Why Did God Create Humanity?

[Skwim]

If God created the Universe than God is running all affairs.

Why couldn't a god create the universe and then just let it be? He could, but your prejudice dictates that he can't. Not very impressive, my friend.

If God would move the sun an inch further ,we would all be dead due to the fact that it would be too cold.

Then the human race should have been dead eons ago.

"The sun and Earth are gradually moving apart. It’s not much – just 15 cm per year
source​

15 cm = 5.906 inches.

This shows that we need God for everything.

No, it shows you don't know what you're talking about.

I can name up endless reasons why we need God and 0 reasons why we dont need God.

Without making up stuff? I doubt it.

 

[Skwim]

Why did God create humanity?

First off - who/what is God?

Use whatever definition suits you.

Anybody answer that yet?

I could be wrong, but I don't believe so.

Why do you create some of the things you think about?

It pleases me, but this is a trite, obvious answer. I'm sure you would expect something far more enlightening, which would depend on what I created.

 

[HeatherAnn]

Use whatever definition suits you.

I could be wrong, but I don't believe so.

It pleases me, but this is a trite, obvious answer. I'm sure you would expect something far more enlightening, which would depend on what I created.

So, then maybe God is like a parent-consciousness (or as Aristotle's "Prime Mover") - who decided to create offspring consciousnesses, just because it pleased him/her.
Or it could be that we are a split off of God (parent-consciousness), in efforts to please ourselves by expanding consciousness - and progressing.

What do you think, Skwim?
How do you choose to define God?

 

[Skwim]

So, then maybe God is like a parent-consciousness (or as Aristotle's "Prime Mover") - who decided to create offspring consciousnesses, just because it pleased him/her.
Or it could be that we are a split off of God (parent-consciousness), in efforts to please ourselves by expanding consciousness - and progressing.

What do you think, Skwim?
How do you choose to define God?

Don't really care to take the thread off track. Let's stick to, "Why Did God Create Humanity?"

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

An omnipotent, omnipotent, omniscient being that existed before time was time..

Do you think he is surprised at any actions good or Evil?
He's seen it all.

Does the pursuit of poetic justice ever get old, or courage, or humor, or fulfillment? It's new to the person experiencing it, you could even say it is patented by them. Do you get tired of experiencing pleasure?

Being jaded is a symptom of cynicism for its own sake. It 's what's left behind by an empty soul.

Why did God create humanity?

First off - who/what is God?
Anybody answer that yet?

Yes, I have somewhere. God is the conscious willful embodiment of the entity of ultimate value, Truth. Or, god is the unconscious embodiment of the entity of ultimate value, Truth. Either way, Truth is G/god.

I tend to think along the lines of Moses, Buddha, Jesus, Gottfried Leibniz, who saw that God is consciousness and this universe is conscious-based. God is "I AM THAT I AM" - that consciousness aware of itself. "The kingdom of God is within you."

Those are all examples of revelation based blind faith, and all revelation that we know about, it based on 100% hearsay with zero evidence for validation by the first scrap of any of evidence. Throw in man's tendency for misperception, slothful examination and desire for influence and power, and the case for any valid revelation or miracle is a virtual -100%.

So, why would consciousness create anything?
Why do you create some of the things you think about?
I'd like to know...

This question is totally unconnected to what you preceded it with. As for an answer, wouldn't companionship be reasonable, or as Squim so crassly offered an alternative, boredom.

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

If God created the Universe than God is running all affairs.

No, if God created the universe, then the universe is running itself under the natural law God established. Or don't you think an omnipotent God could do that?

If God would move the sun an inch further ,we would all be dead due to the fact that it would be too cold. This shows that we need God for everything. I can name up endless reasons why we need God and 0 reasons why we dont need God.

Just the opposite, if God so much as saved an amoeba on the other side of the universe, the universe would disappear as a result of the violation of natural law. Things are set up so that we have no evidence that God exists, allowing us to make our moral decisions without being fettered with divine supervision. Spawning creatures with free will is the sole purpose for the 13 billion year-old universe. God could create anything else instantly.

If there is a God, then I suspect our need for It will be fulfilled upon our passing.

