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Why can't Evol just admit to Design?

dust1n

dust1n

Zindīq
ttechsan said:
Actually Satan was originally an Angel. He was the top angel. God allowed and wanted the angels to choose who to follow. Satan as now called or Lucifer rebelled against God and 1/3 of the angels rebelled with God and were cast out of heaven and are now demons. So yes God had the Angels decide who they would follow also.
Now to bed I go.
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So, God designed Satan, and Satan apparently gave me a disease. How did God not see that one coming?
 
dust1n

dust1n

Zindīq
Revoltingest said:
It's related to the Argument-To-Incredulity, which also is known as "Science Is Hard!".

Gawd...someone slap me!
I'm such a b**ch!
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My personal favorite part of science. I think it's well known to all scientists that what's important is making the universe fit into our minds as easily as possible.
 
Ouroboros

Ouroboros

Coincidentia oppositorum
ttechsan said:
It is so obvious in everything we see in creation. It boggles my mind and the illogic like I explained in other thread. See the only reason not to admit the obvious is that there is an obvious agenda at play here. It certainly is NOT SCIENCE!
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You didn't get the answers you wanted or approve of, therefore you started a new thread about the same question?
 
AndromedaRXJ

AndromedaRXJ

Active Member
ttechsan said:
Apologetics Press - Atheists Admit Things Look Designed
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Yeah, I have no problem admitting things look designed.

I also have no problem admitting the Earth looks flat from the surface. However, judging things just by how they look would never get us very far.

Revoltingest said:
It's related to the Argument-To-Incredulity, which also is known as "Science Is Hard!".

Gawd...someone slap me!
I'm such a b**ch!
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My personal favorite is the If-A-Scientists-Doesn't-Accept-Theory-X-That-Happens-To-Conflict-With-My-Belief-It-Proves-Theory-X-Wrong-And-My-Belief-Right-Screw-All-Other-Scientists method.

Wow that was a mouth full.
 
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Sunstone

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
ttechsan said:
It is so obvious in everything we see in creation. It boggles my mind and the illogic like I explained in other thread. See the only reason not to admit the obvious is that there is an obvious agenda at play here. It certainly is NOT SCIENCE!

Apologetics Press - Atheists Admit Things Look Designed

It certainly isn't objectivity. Because otherwise it would have to be admitted to. Just like I asked in my other thread. Still no one has been able to logically convince me what we so obviously see is Design, Engineering. Programming etc that only the BRAIN of GOD and not a non brain of some random (non organized) non thinking force could produce what we see in nature. That my friends in not Common Sense it is absolutely NON SENSE, ILLOGICAL and UNSCIENTIFIC to ignore the obvious! When I see what I see I have to admit to what I see and esp when it FUNCTIONS like it is DESIGNED ETC to do! & better than even man can do today!
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The reasoning in your post, Ttechsan, reminds me so much of my Three Guiding Principles of Life:

1) Never allow oneself to be exclusively home-schooled.

2) If you can help it, don't use the word "logic" in a sentence until after you have passed your first uni course in logic.

3) At all times and places, try to avoid insisting that something which relies on induction to make its case MUST be the case.
 
lewisnotmiller

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
Sunstone said:
The reasoning in your post, Ttechsan, reminds me so much of my Three Guiding Principles of Life:

1) Never allow oneself to be exclusively home-schooled.

2) If you can help it, don't use the word "logic" in a sentence until after you have passed your first uni course in logic.

3) At all times and places, try to avoid insisting that something which relies on induction to make its case MUST be the case.
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I humbly offer the following fourth principle for consideration;

4) If you discover random use of CAPS LOCK in your posts, you are taking the **** out of yourself. The only decision is whether this is deliberate or accidental in nature.
 
gnostic

gnostic

The Lost One
ttechsan said:
Why can't Evol just admit to Design?
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There are some things called "observations", "evidences" and "rigorous testings".

Can you provide evidences for the existence of this "Designer" or "Creator" or "god"?

Or evidences of how this "Designer" or "Creator" or "god" is involved in the design or creation of nature?

Evidences and testing the evidences is what scientists do before they can draw to conclusion of what exist. The conclusion is not based on or drawn on one person's belief in divine being.

And I am quite sure that have explained this to you that (biological) evolution has nothing to do with the origin of life. Evolution (it's theory) is about explaining the biodiversity of life that already exist and not about the creation or the formation of the FIRST life.

If you are serious about the scientific studies of the origin of life, from inorganic to organic, then you should be looking at abiogenesis.
 
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Big_TJ

Active Member
ttechsan said:
So you on here actually can see a computer program and tell me you can see it and actually tell me you don't see an intelligent brain behind it? Really? But you can look at DNA RNA which is far more complex and tell me no brain did it. Well I tell you you again show so much more faith than I could ever have!
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I have two questions for you ttechsan and I wouldn't mind honest answers:

1) If you leave a big watch and a not so big watch in a remote forest and, after 15 years you return to see 3 watches, what would that evidence tell you?

2) if you leave a man and a woman in a remote forest and, after 15 years, you return to see 3 persons, what would that evidence tell you?
 
Simurgh

Simurgh

Atheist Triple Goddess
ttechsan said:
The remark about Evol so quoted is Darwin made is possible for Atheist to basically be ok. So Evol has the agenda of Atheism from the very beginning.
Atheist Evol to me is real sad. See I reject Evol as bad science. I reject Atheist evol as a Bad Weak God. Because if my God is so Weak and doesn't have the power to just speak into existence things just like He wants it then He really isn't a God to worship. He isn't powerful at all. I couldn't worship that type God at all. I realize that leads to other topics I can handle on the other threads on this board that I am more than able to deal with and will. You may not like or agree. That is fine. Matter of fact that type God is not the type of God strong enough to send His son to save me from my sins on the cross either. I can't straddle that fence nor does the God of the Bible even allow me to. He says He would rather me be Hot or Cold not warm as He will spew those out of His mouth. To me Atheist Evol are warm fence straddlers. Either God did it all at once or there is no God. I see too much Design etc and know there is a God.
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After sorting through this and trying to make sense of it, I am still laughing. This is certainly the funniest thing I have come across today.
I never knew that there is such a thing as atheist evolution, I always thought evolution is just a scientific fact and thereby not bound to such categories as religious/non-religious affiliation. Are secularists allowed to accept evolution as a given? Agnostics, do they have their own version? Is there a gnostic version of evolution? I just want to make sure I got the right kind of evolution, but reserve the right to go for another flavor if that proves to be more beneficial.

Now, am I understanding this right, the only issue you have with evolution and science is that accepting evolution as a scientific given means that your god is not that awe inspiring deity that you want in your corner? Therefore, you just pretend that evolution is some sort of atheist conspiracy and that allows you to believe that the bible is an accurate depiction of your god and whatever he wants for humans.

Sign me up for the atheist evolution then.

…who knows what kind of kool aid they all drink in Texas ...
 
SoulDaemon

SoulDaemon

Member
I just had a thought bare with me, ok. I'll admit evolution has desing or engineering, why?

Because of natural selection, and how atoms sequence and make forms that have mathematical properties.

Ok, still with me. Everything that hasn't learned to survive in nature dies, why?

Nature kills of or doesn't sustain anything that doesn't evolve in changing ecosystems. Through multiple generations animals and plants form various methods of surviving, those which do not die. Hence design or engineering through generations.

Next, lets take diamonds, the atoms are sequenced in matter most fascinating (design), but said that, it's the property of the carbon atoms and the heat and pressure they are molded in.

Diamond's Structural Secrets Revealed | LiveScience

hopefully i got my point trough.
 
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