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Why can't people just leave the Jews alone?

vaguelyhumanoid

Active Member
I'm not into any Abrahamic religions but out of those Judaism seems like the best.

And no, Israeli atrocities absolutely should not be used as an excuse to hate Jews, just like Palestinian atrocities shouldn't be used as an excuse to hate Arabs.
 

LegionOnomaMoi

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Maybe its because some Jews, the majority it seems in Israel, refuse to try to get along with their neighbors.
And that explains the several thousand years of slavery, persecution, discrimination, hatred, etc. Right. The Babylonian exile was the result of Jews not getting along with their neighbors just like the Catholic persecutions or the NAZI genocides. Oh wait, they predated the existence of a Jewish nation.
 

leibowde84

Veteran Member
It seems that all of the problems that plague the Jewish people and all the anti-Semitism stems from the fact that people just can't seem to leave the Jews alone, which appears to be all they wanted in the first place. The Greeks tried to conquer them and erase their religion. Didn't work. The Romans tried it, too. They got kicked out of their land for the most part because of it, but it didn't destroy the Jewish people. The Christians and Muslims tried to conquer them, convert them and erase them, too, but that hasn't worked, either. The Jews remain. They're not giving up their religion or their culture. This is apparently a thorn in the side of many, for various reasons (especially religious ones).

I just don't understand why people can't leave them alone and let them have their land and their Temple. The Jews never really were interested in converting others. They tended to have a "live and let live" approach to their religion and culture. They don't complain about the practices of the other people around them. They just carried on doing their own thing. (I think we could all learn from that rather mature approach to things, honestly.)

I just don't get it.
Don't forget the fact that the Church was spreading anti-semitic sentiments up until the 1960s through their teaching that the Jews were responsible for the death of Jesus.
 

Lyndon

"Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
Premium Member
And that explains the several thousand years of slavery, persecution, discrimination, hatred, etc. Right. The Babylonian exile was the result of Jews not getting along with their neighbors just like the Catholic persecutions or the NAZI genocides. Oh wait, they predated the existence of a Jewish nation.

You would think after all that it would make the Jews sensitive enough to be against discrimination, but no.......
 

leibowde84

Veteran Member
What is your point with this? The Jews did not put Jesus to death, a very specific sect of ancient Judaism did, or that is what scripture seems to say. But, blaming Jews in general for it or even Jews living at that time is just about as stupid as saying that "Muslims, in general, were responsible for 9/11".
 

Lyndon

"Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
Premium Member
Sorry but the Romans had Jesus put to death, I don't think the Jews had much of anything to do with it. Pilate sentenced him, and Roman soldiers crucified him, there weren't any Jewish soldiers at the time.
 

roger1440

I do stuff
What is your point with this? The Jews did not put Jesus to death, a very specific sect of ancient Judaism did, or that is what scripture seems to say. But, blaming Jews in general for it or even Jews living at that time is just about as stupid as saying that "Muslims, in general, were responsible for 9/11".
Did you watch the video?
 

Akivah

Well-Known Member
It seems that all of the problems that plague the Jewish people and all the anti-Semitism stems from the fact that people just can't seem to leave the Jews alone, which appears to be all they wanted in the first place.

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I just don't understand why people can't leave them alone and let them have their land and their Temple. The Jews never really were interested in converting others. They tended to have a "live and let live" approach to their religion and culture. They don't complain about the practices of the other people around them. They just carried on doing their own thing. (I think we could all learn from that rather mature approach to things, honestly.)

I just don't get it.

Anti-semitism is an interesting topic. There doesn't seem to be any parallel of this irrational hatred to any other ethnic group in the world. The best explanation that I found is this:

Before the Torah was given, people built their lives on a subjective concept of right and wrong. At Sinai the Jewish people were told that there is one God who makes moral demands on human beings. You can't just live as you please; there is a higher authority you are accountable to.

The Jewish people were commanded to be a "Light Unto the Nations," to communicate the message of morality to the world. So despite the fact that Jews were never more than a tiny fraction of the world's population, Jewish ideas became the basis for the civilized world. And with that, the Jews became a lightening rod for those opposed to the moral message.
 
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Lyndon

"Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
Premium Member
i'm pretty sure there have been Jewish protesters in the USA supporting Netanyahoo and his plan to bomb Iran, but they're not Arabs so I guess its OK to call for a war with Persians, just not Arabs, wait no, there have been Jewish protesters supporting the carpet bombing of Gaza. I guess Jews are no better than Arabs, makes sense to me.
 

Lyndon

"Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
Premium Member
That's one better than "White lives matter"!!!

I think the truly PC thing to say would be "Jewish lives don't matter any more than any other lives, especially Arab lives"

I think the whole crux of the Palestinian/ Israeli conflict can be summed up with the problem "Zionists believe Jewish lives are much more valuable than Palestinian/Arab lives" Just look at their policy, kill one of us, we kill 10 or 20 of you, obviously the work of some people that think they're better than everyone else in their neighborhood.
 
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Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
Anti-antisemitism is an interesting topic. There doesn't seem to be any parallel of this irrational hatred to any other ethnic group in the world. The best explanation that I found is this:
Well, I very much disagree with that explanation (I'm a Gnostic and so I don't like Yahweh very much). But I do sympathize with the Jews over how they've been treated over the centuries.
 

leibowde84

Veteran Member
That's one better than "White lives matter"!!!

I think the truly PC thing to say would be "Jewish lives don't matter any more than any other lives, especially Arab lives"

I think the whole crux of the Palestinian/ Israeli conflict can be summed up with the problem "Zionists believe Jewish lives are much more valuable than Palestinian/Arab lives" Just look at their policy, kill one of us, we kill 10 or 20 of you, obviously the work of some people that think they're better than everyone else in their neighborhood.
You do realize that both palestinians and Jews enlist this "policy", right? Further, you have to look at context when discussing Israel. Far too often people forget that, after WWII, Jews in Europe were homeless, for the most part. Governments were not forcing families who took their homes and property to return it, so many ended up going to Israel. They felt that they had no choice, as anti-semitism was so rampant throughout Europe and beyond. Not to mention that many Muslim leaders sided with the Germans with their shared interest that the Jews should die.
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
"Zionists believe Jewish lives are much more valuable than Palestinian/Arab lives"
"The Jews are called human beings, but the non-Jews are not humans. They are beasts." - Talmud: Baba mezia, 114b :rolleyes:
 

rosends

Well-Known Member
"The Jews are called human beings, but the non-Jews are not humans. They are beasts." - Talmud: Baba mezia, 114b :rolleyes:
If you really had any interest in learning this material and finding out why the website you cut and paste from is mired in ignorance, I might do more than just point to another site which explains.

http://talmud.faithweb.com/articles/man.html

But since I don't think you care to learn, I won't spend any more time summarizing and explaining. You can choose to go there and read or not. My guess is you won't.
 
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