Why Did God Create Humanity?

[ThePainefulTruth]

How is "love" the ultimate creative force? And you talk about "all" living beings--what about the living beings that cause death and destruction to those that love God?

Good question. I think Truth is the one all encompassing quality of reality, which includes imagination. Love is only one aspect of Truth, along with knowledge, justice and beauty. But humans, not God (if It exists), create evil--in which God must not interfere in order to maintain our free will.

Incorrect! If it was so tedious and disheartening, why not start again? Or why doesn't he make himself comfortable with a giant God playground or use his omniscience to force uplifting emotions into his mind?

I imagine God is continually delighted and disappointed in our actions as individuals, which is apparently why we are here. If there's a reward for pursuing the Truth, it's at least fulfillment in this life, and maybe in a possible Hereafter. Punishment for evil also exists in this life, the subconscious cost of making a lie of one's life. And that submerged torment will have those corrupt souls sentencing themselves to a merciful, humane oblivion they don't deserve. But who wants to listen to their wails and anguish for all eternity?

 

[viole]

Okay, what do you think his reason was.

I do not have the slightest clue. Whaever reason I can think of is incompatible with a perfect, omnipotent and omiscient being.

I would say that the number of reasons that motivated God to create humanity is inversely proportional to the number of reasons that motivated humanity to create God. At least, I have no problems to see the latters, while I have a lot of problems to see the formers.

Ciao

- viole

 

[Skwim]

Close. I think even God (being just One) would need/want to have the ability to be surprised or delighted, and even be disappointed. I think God was looking for companionship, with creatures who would choose to be worthy of that companionship of their own free will--rather than just robots/angels that were just following their programming. That of course would mean some would not be worthy of that companionship. How do we so choose, by being honest, moral companions with other humans, naturally, of our own free will, without divine coaching. If we were to hear God say thus and so, that would spoil the test--free will would be tainted. An omnipotent God could do anything, besides creating creatures with free will, instantly, thus the universe.



Suffering and death are part of the test. And they are also continuing examples of God's commitment to our all important free will. BTW, God, if It exists, doesn't create evil, evil people choose to do it.



Again, those of our own kind create evil. Suffering is not good for us, it's just the sometime consequence of free will.

That might sell to those who believe in free will, but I don't.


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[ThePainefulTruth]

I do not have the slightest clue. Whaever reason I can think of is incompatible with a perfect, omnipotent and omiscient being.

Would a perfect, omnipotent, omiscient One God, not be alone. And IF we're created in God's image, wouldn't our capacity for loneliness not reflect God's. God could create other creatures like angels or whatever, but they wouldn't have free will; it would be like God talking to a ventriloquist dummy. (Now there's a mental picture for ya. I wonder who the dummy would look like? Flip Wilson?! "The DEVIL mademebuythatdress!!!" And I bet God could even throw his voice from another room, and..and..[OMG LOL] God, being omnipresent, could be an audience of billions! Imagine the laughter echoing around infinity. Though God would have to wait for man to come up with dark/gallows humor, and probably wouldn't be too big on self-deprecating humor--throw Flip into the Sun or sun'thin.)

That might sell to those who believe in free will, but I don't.
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Well then, if you don't believe in free will, then your decision not to believe in it is not your own. You would have no will to make a decision. And if that's the case for us all, then this is just a cosmic puppet show; and it follows that there's no reasonable answer to your question.

Now it could be that I'm the only one with free will, with me on a table somewhere just imagining this universe and the people in it. It could also be there are jillions of others imagining their universes and exercising their free will in them, and you on your table without it. How does that benefit you or God or anybody? We're back to there being no answer for your question if there is no free will.

BTW, this exercise also shows that if everybody is in THE one universe and if reality is whatever subjective reality we want or imagine it to be, there would be total chaos--for which I see no evidence...in my universe anyway.

 

[Skwim]

Well then, if you don't believe in free will, then your decision not to believe in it is not your own. You would have no will to make a decision. And if that's the case for us all, then this is just a cosmic puppet show; and it follows that there's no reasonable answer to your question.

Because, I assume, that god is part of the puppet show as well, which is spot on.

Now it could be that I'm the only one with free will, with me on a table somewhere just imagining this universe and the people in it. It could also be there are jillions of others imagining their universes and exercising their free will in them, and you on your table without it. How does that benefit you or God or anybody? We're back to there being no answer for your question if there is no free will.

Sure there is: He had no choice. Circumstances dictated that god create humans.

BTW, this exercise also shows that if everybody is in THE one universe and if reality is whatever subjective reality we want or imagine it to be, there would be total chaos--for which I see no evidence...in my universe anyway.

