prometheus11
Well-Known Member
According to your perspective. (Mine too). But God resides in a higher dimension and therefore has a god perspective. Inevitability isn't a morally bound concept from our viewpoint.
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Why Did God Create Humanity?
- Thread starter Skwim
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Useless2015
Active Member
You have to work to watch vegetables and wheat grow? You think somehow humans are the cause? If humans would be in control, life would be much different. We aren't and never will be.
Also people in Africa are starving, are you saying that they don't work hard enough for food unlike you?
prometheus11
Well-Known Member
What does God "send?" Thats provable?
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
How do you mean ''provable''? Can you prove that my or someone elses religious experiences aren't real? Should people believe there own experiences, or random people who say such and such doesn't exist, etc?
prometheus11
Well-Known Member
You were the one making the claim. If you only want your claims about what God does and doesn't do to have as much weight as the words of a lunatic at an asylum who claims to have conversations with Elvis, that's fine by me.
Bird123
Well-Known Member
That's it; just a simple question.
Be creative if you wish or pull you answers from the religious book of your choice.
Personally, I think he was bored
and looking for attention
God knows what most every parent knows. Children make Life Grand!!
Skwim
Veteran Member
Then what in the world do you mean by ". . . we need Him for everything."?
Of course I took it literally because you meant
"If God would move the sun an inch further ,we would all be dead due to the fact that it would be too cold."
to be taken literally. Why else use such a precise figure? Your attempt here to back out isn't working, Useless.
And that's why your example falls on its face. It simply isn't true. Want to give a good example then make sure it's just that: good.
Sorry, but a foolish example is just that and nothing more. Want to shoot yourself in the foot? Fine, but then don't go telling others you were shooting blanks. HOWEVER, if your example was meant to "prove" god exists because we exist very nicely rather than not exist at all then I'm afraid your talking to the wrong person. Sometimes known as a version of the "Something rather than nothing" argument, it contends that god must exist because everything meshes together so nicely for us. Well, fortuitous circumstances and evolution can be said to have done the very same thing, and with evidence to back it up no less. Positing a god is completely superfluous.
Not at all sure what you mean by "perfect harmony," so tell me, what perfect harmony do you consider convincing?
The logic lies in recognizing the failure of those asserting there is a god to show this to be the case. Sound logic demands that all the relevant premises be true. If I told you that pink tigers were devouring all the newborn babies in Philadelphia would you believe me without compelling evidence to back it up? Not unless you were brain dead. Same goes for the assertion that god exists. Merely standing in amazement at how you see life around being in "perfect harmony" is not an argument.
Not at all. Considering that history plainly shows how much of a struggle it was years ago to merely stay alive, I fail to see your "everything that we need is provided for us." Throughout the ages children died in great numbers because they didn't have even the basics to survive on---in the middle ages the infant mortality rate was 30% - 50%. Even today we have starving children throughout the world who are in this very position, not even getting close to having "everything that we need." Moreover, in the middle ages the life span for women of high stature was only 43.6 years, and that of men, 48.7 years.
Skwim
Veteran Member
ThePainefulTruth
Romantic-Cynic
Well, there are those who think the welfare state is God y'know. But technically, you're correct.
ThePainefulTruth
Romantic-Cynic
No, God = Truth. God made the universe which has an Earth with both sunshine and rain, night and day, warm and cool--all of which are perfect opposites. I could go on.
No, the only source of evil in the universe is sentient self-aware creatures with free will. All animals and inanimate objects are innocent. God (if It exists) does not interact in the universe so does not cause good or evil.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
That is the problem, exact opposites. It is either floods or famine, death due to heat-strokes or due to excessive cold. We face this every year. God could have made the earth more equitable. But what is done is done. Do you think praying to God will rid us of all problems?
ThePainefulTruth
Romantic-Cynic
I say again, God (if It exists) can not, must not, interfere in the universe, the sole purpose of which is to be as a stage for exercising our free will.
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Why is free-will more important than the welfare of billions of people? Why should not/does not your God act?
prometheus11
Well-Known Member
And why does God always honor the free will of the mightier person over the free will of the weaker person.? Why doesn't God care about the free will of the small child that is abducted over the free will of the person who up ducks a chil over the free will of the person who abducts the child?
prometheus11
Well-Known Member
Abducts I meant
God created us for a reason similar to why loving people desire to have children. They want to share their love and happiness. The true God's primary motivation for all he does is love. As 1 John 4:7,8 explains; "love is from God, and everyone who loves has been born from God and knows God. Whoever does not love has not come to know God, because God is love." God wants to share his joy in living and loving by granting everlasting life to those he loves. (John 3:16)
ThePainefulTruth
Romantic-Cynic
Free will is the only way each of us, and God, can know what we really are without divine influence. God not intervening is a monument to It's commitment to free will and its importance. And if God does exist, there must also be a reward beyond this life that will put this all in perspective, that this is all just a blink in comparison.
There is no honoring the free will of one over another. It only seems like it for those who believe God does intervene, the belief in which is so ingrained in their early indoctrination and in the near universal belief that God does by the many manipulative "revealed" religions.
I equate God with Truth, one aspect of which is love. I think about love and wonder how it becomes so exclusive, considering the equal importance of other aspects of Truth like knowledge, justice and beauty. Are we all born with an equal passion for love, and none with greater affinities for those other aspects. Do any of those preclude us from being moral, good people? I believe all of us are born with inherent equal rights, but our equality ends there, as does any concept of fairness in this life. Above all, we judge ourselves, in the light of Truth, not on an absolute scale, but according to what we did with what we had. Neither God, nor we, want the companionship of cookie cutter personalities. Of all the billions who have lived on this Earth alone, no two souls are the same, at all. Now that's a miracle. Our pride should be in our divergent abilities, not in a social compulsion to conform. Society's only legitimate demand is that we contribute.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
So, God created us with faults, then he sent the flood to destroy nearly all, because we were not up to to his mark. Then he starts the process again, sends his son/his messengers to correct the fault. And gave us free-will and left it to us to correct faults. If we do not correct the faults, he fries us in olive oil for all eternity. And if we correct the faults, he wants us to sing his praises in heaven for all eternity. Sorry, what kind of logic God follows? I fail to understand him. I hope you understand his logic.