Why can't people just leave the Jews alone?

[Lyndon]

You must admit the term "goyim" does not have a very positive connotation to the orthodox Jew.

 

[rosends]

You must admit the term "goyim" does not have a very positive connotation to the orthodox Jew.

The word means "nations" and is used textually to refer (in different contexts) to the Jews and to non-Jews. Now it is used by some to mean (sometimes derisively) "non-Jews" and is as potentially offensive as the use of the word "Jew" when said in a particular way about Jews.

 

[Akivah]

You must admit the term "goyim" does not have a very positive connotation to the orthodox Jew.

You must admit the term "Jew" ,"Jewish", and "Judaism" does not have a very positive connotation to the arabs or yourself.

 

[wizanda]

My guess is you won't.

Thank you for the info, and the lovely comments as usual; clearly Yeshua was right.... Blind, leading the blind, fall into the Pit.

Eze 34:31 And ye my flock, the flock of my pasture, are men, and I am your God, saith the Lord GOD.

That doesn't say that the Gentiles aren't human....

Jer 49:15 For, lo, I will make thee small among the heathen, and despised among men.

Where as here clearly refers to the Gentiles being men, and there are 13 other verses where both Gentiles (H1471), and Adam (H120) are used as being the same.

 

[Lyndon]

You must admit the term "Jew" ,"Jewish", and "Judaism" does not have a very positive connotation to the arabs or yourself.

No, I have Jewish friends and have had a lot of positive interaction with Jewish people even on this forum, my problem is with Zionism, in my opinion a racist philosophy that is destroying the Middle East. I also have strong problems with Muslims calling for the annhilation of Israel, just as I have major problems with Zionists calling for war with Iran. There is no way to preserve Israel for eternity with out making peace with the Palestinians, the longer Israel postpones making peace the larger the chance of an all out suicidal Arab attack on Israel, the Only way to prevent it in fact IMHO is to bend over backward to show love and respect for the Palestinian people and their cause. The Jews have a choice to make, make peace or there will be war, a war in which there are definitely no winners. At least that's the way it looks to me, hearing, researching, reading a lot about both sides of the conflict.

 

[Mistah Bunneh]

It seems that all of the problems that plague the Jewish people and all the anti-Semitism stems from the fact that people just can't seem to leave the Jews alone, which appears to be all they wanted in the first place. The Greeks tried to conquer them and erase their religion. Didn't work. The Romans tried it, too. They got kicked out of their land for the most part because of it, but it didn't destroy the Jewish people. The Christians and Muslims tried to conquer them, convert them and erase them, too, but that hasn't worked, either. The Jews remain. They're not giving up their religion or their culture. This is apparently a thorn in the side of many, for various reasons (especially religious ones).

I just don't understand why people can't leave them alone and let them have their land and their Temple. The Jews never really were interested in converting others. They tended to have a "live and let live" approach to their religion and culture. They don't complain about the practices of the other people around them. They just carried on doing their own thing. (I think we could all learn from that rather mature approach to things, honestly.)

I just don't get it.

I'd say all one has to do is read the Old Testament, the early Hebrews seemed a very warlike people with a sense of superiority over others and the promised land of milk and honey was drenched in others blood. I can say this for them, at least they didn't lie about Yahweh the wargod (Exodus 15:3)

 

[Akivah]

The Jews have a choice to make, make peace or there will be war, a war in which there are definitely no winners. At least that's the way it looks to me, hearing, researching, reading a lot about both sides of the conflict.

Why the Jews, including myself? Isn't it the Israelis that need to make choices about their nation?

No winners? The Israelis have won every war that the arabs have instigated against them, even surprise attacks on Yom Kippur. Every time the arabs have waged war against Israel, they lose land. You'd think they'd learn something by now.

 

[Flankerl]

Oh great we are back at the Talmud quotes.

Thank you for the info, and the lovely comments as usual; clearly Yeshua was right.... Blind, leading the blind, fall into the Pit.

Quite honestly can't you drive off a cliff and meet your Jesus on the other side while you let us alone?
First you quote mine a passage of the Talmud which you think means that Jews only see Jews as real humans and then you actually have the audacity to act like you are the victim when you are corrected?

Disgusting.


On to the next "friend of the Jews who only really hates evil Zionists, big pinky promise".

No

When will you ever stop lying? Really when?
Jew is pretty much one of the most favourite slurs in the Muslim world and beyond.

I have Jewish friends

Considering how many anti-zionists have convenient Jewish friends our demographics are all wrong. There are at least +30 million Jews in the world to accommodate so many "friends".

