Why Believe Jesus Never Had Sex?

[nPeace]

I think you mean commensurate.

I’m sure it was your computer’s predictive text....that messes me up a lot.

I thought I was the only one using my On-Screen-Keyboard.

 

[Deeje]

I thought I was the only one using my On-Screen-Keyboard.

Gotta love auto-correct!!! Tell you something funny that happened to me. I messaged my son that "Jesse" (grandson) was coming for dinner...."Jesse" auto-corrected to "Jesus" and I sent it before I noticed.....we cracked up laughing! What a dinner guest!!

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Interesting that you should mention garbage, and “unusable clothing”. FYI, while in the wilderness wandering, “their sandals did not wear out.” — Deuteronomy 29:5.

Just sayin’.

oh. WELL. Pardon Me! I did not realize that MAGIC would be involved.

That "explains" everything: Bible-god just MAGICKED everything away.

Good to know, mate!

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

I think you mean commensurate.

I’m sure it was your computer’s predictive text....that messes me up a lot.

No... I used the word I meant to use "empathy with" as opposed to your word "appropriate with respect to".

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

http://www.2001translation.com/Authenticity.htm#_4

Ummm... an anomous Jesus Website isn't useful for anything but Preaching To The Choir.

Now... if you'd linked to, say a University site, perhaps a nice Jewish one? you MIGHT have had a valid point.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

So... Yale University (regardless of whether he wrote about Jesus) as a dating point which says that they were written before the end of the first century, fulfilling all the requirements that you asked for wasn't enough.


I REST MY CASE!

Nothing will ever suffice (contrary to what you said)

PS - I loved the bean statement

Have a great day... signing off of this line of discussion

No-- what I asked for was documents written DURING JESUS SUPPOSED LIFE-TIME.

Not 5 or 6 generations too late.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

"Justice must be commiserate with the crime."
What do you mean? Do you mean like, "I'm not going to chop off your head, because you didn't cut anyone's head off. you only stabbed them to death." Is that what you mean? Just asking to be sure.

Um... but I said nothing about hell.

You did not need to mention hell-- it's implicit in your use if the bible.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

"Justice must be commiserate with the crime."
What do you mean? Do you mean like, "I'm not going to chop off your head, because you didn't cut anyone's head off. you only stabbed them to death." Is that what you mean? Just asking to be sure.

Um... but I said nothing about hell.

I think you mean commensurate.

I’m sure it was your computer’s predictive text....that messes me up a lot.

You are correct, in review-- I used the wrong word. *sigh*

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Yes. I find this is common with atheist, and skeptics, on these forums. Something that is generally considered unfair, and a closed-minded approach.

However, I think everyone has their own choices to make, and if some choose to close their eyes, and clasp their ears, and sing "La La La." That's their privilege.
I certainly have that privilege as well.

The reason I gave you the link was to show the source of the fossil, and hope you did your own research into it.
Although dated 110 million years ago, it is considered a fraud.
Perhaps you might more like these non-creationist links then...

An Alleged Cretaceous Finger
A Topical Summary of the Paluxy "Man Track" Controversy
Paluxy Man — The Creationist Piltdown

Then we have the ones that are still being considered... baffling - to say the least.

This 290-million-year-old human footprint has experts baffled
The Zapata Track
In 1987 paleontologist Jerry MacDonald discovered a number of fossilized tracks from many different species of animals and birds in a Permian strata dated at 290 to 248 million years ago. Among the tracks were prints of a human foot.

500 Million-Year-Old Human Footprint Fossil Baffles Scientists
...found a fossilized human footprint about the size of a US 13 shoe (3.5″W x 10.25″L) stepping on a trilobite. Now, trilobites only existed between 260 to 600 million years ago, so this makes it the oldest human fossil footprint ever discovered!

Trilobites were small marine invertebrates related to crabs and shrimps. Scientists currently think humans emerged 1 or 2 million years ago and only began wearing such shoes a few thousand years ago.
This archaeological discovery could be sufficient to overturn all conventionally accepted ideas of human and geological evolution.

Another astonishing trilobite fossil discovery was made in Antelope Spring, Arizona on July 20, 1968 by Dr. Clifford Burdick, a consulting geologist from Tucson, Arizona. He found an impression of a child’s foot in a bed of shale.