 

[Oldsoul]

Does the pursuit of poetic justice ever get old,

You've made a brilliant point.
Thanks for changing my perspective.

QUOTE="ThePainefulTruth, post: 4521683, member: 41619"]
or courage, or humor, or fulfillment? [/QUOTE]

Well yes.. this is why we toss out inadequate leaders ..
The same reason we have box office flops and cancelled television shows.


QUOTE="ThePainefulTruth, post: 4521683, member: 41619"]
It's new to the person experiencing it, you could even say it is patented by them. [/QUOTE]

QUOTE="ThePainefulTruth, post: 4521683, member: 41619"]
Do you get tired of experiencing pleasure?[/QUOTE]

Sometimes. .
I tend to seek out pleasure from new sources .
But you also made a valid point here.

QUOTE="ThePainefulTruth, post: 4521683, member: 41619"]
Being jaded is a symptom of cynicism for its own sake. It 's what's left behind by an empty soul.[/QUOTE]

Ouch!!
If I were to ever think I'm becoming Jaded.. your definition will set me in a positive direction.

Once again.. excellent point.

QUOTE="ThePainefulTruth, post: 4521683, member: 41619"]
Yes, I have somewhere. God is the conscious willful embodiment of the entity of ultimate value, Truth. Or, god is the unconscious embodiment of the entity of ultimate value, Truth. Either way, Truth is G/god.[/QUOTE]

Well..
I must say .. you certain have a way with words..

Hopefully you're not a curupt politician. .


I'd totally vote for you..

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

You've made a brilliant point.
Thanks for changing my perspective.

QUOTE="ThePainefulTruth, post: 4521683, member: 41619"]
or courage, or humor, or fulfillment?

Well yes.. this is why we toss out inadequate leaders ..
The same reason we have box office flops and cancelled television shows.


QUOTE="ThePainefulTruth, post: 4521683, member: 41619"]
It's new to the person experiencing it, you could even say it is patented by them. [/QUOTE]

QUOTE="ThePainefulTruth, post: 4521683, member: 41619"]
Do you get tired of experiencing pleasure?[/QUOTE]

Sometimes. .
I tend to seek out pleasure from new sources .
But you also made a valid point here.

QUOTE="ThePainefulTruth, post: 4521683, member: 41619"]
Being jaded is a symptom of cynicism for its own sake. It 's what's left behind by an empty soul.[/QUOTE]

Ouch!!
If I were to ever think I'm becoming Jaded.. your definition will set me in a positive direction.

Once again.. excellent point.

QUOTE="ThePainefulTruth, post: 4521683, member: 41619"]
Yes, I have somewhere. God is the conscious willful embodiment of the entity of ultimate value, Truth. Or, god is the unconscious embodiment of the entity of ultimate value, Truth. Either way, Truth is G/god.[/QUOTE]

Well..
I must say .. you certain have a way with words..

Hopefully you're not a curupt politician. .


I'd totally vote for you..[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the feedback. People usually keep positive feedback to themselves. Sometimes, like pieces of the cosmic puzzle, words just seem to fall into place on their own. And I'm sure you realize that true appreciation is only possible when conducted in a circuit between peers. BTW, I can't remember a politician or priest whose highest dedication was to the Truth. That's the domain of scientists and artists--though they can also be corrupt.

 

[HeatherAnn]

Don't really care to take the thread off track. Let's stick to, "Why Did God Create Humanity?"

You mean, "let's just stick to things I feel more competent in answering"?

 

[HeatherAnn]

Yes, I have somewhere. God is the conscious willful embodiment of the entity of ultimate value, Truth. Or, god is the unconscious embodiment of the entity of ultimate value, Truth. Either way, Truth is G/god.



Those are all examples of revelation based blind faith, and all revelation that we know about, it based on 100% hearsay with zero evidence for validation by the first scrap of any of evidence. Throw in man's tendency for misperception, slothful examination and desire for influence and power, and the case for any valid revelation or miracle is a virtual -100%.



This question is totally unconnected to what you preceded it with. As for an answer, wouldn't companionship be reasonable, or as Squim so crassly offered an alternative, boredom.