Zionism, in my opinion a racist philosophy that is destroying the Middle East

Israel-Palestine conflict: ~25.000 dead in 67 years
Syrian civil war: +250.000 dead in 4 years

Yup its literally destroying everything. Good heavens.
Oh wait I forgot, both Al-Qaeda and IS are run by the Jews uh I mean Zionists too.

I also have strong problems with Muslims calling for the annhilation of Israel, just as I have major problems with Zionists calling for war with Iran.

And yet you never really post anything about the first occurrence. Funny.

There is no way to preserve Israel for eternity with out making peace with the Palestinians, the longer Israel postpones making peace the larger the chance of an all out suicidal Arab attack on Israel, the Only way to prevent it in fact IMHO is to bend over backward to show love and respect for the Palestinian people and their cause. The Jews have a choice to make, make peace or there will be war, a war in which there are definitely no winners. At least that's the way it looks to me, hearing, researching, reading a lot about both sides of the conflict.

You know there is a finite number of crazy Islamists but an infinite number of bullets to take care of them.

Let me guess your peace plan involves taking in all Palestinian refugees and "refugees" into Israel, making Jews the minority who would end up with no rights and the obvious ethnic cleansing afterwards.
But who cares as it ain't your problem. If it happens you can write some post about it being their fault in the end and feeling better about it. Not that it matters to you.

But have you ever wondered what you'd do with your precious free time if your main target would be gone? I mean sure we still run Hollywood, the USA and all those other Shadow Governments but it wouldn't be the same.

I'd say all one has to do is read the Old Testament, the early Hebrews seemed a very warlike people with a sense of superiority over others and the promised land of milk and honey was drenched in others blood. I can say this for them, at least they didn't lie about Yahweh the wargod (Exodus 15:3)

People who judge over people from antiquity with their current morals and ethics irritate me to no end.

Considering what the Egyptians, Greeks, Assyrians, Babylonians, Hittites or Romans were doing the bad warlike "Hebrews" were quite the small fish in a vast ocean of death and war.

So the "Hebrews" destroyed a tribe or two? Wow big deal. That's like a bad weekend for the Neo-Babylonian Empire.

 

[wizanda]

I just don't get it.

We're far from innocent; invaded multiple nations, expelled from 109 locations since AD250, murdered our own prophets, and possible Messiah....

Oh great we are back at the Talmud quotes.

We'll it isn't my fault Judaism got hijacked by the Pharisees sect.

Quite honestly can't you drive off a cliff and meet your Jesus on the other side while you let us alone?

Thank you for the kind comments; already had one NDE.... Then asked to come back to sing Redemption Song before judgement day.

First you quote mine a passage of the Talmud which you think means that Jews only see Jews as real humans and then you actually have the audacity to act like you are the victim when you are corrected?

Clearly not corrected; the article that was posted tried to substantiate why it made sense (not that it was wrong), when clearly it is a miscomprehension of the Tanakh in the first place.

Disgusting.

Yes agreed; the attitude portrayed by many of us Jews, would explain why everyone has a hard time getting along with us.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I think it's because Jews are so successful at what they do, that people in general get very spiteful over. Its like jealous envy turned into rage.

Comparatively like peoples intense disdain for successful wealthy corporate figures, or someone who had achieved much in life, it gets turned around in negative ways by those who might feel underfoot for one reason or another.

 

[Mistah Bunneh]

People who judge over people from antiquity with their current morals and ethics irritate me to no end. Considering what the Egyptians, Greeks, Assyrians, Babylonians, Hittites or Romans were doing the bad warlike "Hebrews" were quite the small fish in a vast ocean of death and war. So the "Hebrews" destroyed a tribe or two? Wow big deal. That's like a bad weekend for the Neo-Babylonian Empire.

This thread was about the Hebrews so yes I will judge the Hebrews through their own words and deeds and make points where I feel they are needed.

 

[rosends]

Thank you for the info, and the lovely comments as usual; clearly Yeshua was right.... Blind, leading the blind, fall into the Pit.

Eze 34:31 And ye my flock, the flock of my pasture, are men, and I am your God, saith the Lord GOD.

That doesn't say that the Gentiles aren't human....

Jer 49:15 For, lo, I will make thee small among the heathen, and despised among men.

Where as here clearly refers to the Gentiles being men, and there are 13 other verses where both Gentiles (H1471), and Adam (H120) are used as being the same.

So IOW, you didn't read it. OK, thanks. I'll update your card.

