do you know your feeling is true? I don't trust all my experience either.

You will know it when you live it. Trust God before you trust yourself. Be sincere and than begin searching.

Things should be approached one step at a time.
 

Sabour

Well-Known Member
So is Sikhism though, so is Jainism or Buddhism, there are plenty of religions that are a complete way of life..? I don't see how stating Islam as a way of life has anything to do with this conversation.

My point here was that if one should judge Islam, one has to talk about the whole package. That is why I mentioned that.
 

Sabour

Well-Known Member
Islam is a complete way of life due to it's religious and thorough legal system which is still adhered to. Do Jewish communities live by and enforce the laws of the Torah? Do Christian communities live by and enforce the laws of the Bible? I don't think dharmic religions provide 'completeness' in quite the same way as the Abrahamic ones do - not at all implying superiority of one over the other.

I look at Muslim countries where the completeness of Islam is a front and centre and determine that a secular way of life is preferable, by far.

I just wanted to mention that there is no Muslim country,

Regards
 

Treks

Well-Known Member
I just wanted to mention that there is no Muslim country,

Regards

Really? This is a gap in my knowledge then, or perhaps incorrect terminology.

What I meant by saying 'Muslim country' is a country with a Muslim majority and Sharia-dominant or Sharia-heavy legal system, like Iran or Afghanistan.
 

Sabour

Well-Known Member
People say this until a Muslim-majority nation is invaded...then it's a Muslim country and an attack on Islam.

When I said there is no muslim country I meant that there is no country ruling according to the teaching of Islam or shariah.

When a muslim majority nation is invaded than it is referred to as a muslim country to state that muslims are the ones targeted.
 

Sabour

Well-Known Member
Really? This is a gap in my knowledge then, or perhaps incorrect terminology.

What I meant by saying 'Muslim country' is a country with a Muslim majority and Sharia-dominant or Sharia-heavy legal system, like Iran or Afghanistan.

Actually my objection was on the shariah part. There isn't a country which rules according to shariah although many claim they do.

Studies show that actually some European countries are closer to shariah laws that the so called "muslim countries".

The biggest misunderstanding here is that people think shariah only refers to the punishments imposed on people like cutting the hand and these stuff, however these are trivial things.

If you are interested here is an article about that.

http://www.ahmad-juhaidi.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/how-islamic-islamic-countries.pdf

If you don't have time just look at the ranking at the end.
 

Treks

Well-Known Member
Thanks One-Answer, I'll have a closer look at the PDF. I did just skip to the rankings at the end, and read the conclusion. I think I'll start another thread on this topic - it's fascinating.

Many thanks
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
I just don't understand it, I love Islam truthfully, but I mean when there are 40,000 year old religions and brand new ones that claim Muhammad wasn't the last messenger, who's to say they're false?

I don't believe it matters how old a religio is or which one came first. I believe what matters is whether a religion can save you or not.
 

Servant_of_the_One1

Well-Known Member
When a religion employs the (dirty) tactic of threats, it makes me sad, and just gives the impression that it is desperate to pressure people into converting, or holding on to the people it already has with fear of punishment.

I much prefer Rabia Basri's attitude:


I agree with u.

The Creator should be worshipped out of deep love, not out of fear for hellfire because that would sound very selfish.

Allah swt says:

Say, [O Muhammad], "If you should love Allah , then follow me, [so] Allah will love you and forgive you your sins. And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful."
 

mahasn ebn sawresho

Well-Known Member
I agree with u.

The Creator should be worshipped out of deep love, not out of fear for hellfire because that would sound very selfish.

Allah swt says:

Say, [O Muhammad], "If you should love Allah , then follow me, [so] Allah will love you and forgive you your sins. And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful."
Do you speak the truth ??
Muslims worship God , until he receive the nymphs and free sex in heaven ?
But - ?? Z-- you know this ??
Forgiveness of sins through Muhammad ??
Who said these words ?? J
Full remission of sins Islamists is to visit Mecca and kiss the Black Stone
The visit Sanamayn Safa and Marwa
This is Islam ?
Muhammad was unable to provide intercession to his mother ? J
How offers Mvgrh sins you ??
The idea of forgiveness of sins in Islam does not exist ??
Did you forget your visit to hell ??
The Prophet said ( as you descend the orders of the Lord of Hell )
It is a divine judgment ?? This is a fact of Islam
 
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