Your first response, seemed logically and intuitively reasonable. The latter two are full of logical fallacy, ironically in an attempt to come across "skeptically logical." lol

You seem to have nothing better to contribute than just point to the discussion and say, "that's stupid."
If you can't answer the question, then don't, rather than try to blame someone else for your feeling stupid.

If you had anything to contribute, you'd explain WHY you think "I AM THAT I AM" is inappropriate to define God, and WHY you believe that "the kingdom of God is.." NOT "...within you."
But no, you don't have any logical argument because you know that all we experience is within us - including our sense of GOoD, and deep down you know that consciousness (I AM THAT I AM) is foundational to how we experience everything.

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

Your first response, seemed logically and intuitively reasonable. The latter two are full of logical fallacy, ironically in an attempt to come across "skeptically logical." lol

You label them logically fallacious and impugn my integrity based on a complete lack of rebuttal. What evidence, besides raw (in most cases ancient) hearsay, is there for any revelation or other supernatural event? How is that statement illogical?

You seem to have nothing better to contribute than just point to the discussion and say, "that's stupid."
If you can't answer the question, then don't, rather than try to blame someone else for your feeling stupid

More illogical, unresponsive name calling.
.

If you had anything to contribute, you'd explain WHY you think "I AM THAT I AM" is inappropriate to define God, and WHY you believe that "the kingdom of God is.." NOT "...within you."

So for a definition of God, some Hebrew scribe writing down for us, that Moses (or somebody that claimed to have an ancestor than knew him) wrote down (3500 year old hearsay on top of hearsay) that a burning bush declared that it exists is good enough for you? Cue the lyrics to "Gimme That Old Time Religion (it's good enough for me)". A severe mescaline overdose or fabricated plot to exact revenge on Pharaoh while becoming leader of the Israelites, are better explanations.

And remember, I'm the one who states up front that I have no evidence for or against the existence of God.

But no, you don't have any logical argument because you know that all we experience is within us - including our sense of GOoD, and deep down you know that consciousness (I AM THAT I AM) is foundational to how we experience everything.

More strident defense of a logically indefensible position. You may not like it, much less that you have to hear it from an infidel, but all you have is inadmissable hearsay and can't show otherwise. And please remember, I've been where you are, only I was arguing with an atheist, though I never became one--I stuck to the yellow brick road of reason through all the the pitfalls, to the wizard behind the curtain. I'm not trying to be strong on you, I'm merely pursuing my God, Truth.

 

[Skwim]

You mean, "let's just stick to things I feel more competent in answering"?

.

 

[Useless2015]

Why couldn't a god create the universe and then just let it be? He could, but your prejudice dictates that he can't. Not very impressive, my friend.

If God is the cause for everything than we need Him for everything.

Then the human race should have been dead eons ago.

"The sun and Earth are gradually moving apart. It’s not much – just 15 cm per year
source​

15 cm = 5.906 inches.

No, it shows you don't know what you're talking about.

Well besides the obvious fact that this was mere an example, you are missing the point completely.

Are you suggesting the position of the Sun has no major influence on Earth?

Without making up stuff? I doubt it.

As i said before, it all comes down to believing.

 

[Useless2015]

No, if God created the universe, then the universe is running itself under the natural law God established. Or don't you think an omnipotent God could do that?

He could but it does not make sense. No matter how you spin and turn, it is God that runs the Universe.

Just the opposite, if God so much as saved an amoeba on the other side of the universe, the universe would disappear as a result of the violation of natural law. Things are set up so that we have no evidence that God exists, allowing us to make our moral decisions without being fettered with divine supervision. Spawning creatures with free will is the sole purpose for the 13 billion year-old universe. God could create anything else instantly.

We depend on God in everything. Did you ever wonder why you wake up every morning? Did you ever think of thanking God?

If there is a God, then I suspect our need for It will be fulfilled upon our passing.

Well if we were to come face in face with the Reality of God, than it would be too late for non-believers. There is no free will if we all believe in God.

 

[Skwim]

If God is the cause for everything than we need Him for everything.

