Why Did God Create Humanity?

[Thief]

God is not subverted. My arm doesn't need twisting, in order that I accomplish His determination.

so you 'willfully' do His bidding?

 

[Sleeppy]

so you 'willfully' do His bidding?

Willingly or unwillingly- the will of God supersedes, being that His will is what established us, and everything past, present, and future, before the son of man could think to establish himself. The brain is of limited capacity, and so the entirety of heaven is not open to man. We've understood nothing in comparison to the immense knowledge of the Father, according to what is determined.

 

[Thief]

Willingly or unwillingly- the will of God supersedes, being that His will is what established us, and everything past, present, and future, before the son of man could think to establish himself. The brain is of limited capacity, and so the entirety of heaven is not open to man. We've understood nothing in comparison to the immense knowledge of the Father, according to what is determined.

so....no such thing as a rebellious angel?

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

I doubt that God specifically made us.
rather I think that we are the result of his creation.
a stage in the process...
His entire creation was established for his own purposes.
Each part of it, and that includes us, is required to work for the benifit of creation as a whole.
We as a species may never know what part we have played. Or why.
How big a hand he has in our progress is impossible to ascertain.
The development of faith and religion seem to be an essential stage in our development.

 

[Sleeppy]

so....no such thing as a rebellious angel?

Those things rebelling against the Creator never came to be.

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

We all go through the process of thinking and then posting. That's not of question. What's of question, is whether or not we cause ourselves. Cause and effect. It's a simple question.

But that has nothing to do with free will. The problem some people have with free will is that God (if it exists) can't know the decisions we're going to make--even though that's because God gave us that autonomy. IOW, people deny free will due to irrational, fabricated theology.

You have a brain. But you cannot tell me in any entirety, why your brain processes information in the way that it does, at any given moment. You are not aware of the myriad of chemical and physical reactions occurring now, in your brain. You simply think and post, ignorant of the things necessary to your current state. The illusion of free will produces such pride in one's (re)actions.

Ah, the other bugaboo, pride and our "evil" assumption of superiority among the animals. Our inherent sense of morality and the free will to choose to do true evil, or not, is founded on our full self-awareness that the animals don't have--where full self-awareness is understanding the universality and inevitability of mortality to which all brains, however they work, succumb.

 

[Tumah]

Do you not believe that we're created in God's image? And isn't that image spiritual, not physical?

Neither, its metaphorical. G-d Himself has no image with which to be created in.

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

I doubt that God specifically made us.
rather I think that we are the result of his creation.

Yes, the creation evolved us.

His entire creation was established for his own purposes.

Well, more likely It's entire creation was established for It's and our purposes.

Each part of it, and that includes us, is required to work for the benifit of creation as a whole.
We as a species may never know what part we have played. Or why.

Of course, if there is no God, there is no why. And we are all driven by the need for self-promotion, even Mother Superior who believes she is working for the benefit of her soul. I don't know of anyone who condemned himself to eternal hellfire for someone else's salvation.

How big a hand he has in our progress is impossible to ascertain.

According to the evidence, none.

The development of faith and religion seem to be an essential stage in our development.

No, those are essential to the development of priests and the church. They have little or no commitment to the Truth, the pursuit of which is where we find purpose and fulfillment

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

Neither, its metaphorical. G-d Himself has no image with which to be created in.

Spiritual "image" in the metaphorical sense.

 

[Tumah]

Spiritual "image" in the metaphorical sense.

I'm not sure what that refers to exactly.

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

I'm not sure what that refers to exactly.

Your physical body doesn't define who you are, it merely supports it--which support can sometimes malfunction.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

They do say the devil makes work for idle hands.

 

[Tumah]

Your physical body doesn't define who you are, it merely supports it--which support can sometimes malfunction.

I feel like there's some background to what you're saying that I'm not familiar with.
To Orthodox Judaism, refers to our ability to interact with the world, just as G-d interacts with the world. Our physical limbs are metaphors for the various ways that G-d interacts with the world which are described in Scriptures as G-d's eyes, hands, feet, etc. Spiritually as well, just as G-d fills the world, our souls fill our body and just as G-d sees but is not seen, our souls can see but can't be seen. Just as G-d sustains the world, the souls sustains the body, etc.

 

[Unification]

To worship Him.


“I have created the jinn and humankind only for My worship.” (Quran 51:56)

I can see that, but worship/reverence/praise of life, love, happiness, peace, thankfulness, etc. as opposed to needing attention and the stroking of a massive ego.

 

[Skwim]

How can puppets where God controls the strings and writes the script relieve boredom?

Why do you think we're his puppets? (We're the puppets of cause/effect.) In any case, if you subscribe to his omnipotence he would know what's going to happen anyway, and I doubt that watching something unfold as you know it will would be much of a bordom-breaker. The Boredom reason only works if he isn't omnipotent.

If God can be bored, certainly It would also feel the need for companionship.

Not buying this "certainly" at all. How do you arrive at it?

Companions are worthless if they don't choose to be with you, and they can't really choose without free will.

So you say, although I fail to see the necessity of it.

"If you love something, set it free. If it's yours, it'll come back to you. If not, it never was."

Irrelevant.

 

[Thief]

Those things rebelling against the Creator never came to be.

the ability to make denial is the mark of our freewill
we teach (and learn) the word....no....before we learn our names.

 

[Quagmire]

He had a lot of spare parts lying around.

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

They do say the devil makes work for idle hands.

"They say" is the modern catch-phrase to justify hearsay. "Idle hands is the Devil's workshop" is the original quote I believe. And of course any attempt to undermine Church theology with the Truth would be attributed to the Devil.

I feel like there's some background to what you're saying that I'm not familiar with.
To Orthodox Judaism, refers to our ability to interact with the world, just as G-d interacts with the world. Our physical limbs are metaphors for the various ways that G-d interacts with the world which are described in Scriptures as G-d's eyes, hands, feet, etc. Spiritually as well, just as G-d fills the world, our souls fill our body and just as G-d sees but is not seen, our souls can see but can't be seen. Just as G-d sustains the world, the souls sustains the body, etc.

**Sigh**

Why do you think we're his puppets? (We're the puppets of cause/effect.)

Yeah we would be if weren't for the fact that free will frees us from cause and effect.

In any case, if you subscribe to his omnipotence he would know what's going to happen anyway

Wouldn't omnipotence (omniscience) include the power to impart free will to those of It's creation????

and I doubt that watching something unfold as you know it will would be much of a bordom-breaker. The Boredom reason only works if he isn't omnipotent.

Jeez, c'mon man, that's the whole point of free will, to keep things from unfolding as God would otherwise know they would.

Not buying this "certainly" at all. How do you arrive at it?

You presumed boredom. I just extended that human attribute to be just as likely as having a need for companionship

 

[Sleeppy]

the ability to make denial is the mark of our freewill
we teach (and learn) the word....no....before we learn our names.

Our "no's" are given to us.

 

[Skwim]

Yeah we would be if weren't for the fact that free will frees us from cause and effect.

Ain't no such an animal.

Wouldn't omnipotence (omniscience) include the power to impart free will to those of It's creation????

My mistake in using the wrong word, twice in fact. I meant to say "omniscience" when I said "omnipotence." Free will is impartable.

Jeez, c'mon man, that's the whole point of free will, to keep things from unfolding as God would otherwise know they would.

But free will is dead in the water. An illusion at best. It's championed to save the concept of sin/salvation from going under.

You presumed boredom. I just extended that human attribute to be just as likely as having a need for companionship

Okay, but it's an odd presumption.