But then reality isn't what we subjectively want or imagine it to be because, as it has turned out, we don't have total chaos.

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

Sure there is: He had no choice. Circumstances dictated that god create humans.

What circumstances? It looks like you're just backing God up a step. God is in the circumstances.

But then reality isn't what we subjectively want or imagine it to be because, as it has turned out, we don't have total chaos.

Well, we're in agreement on that at least.

 

[Skwim]

What circumstances? It looks like you're just backing God up a step. God is in the circumstances.

Deterministic cause and effect.

 

[Sleeppy]

Whenever I say God does anything, I have to be very mindful. God is static; literally the whole of all things past, present, and future. So to answer the OP question in appropriate terms: God 'created' because it 'was' of Himself to do so.

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

Deterministic cause and effect.

So God was compelled to set things up deterministicly, without free will? That begs the question of what's really in charge--and once again, there's no answer to your question, or should I say, any possible "why" into the question/equation.

Whenever I say God does anything, I have to be very mindful. God is static; literally the whole of all things past, present, and future. So to answer the OP question in appropriate terms: God 'created' because it 'was' of Himself to do so.

If God caused beings (such as us) to exist, the nature of our free will would prevent It from knowing any aspect of the future over which our free will had influence--which was the whole point of our having it.

 

[Skwim]

So God was compelled to set things up deterministicly, without free will?

BINGO! (actually, free will was never an alternative).

That begs the question of what's really in charge--and once again, there's no answer to your question, or should I say, any possible "why" into the question/equation.

Well, no one is really in charge. As for an answer to my question, one such possible answer: Because god became bored (actually he had no choice in the matter) he created mankind to relieve it (again he had no choice in the matter). Boredom was one of the many determining aspects in the chain of cause/effect events leading up to our creation.

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

BINGO! (actually, free will was never an alternative).

Well, no one is really in charge. As for an answer to my question, one such possible answer: Because god became bored (actually he had no choice in the matter) he created mankind to relieve it (again he had no choice in the matter). Boredom was one of the many determining aspects in the chain of cause/effect events leading up to our creation.

How can puppets where God controls the strings and writes the script relieve boredom? If God can be bored, certainly It would also feel the need for companionship. Companions are worthless if they don't choose to be with you, and they can't really choose without free will. "If you love something, set it free. If it's yours, it'll come back to you. If not, it never was."

 

[Tumah]

Its impossible to understand why G-d, whose existence is impossible for humans to comprehend, would do something. We simply don't have the capability of relating to G-d Himself, in anyway. That being said, we believe that within the framework of relationship that He created for us to relate to Him, He created the perception that He is the penultimate Giver and that nature is actualized through a Creation upon which to bestow. That creation is humanity. Everything else are just supporting characters.

 

[Eliab ben Benjamin]

To experience all life, its ups downs etc ..... to learn from that

 

[Kilgore Trout]

A lot of good answers of why humans created god.

 

[Sleeppy]

If God caused beings (such as us) to exist, the nature of our free will would prevent It from knowing any aspect of the future over which our free will had influence--which was the whole point of our having it.

There is no free will.

 

[Thief]

There is no free will.

so Who twisted your arm and put those words in your mouth?

 

[cambridge79]

Be creative

because he is a peeping Tom

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

Its impossible to understand why G-d, whose existence is impossible for humans to comprehend, would do something.

Do you not believe that we're created in God's image? And isn't that image spiritual, not physical?

A lot of good answers of why humans created god.

Many answers are just made up, yes, while others dismiss the possibility of God out-of-hand and for no reason. But some are arrived at based on the premise, If.....Then. If God exists and created the universe, and is rational, then It must have had some motivation to do so. Saying that we can't possibly comprehend God's motives is without foundation.

There is no free will.

Therefore it wasn't you who just thought that and posted it if you're nothing but a wooden puppet with strings and no will of your own. Like Pinocchio, we have the choice of becoming a real boy or an ***.

 

[Sleeppy]

Therefore it wasn't you who just thought that and posted it if you're nothing but a wooden puppet with strings and no will of your own. Like Pinocchio, we have the choice of becoming a real boy or an ***.

We all go through the process of thinking and then posting. That's not of question. What's of question, is whether or not we cause ourselves. Cause and effect. It's a simple question.

You have a brain. But you cannot tell me in any entirety, why your brain processes information in the way that it does, at any given moment. You are not aware of the myriad of chemical and physical reactions occurring now, in your brain. You simply think and post, ignorant of the things necessary to your current state. The illusion of free will produces such pride in one's (re)actions.

 

[Sleeppy]

so Who twisted your arm and put those words in your mouth?

God is not subverted. My arm doesn't need twisting, in order that I accomplish His determination.