You mean that rather than bothering to get a replacement part for my lawnmower all I had to do to get it running again was to sit back and rely on god? How about cutting my steak at the restaurant, would god take care of that as well? If you're going to indulge in exaggeration then expect to be called on it.

Well besides the obvious fact that this was mere an example, you are missing the point completely.

But it was a false example. What kind of point are we to take that comes out of ignorance? Why should anyone listen to what you have to say when you just make up stuff?

In any case, exactly what point were you trying to make?

Are you suggesting the position of the Sun has no major influence on Earth?

Not suggesting anything. I'm telling you that your assertion is wrong.

As i said before, it all comes down to believing.

You said,

"I can name up endless reasons why we need God and 0 reasons why we dont need God."
​

And I asked

"Without making up stuff? I doubt it."
​

Now, instead of backing up your claim you beg off, saying "it all comes down to believing." Okay, but just what are some of these "reasons why we need God" we're suppose to believe?

 

[Useless2015]

You mean that rather than bothering to get a replacement part for my lawnmower all I had to do to get it running again was to sit back and rely on god? How about cutting my steak at the restaurant, would god take care of that as well? If you're going to indulge in exaggeration then expect to be called on it.

Why are you beating around the bush..? God gives us the means and what we as humans do with is irrelevant.

But it was a false example. What kind of point are we to take that comes out of ignorance? Why should anyone listen to what you have to say when you just make up stuff?

An 'inch' was an EXAMPLE lol..You took inch literally which is absurd to be honest.

In any case, exactly what point were you trying to make?

That we as a species rely on God for our existence.

Not suggesting anything. I'm telling you that your assertion is wrong.

Again inch was an example, how much actual distance it takes is IRRELEVANT.

You said,

"I can name up endless reasons why we need God and 0 reasons why we dont need God."
​

And I asked

"Without making up stuff? I doubt it."
​

Now, instead of backing up your claim you beg off, saying "it all comes down to believing." Okay, but just what are some of these "reasons why we need God" we're suppose to believe?

I think the fact that everything in reality is in perfect harmony should ring some alarms. Atheists claim they use logic but where is the logic in thinking there is no God? Don't you find it at all curious how everything that we need is provided for us?

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

He could but it does not make sense.

That's the only thing that makes sense, if God exists. We mustn't know whether or not God exists so as not to have our free will spoilt. Free will for we sentient creatures is the sole purpose for the universe. An omnipotent God could create anything else instantly. And if God wanted to communicate with us, why wouldn't It just come out and say it, in our own language, without the parade of corruptible human intermediaries. Why the obfuscation? You know why. It ain't God.

We depend on God in everything. Did you ever wonder why you wake up every morning? Did you ever think of thanking God?

If God made Itself apparent, sure. Meanwhile, I worship the God (if It exists), or my god of ultimate meaning, pursuing/worshiping It, Truth (i.e. knowledge, justice, love and beauty).

Well if we were to come face in face with the Reality of God, than it would be too late for non-believers. There is no free will if we all believe in God.

You sort of veer off into the Truth yourself there, saying pretty much what I have, except it would be too late if we came face to face with God after having free will, yet had chosen to do evil. The mice don't play unless the cat's away. Out of sight, out of mind, etc. There is no sacrifice, animal, human or god, that can rectify an unrepentant heart--in fact it's evil to claim that it is. They didn't call Paul the beast for nothing.

I think the fact that everything in reality is in perfect harmony should ring some alarms. Atheists claim they use logic but where is the logic in thinking there is no God? Don't you find it at all curious how everything that we need is provided for us?

It's called evolution, survival of the fittest, adapt and thrive. If everything that's needed for life isn't available on one planet, it will evolve on a planet where it is.

Or....

 

[Aupmanyav]

That we as a species rely on God for our existence.

Our existence depends upon food and we have to work for that. God does not send food.

 

[prometheus11]

Because God had no choice. He has no free will to act in any way other than perfectly. God=inevitability.

 

[Aset's Flames]

Because God had no choice. He has no free will to act in any way other than perfectly. God=inevitability.

If his actions equal perfection, than the cosmos is a horrible evil place.