SIX MILLION-YEAR-OLD HUMAN FOOTPRINT DISCOVERED IN CRETE RAISES MAJOR QUESTIONS ABOUT OUR EVOLUTION
THESE 550-MILLION-YEAR-OLD FOOTPRINTS COULD BE THE OLDEST EVER DISCOVERED
Scientists discover 'oldest footprints on Earth' in southern China dating back 550 million year
Fossil footprints challenge established theories of human evolution
600 Million-year-old Humanoid fossils found in Antarctica
The most puzzling thing about these fossils, however, is that they predate the dinosaurs, hundreds of millions of years before anything resembling hominids first appeared. The two near perfectly preserved skeletons are thought to be 600 million years old. Older than any previously discovered vertebrates. Older than any land-living organism yet discovered in the fossil record. Much older than anything even resembling a creature complex enough to be a biped.

Tiny, 540-Million-Year-Old Human Ancestor Didn't Have an Anus
A speck-size creature without an anus is the oldest known prehistoric ancestor of humans, a new study finds.
Oldest known lizard fossil pushes group’s origins back 75 million years
Prehistoric teeth fossils dating back 9.7 million years 'could rewrite human history'
The dental remains were found by scientists sifting through gravel and sand in a former bed of the Rhine river near the town of Eppelsheim.
They resemble those belonging to “Lucy”, a 3.2 million-year-old skeleton of an extinct primate related to humans and found in Ethiopia.
However, they do not resemble those of any other species found in Europe or Asia.

Scientists were so confused by the find they held off from publishing their research for the past year, Deutsche Welle reports.
Herbert Lutz, director at the Mainz Natural History Museum and head of the research team, told local media: "They are clearly ape teeth. Their characteristics resemble African finds that are four to five million years younger than the fossils excavated in Eppelsheim.

“This is a tremendous stroke of luck, but also a great mystery."
At a press conference announcing the discovery, the mayor of Mainz suggested the find could force scientists to reassess the history of early humans.

The London Hammer (also known as the "London Artifact") is a name given to a hammer made of iron and wood that was found in London, Texas in 1936. Part of the hammer is embedded in a limy rock concretion, leading to it being regarded by some as an anomalous artifact, asking how an obviously man-made tool could come to be encased in a 400 million year old rock. It has been stated that carbon dating "showed inconclusive dates ranging from the present to 700 years ago."

... and the ones called fake being accepted as real.

'Fake' fossil is actually 189 million-year-old remains of undiscovered species
For 30 years, an overlooked dinosaur fossil at the Doncaster Museum and Art Gallery in Doncaster, U.K. was believed to be a plastic replica of an ichthyosaur, a prehistoric aquatic reptile. Thanks to the work of one young paleontologist, not only was the fossil found to be real, but it is the 189 million-year-old remains of a previously unknown species of the ancient reptile.
Dinosaur fossil thought to be fake for 30 years turns out to be 189 million-year-old undiscovered species - NY Daily News

... and the ingenious fakes

Fatal flaw fingers fake fossil fly
The unique and almost perfect specimen of Fannia scalaris – the latrine
fly – is preserved in amber and was thought to have originated from the
Baltic region some 38 million years ago.


As my sister said, time will tell.
As it remains, what you are applying to Christians seems very much to apply you - you have nothing.
Moreover, what you imagine you have appears to be nothing more than dreams, hope, and beliefs.

So what? You have ONE FOSSIL out of millions that was fraud?

WHO FOUND OUT IT WAS FRAUD???

IT WAS NOT CREATIONISTS! It was actual SCIENTISTS.

Unlike the ugly bible?

ONE BAD FOSSIL DOES NOT RUIN THE WHOLE THEORY.

However-- one bad moral DOES ruin a book claiming to be both moral and of god.

A REAL god would do better.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

oh. WELL. Pardon Me! I did not realize that MAGIC would be involved.

That "explains" everything: Bible-god just MAGICKED everything away.

Good to know, mate!

You did not realize that Jehovah God used His power to help His people during their 40 year wandering? You think His power ended at the Red Sea, or something? You've never heard of the manna, or the cloud by day and fire by night? Or the quail? Yeah, He looked after them....you didn't know that?

Sounds like you haven't read it. Maybe you should, so you can comment with confidence.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

oh. WELL. Pardon Me! I did not realize that MAGIC would be involved.

That "explains" everything: Bible-god just MAGICKED everything away.

Good to know, mate!