 

[metis]

The Jews have a choice to make, make peace or there will be war, a war in which there are definitely no winners.

Peace can only be achieved if all sides want it, Lyndon. Have you ever been to Hamas' website? Do you really think they want peace? Do you think they have any responsibility to also strive to have peace? Do you know why they don't want peace? Ever look it up? Curious? Maybe?

 

[Flankerl]

This thread was about the Hebrews so yes I will judge the Hebrews through their own words and deeds and make points where I feel they are needed.

Actually this thread is about Jews. Hebrews is a word with a different history.

You could have gotten bonus points for using Israelite Tribes/men.

We're far from innocent; invaded multiple nations, expelled from 109 locations since AD250, murdered our own prophets, and possible Messiah....

Ah I see the illusion that you are a Jew persists.
Let me guess some crackpot "Jew in mind/heart/belief" crap?

We'll it isn't my fault Judaism got hijacked by the Pharisees sect.

Yeah heaven forbid that people adapt to a new life. Certainly makes it hard for the enemies of those people.

Thank you for the kind comments; already had one NDE.... Then asked to come back to sing Redemption Song before judgement day.

Doomsayers are adorable.

Clearly not corrected; the article that was posted tried to substantiate why it made sense (not that it was wrong), when clearly it is a miscomprehension of the Tanakh in the first place.

Congratulation on not understanding basic English or reading the article.

Yes agreed; the attitude portrayed by many of us Jews, would explain why everyone has a hard time getting along with us.

The bad part about this is that someone who sees you will actually believe the stuff that you write.

 

[Lyndon]

Peace can only be achieved if all sides want it, Lyndon. Have you ever been to Hamas' website? Do you really think they want peace? Do you think they have any responsibility to also strive to have peace? Do you know why they don't want peace? Ever look it up? Curious? Maybe?

You're absolutely right, but the problem is, so far in Israel its been so one sided against the Palestinians that its too late to ask the Palestinians to change, its time for the Israelis to take the first step to peace, evacuate the settlements, build a wall if they have to, but Palestinians have just as much right to half of Israel as Jews do, we need a two state solution, I think the whole world knows by now that a one state solution will always heavily favour the Jews, and it isn't working, its not going to work, and it never could work, seriously the Jews have offended the Arabs so badly now, that there's no getting along with Jews running everything, the Israeli leaders are racist and express hatred for Palestinians, same can be said for most Palestinians, the leaders are racist and express hatred for the Jews. so divide, split it up, build a wall 300 ft tall Have your ethnically pure Jewish homeland, and have the common human decency to give the Palestinians half of what they deserve, the country of Israel.

PS Hamas and Abbas will accept peace if you give them half they country as they deserve.

 

[ChristineES]

It seems that all of the problems that plague the Jewish people and all the anti-Semitism stems from the fact that people just can't seem to leave the Jews alone, which appears to be all they wanted in the first place. The Greeks tried to conquer them and erase their religion. Didn't work. The Romans tried it, too. They got kicked out of their land for the most part because of it, but it didn't destroy the Jewish people. The Christians and Muslims tried to conquer them, convert them and erase them, too, but that hasn't worked, either. The Jews remain. They're not giving up their religion or their culture. This is apparently a thorn in the side of many, for various reasons (especially religious ones).

I just don't understand why people can't leave them alone and let them have their land and their Temple. The Jews never really were interested in converting others. They tended to have a "live and let live" approach to their religion and culture. They don't complain about the practices of the other people around them. They just carried on doing their own thing. (I think we could all learn from that rather mature approach to things, honestly.)

I just don't get it.

Antisemitism makes no sense at all. Racism doesn't make any sense. I have Jewish ancestry myself: As far as I know, my great grandparents left their home countries in Europe to escape persecution.

 

[Yerda]

Antisemitism makes no sense at all.

It's always useful to have someone to blame.

 

[Lyndon]

Yeah, blame the Palestinians, they're the real problem, they're the ones with 200 nuclear weapons ready to launch at a moments notice, oops that's the Israelis!! My bad.

 

[Yerda]

Yeah, blame the Palestinians, they're the real problem, they're the ones with 200 nuclear weapons ready to launch at a moments notice, oops that's the Israelis!! My bad.

I wouldn't blame either people as a group.

 

[psychoslice]

Jews are treated horribly by the arabs. Do you see Jews marching through the streets of Stockholm chanting "Slaughter the arabs"?

If someone took your land. ,then yes you probably would be marching through the streets.