1robin said:
Where did you get the stuff you said I typed? I searched for it and can't find, and the fact it is not a quote directly from a
post is very suspicious. Even if it came from a site I gave that is not to say I agreed with every claim at the site or from links on the site. You know what, never mind. The argumentation you use is so strange and I had already indicated I was not continuing the debate twice so the only motivation for you posts must be emotional and reason is ineffective against an emotional position. Once again I am out.
It was your post number #304. It was full of lies, and misrepresentations, especially the false claims about child molestation, and pedophilia. Some of it was true, but much was not.
As far as strange argumentation is concerned, I do not have any idea whatsoever what you are talking about. It is you who are using strange argumentation. Your primary premise in this thread has been that homosexuality is harmful. I have showed that often, it is not harmful, so you made a misleading claim. As far as HIV/AIDS is concerned, the majority of homosexuals do not have HIV/AIDS, so what harm are you talking about as far as the majority of homosexuals are concerned? What harm are you talking about regarding alcoholism since the majority of homosexuals are not alcoholics? The same goes for drug abuse, and pedophilia. What is any harmful medical condition that affects the majority of homosexuals?
Do you understand the meaning of the word "majority"? If so, why do you continue to make arguments about the minority of homosexuals?
Regarding cause and correlation, since many heterosexuals are, for example, alcoholics, it is not possible to reasonbly establish which homosexuals are alcoholics "because" they are homosexuals.
Here is one of your biggest blunders:
1robin said:
I have said several times that the data indicates inescapably that the practice results in a net negative effect in many ways and to a large degree without any possible justification for the practice in spite of its effects.
Your comment is utter nonsense since it presumes that if homosexuals stop having sex, they will be better off than they were before. Some would, but many would not, probably a sizeable majority. Homosexuals have mostly three choices, 1) to keep engaging in same-sex behavior, 2) to try reparative therapy, or 3) to try abstinence. It is well-known that in many cases, homosexuals who tried reparative therapy, or abstinence, ended up much worse off than they were before. Regarding those homosexuals, quite obviously, the justification for continuing to engage in same-sex behavior is that it is less harmful than reparative therapy, or abstinence.
No major medical organization, including the CDC, recommends reparative therapy or abstinence as an effective way to deal with homosexuality.
What person in their right mind would recommend that homosexuals stop having sex if it causes them great physical and emotional stress, especially those who have very poor results when they try reparative therapy, or abstinence?
Your gays in the military arguments are disputed by the militaries of over 30 countries, including the U.S. military. Please reply to my post #485 about gays in the military. There are not any doubts whatsoever the many gay servicemen all over the world perform their jobs well for many years. As I said in my post #485, the main problem is the "perception" of gays in the military, not the capabilities of the gays themselves.
There is not anything at all that is strange about those arguments. The boards of directors of every major medical association in the U.S. would agree with my arguments in this post, and the militaries of over 30 countries would too, and yet you said that my argumentation is strange. You are a very strange bird indeed. No rational person would boast when large consensuses of experts disagree with them.
Here is basically what is going on here. Homosexuals generally have more medical problems than heterosexuals do, but you falsely believe that the general population of homosexuals are worse off than they are. A great many homosexuals in the world have reasonably good health, get up and go to work every day, have good social skills, and want to be judged as individuals, not as a group. They do not want to be told that their sexual practices are harmful if they have reasonably good health. You are deliberately misrepresenting the truth since you know that hundreds of thousands, if not millions of homosexuals in the world are reasonably healthy.