You did not realize that Jehovah God used His power to help His people during their 40 year wandering? You think His power ended at the Red Sea, or something? You've never heard of the manna, or the cloud by day and fire by night? Or the quail? Yeah, He looked after them....you didn't know that?

Sounds like you haven't read it. Maybe you should, so you can comment with confidence.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

I can and have provided evidence.

No. You haven't even tried, actually.... sad.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

You did not realize that Jehovah God used His power to help His people during their 40 year wandering? You think His power ended at the Red Sea, or something? You've never heard of the manna, or the cloud by day and fire by night? Or the quail? Yeah, He looked after them....you didn't know that?

Sounds like you haven't read it. Maybe you should, so you can comment with confidence.

Here's the thing-- if this "god" was going to use MAGIC?

WHY NOT JUST KILL OUTRIGHT PHARAOH IN THE FIRST PLACE?

Why not just magically transport the whole tribe into the Promised Land in one swoosh?

I mean-- if Star Trek can do that, why not this Magic God?

Too much to ask?

Yeah.... what else from a god who gets all worn out after a mere 6 days...

 

[Hockeycowboy]

You are correct, in review-- I used the wrong word. *sigh*

No problem. Happens to all of us!

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Sounds like you haven't read it. Maybe you should, so you can comment with confidence.

I've read Exodus multiple times-- the hundreds of times I started reading the entire bible, in fact.

I foolishly began with Genesis, and typically made it well into the "minor prophets" before giving up.

Eventually? I did read the whole ugly thing-- how else do you think I became an atheist?

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Here's the thing-- if this "god" was going to use MAGIC?

WHY NOT JUST KILL OUTRIGHT PHARAOH IN THE FIRST PLACE?

Why not just magically transport the whole tribe into the Promised Land in one swoosh?

I mean-- if Star Trek can do that, why not this Magic God?

Too much to ask?

Yeah.... what else from a god who gets all worn out after a mere 6 days...

Those are good questions, actually.
Jehovah wanted them (his people) to grow in their faith of Him, and then to show their faith by obeying Him.
The account says that a "vast mixed company" left Egypt with the Israelites, apparently other Egyptians.

Most of those plagues were outright attacks against their Egyptian gods....yes, they even had a frog God!

In Exodus 7, which details when Moses first confronted Pharaoh, remember when Moses threw his staff down, and it became a snake? Pharaoh's magic-practicing priests, i.e., his religious leaders, threw their staffs down, and they became snakes! But then, Moses' "snake" ate up theirs.

The account is telling us that there were real, invisible spirit forces backing Pharaoh's religious leaders...but they weren't as powerful as Moses' God.

Those forces are still around today, trying their best to keep people from searching for the True God, Jehovah.
And the Bible tells us.

I guess you don't believe there could be intelligent life, that's invisible to us?

 

[Kenny]

No-- what I asked for was documents written DURING JESUS SUPPOSED LIFE-TIME.

Not 5 or 6 generations too late.

moving the goal post = those letters are from those who did live during Jesus' lifetime

"Yet you cannot point to a secular, or even a University source? And all I'm doing is pointing directly to the bible itself-- only without cherry-picking or pretending the words don't mean what is actually written..."

You said it was written 5 generations later and I gave a secular source that it was written within the first century.

 

[sojourner]

Other than the Bible doesn't mention whether or not Jesus had sex in his life, why believe he never did? Would that somehow have tainted him?

He wasn’t a Gentile; he couldn’t use Trojans.

 

[nPeace]

So what? You have ONE FOSSIL out of millions that was fraud?

WHO FOUND OUT IT WAS FRAUD???

IT WAS NOT CREATIONISTS! It was actual SCIENTISTS.

Unlike the ugly bible?

ONE BAD FOSSIL DOES NOT RUIN THE WHOLE THEORY.

However-- one bad moral DOES ruin a book claiming to be both moral and of god.

A REAL god would do better.

Seems like you only read one piece of the post. That wouldn't surprise me if that's the case.

There are a lot of discrepancies with the dates for fossil evidence.
Still there are problems identifying fakes and frauds, and even identifying what's real.
Problems galore.

 

[nPeace]

No. You haven't even tried, actually.... sad.

That's an inaccurate statement - quite far from the truth actually.

Evidence was given here, here, here, here, here, and here, and many other places, I am sure. Evidence that is solid too.