Massimo2002
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I mean God Didn't need to create humans so what is the point ?
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Why Did God Create Humans ?
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Does there have to be a point?
I think because he wanted there to be some form of intelligent life
By that I mean life that can build and design things, and communicate and think
I think if you put it like that it becomes less of a mystery
Massimo2002
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I suppose that there doesn't have to be a point. But for me it would be emotionally satisfying to actually know the point.
I think if there was a point then it would be essentially unknowable
I don't think any scripture has anything to say about why he did it, at least not Christian scripture which is the only scripture I'm personally familiar with
Not that I believe in scripture at all though.......
Because biodiversity, humans or otherwise, are the inevitable outcome of the workings of the gods, most especially in this case the Spirit of Evolution and the Spirits of Place and Time.
What exactly is The Spirit of Evolution?
The processes of biological evolution, as described by the sciences. That's not all that it is - human knowledge is limited - but the best understanding of it is through the sciences, probably.
Why call it a "spirit" rather than a "process"?
Because I'm a Pagan, a Druid, a polytheist, an animist. Everything is sacred, and all things that to you are "just" a process are sacred and divine to me (aka, they are gods/spirits). For the simple reason that they are greater-than-human forces and powers without which we wouldn't even be here having this conversation. If that isn't worthy of occasional reverence, awe, and thanks? I dunno what is.
That's interesting, thanks for sharing
dybmh
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It's pretty complicated, my friend. People write books about it.
Here's an idea I can offer, maybe it will help, maybe not.
Can God be a "monarch" without a nation?
Can God be a "parent" without children?
Can God be "benevolent" without any to nurture?
Can God be a "teacher" without any students?
The point I'm trying to make is, in order for God to be complete, literally complete, there are aspects of this which require an "other".
From here, it gets a little complicated, because, in order to be both benevolent AND a monarch simultaneoulsy, then these "others", the subjects of the kingdom, need to crown their monarch. They need to ordain their leader. That means the "others" must also have free-will to choose. That's basically why humans are needed. It cannot be any other life-form in order to satisfy both conditions benevolent-and-monarch.
The more attributes that are included, the more complicated it becomes. It also becomes complicated regarding the attribute of benevolence. If God is not benevolent, then, some of these ideas start to unravel. However there are ways to confirm that God must be not only benevolent, but actually omnibenevolent. This is perhaps the most complicated question of any that are asked here in the religious debate forum. ( How do you know that God is omnibenevolent? ) I have yet to encounter anyone with the patience to listen to the reasons in their entirety which produce that conclusion.
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VoidCat
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I sometimes wonder what if the gods created the earth out of boredom, drunkeness, or as a result of a bet? I also wonder if the platypus evolved because the gods wanted to pull a prank on humans trying to classify stuff.
I dont really care the reason for why the gods may have created the universe if at all but if they did there could be an infinite amount of reasons and plus multiple gods could have been involved not just one and if it's multiple then each deity involved have their reasons.
I dont really care the reason for why the gods may have created the universe if at all but if they did there could be an infinite amount of reasons and plus multiple gods could have been involved not just one and if it's multiple then each deity involved have their reasons.
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Trailblazer
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I do not believe that God literally created humans as creationists believe, I believe that humans evolved through the process of evolution, but I believe that God was behind that process, so in that sense God created humans.
Now to your question. I believe that God created humans out of His love for us.
God knew that He would love us before He created us, as is expressed in these verses.
3: O SON OF MAN! Veiled in My immemorial being and in the ancient eternity of My essence, I knew My love for thee; therefore I created thee, have engraved on thee Mine image and revealed to thee My beauty.
4: O SON OF MAN! I loved thy creation, hence I created thee. Wherefore, do thou love Me, that I may name thy name and fill thy soul with the spirit of life.”
The Hidden Words of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 4
Kelly of the Phoenix
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Ran out of fur?
Humans are life within nature, that is conscious of being alive. Humans are the only life, that I know of that can write information describing the experience of being alive. Humans have not been on the earth for as long as sharks for example but sharks cannot teach their offspring how to build rocket ships or read them a bed time story.
Mankind is life within nature, of nature, that created words and is capable of enabling knowledge to evolve/ develop.
By that process, eventually mankind will perfect understanding and comprehension of how it all works.
My summary is "Mankind is defining itself" and will be able to live forever and know it.
Trailblazer
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That is congruent with the Baha'i belief that God has never been without His creation, since God’s creation has existed from eternity.
Since we know that humans have not always existed that means that humans are only a part of God's creation.
“As to thy question concerning the origin of creation. Know assuredly that God’s creation hath existed from eternity, and will continue to exist forever. Its beginning hath had no beginning, and its end knoweth no end. His name, the Creator, presupposeth a creation, even as His title, the Lord of Men, must involve the existence of a servant.
As to those sayings, attributed to the Prophets of old, such as, “In the beginning was God; there was no creature to know Him,” and “The Lord was alone; with no one to adore Him,” the meaning of these and similar sayings is clear and evident, and should at no time be misapprehended. To this same truth bear witness these words which He hath revealed: “God was alone; there was none else besides Him. He will always remain what He hath ever been.” Every discerning eye will readily perceive that the Lord is now manifest, yet there is none to recognize His glory. By this is meant that the habitation wherein the Divine Being dwelleth is far above the reach and ken of any one besides Him.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 150-151
Trailblazer
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Baha'i scripture explains why God created humans, out of love, as I just explained in this post: #13I think if there was a point then it would be essentially unknowable
I don't think any scripture has anything to say about why he did it, at least not Christian scripture which is the only scripture I'm personally familiar with
Not that I believe in scripture at all though.......
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
It's because humans created God.
dybmh
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For young people:
Creation of the World-store.kehotonline.com
Publisher: It's Good to Know Publishing Written by: Leah Urso Illustrated by: Linda Stein Format: 7 x 10 Softcover, 48 pages Language: English
store.kehotonline.com
For older people:
Sefer Etz Chaim
Etz Chaim (Tree of Life) is a collection of the teachings of Rabbi Isaac Luria (Arizal) as recorded by his disciple, Rabbi Chaim Vital. It is the primary introduction, interpretation, and synthesis of Lurianic Kabbalah. The Shemonah Shearim (Eight Gates) was arranged by Rabbi Samuel Vital, the...
Etz Chaim (book) - Wikipedia
This might be a good synopsis: