Why did Jesus die again?

[waitasec]

Jesus died to satisfy justice...

consider this:

“There was a boy fighting in the Union Forces. 19 years old. Went to sleep on guard duty. And the opposition broke through and wiped out a whole flank of the army. Several hundred were killed, including some of the best friends of this young man. But he survived. Court-martialed. Sentenced to die. He expected to die. He thought it was only just that he die. And president Lincoln was ready to sign his death warrant for his execution and a little mother appears on the scene.
She says, “President Lincoln, when this war started, I had a husband and six sons. First I lost my husband, and one by one I lost five of my sons. Now I only have one son left and he’s sentenced to be executed with a firing squad because he went to sleep. He feels awfully badly, he lost some of his best friends and he expects to die. President Lincoln, I’m not asking for the sparing of this boy’s life for his sake, but for his mother’s sake. He’s all I have left. For my sake could you spare him?” President Lincoln said, “For your sake, little mother, I will spare him.” And as far as I know President Lincoln was never criticized for that decision.”

Why was Pres L not criticized? Why was it just for the 19yo to be let off the hook? It was just because a sacrifice was made... same for Jesus... we can be let off the hook, because a sacrifice was made.

because killing him for being human is inhumane....

 

[idea]

because killing him for being human is inhumane....

because he died for us, and it would be unjust not to repay him for what he died for.

 

[waitasec]

because he died for us, and it would be unjust not to repay him for what he died for.

if all this were true, i didn't ask him to.
this is not an offer for which i can refuse either. it is a threat.
believe or die....hmmmm.
there is no freedom in fear, imo.

 

[Midnight Pete]

I do not beliieve that Jesus literally died for our sins. He died, was buried, and rose again. His point was to prove the ressurection. His point was to prove that life is eternal beyond this physical world and beyond the perception of sin. "To conquer death, all you need to do is die." is what He said. It is true in a literal sense. After you are dead, regardless of where this may be, you have in fact moved past death and therefore conquered it. But to conquer death in life? You need only let die the concept of death. Jesus tried to show us that we are by design eternal. He tried to teach us that our physical death is an illusion. We do not die, we only change in form.

That's some strange Christology you've got there. Did you make it up yourself?

 

[Blackdog22]

Sin doesn't have physical properties. It's a concept. Concepts are invisible.

How is it that you are so literal-minded?

Pete, have you even read the original post? Good God man. Yes the Bible claims that sin has physical properties as I will outline for the 5th time in this post.

Death is a result of sin according to the Bible.

Being aware we are naked is a result of sin according to the Bible.

Snakes eating dirt and losing their legs is a result of sin according to the Bible.

Natural disasters are a result of sin according to the Bible.

Fending for ourselves and working for food is a result of sin according to the Bible.

Pain in child is a result of sin according to the Bible.

These things still exist, thus they couldn't of been atoned for. Jesus couldn't of died for the sins of Adam as the New Testament Paul states.

If you really, really don't know Genesis I can post all of the verses for you. I am not mad, but....Its the first thing you read when you open the book man....


Now if your arguing that everything that happened in Genesis was a metaphor you will have to explain for what. What is SIN WILL CAUSE PAIN IN CHILDBIRTH a metaphor for?

 

[crimsonlung]

Pain in childbirth is a result of sin according to the Bible.

I am pretty sure the pain is a result of the womans vagina stretching open 20 times its normal size, but hey, I'm no Doctor... :yes:

or a Christian for that matter.:run:

 

[Blackdog22]

I am pretty sure the pain is a result of the womans vagina stretching open 20 times its normal size, but hey, I'm no Doctor... :yes:

or a Christian for that matter.:run:

Lol, I tend to agree with you.

 

[BIG D]

yes, I've had a thread on this before..I see NO CHANGE

 

[BIG D]

yes, I've had a thread on this before..I see NO CHANGE at all since the so-called coming of jesus.....

 

[Blackdog22]

yes, I've had a thread on this before..I see NO CHANGE at all since the so-called coming of jesus.....

Yeah, it is odd. He died for something invisible I guess, but it couldn't of been sin. It is just.... If it wasn't sin then what did the guy die for? Why come to earth to die for something that never effects us on earth? That is like going to heaven to die for something from Mars that never effected mars to begin with. How does that even make sense?

 

[Member71934]

If there even was a Jesus, it’s difficult to tell which one was the correct one, if any interpretations or representations are even correct. What would make someone so sure of a particular representation? That’s what I want to know.

 

[mohammed_beiruti]

I often wonder about the idea that Jesus actually died for our sins. I am even more curious as to why people actually believe he accomplished that..

When talking about the reason why Christ had to die we need to go back to Genesis where the original sin took place. It is said that sin was brought in by a perfect man(Adam) and thus a perfect man(Jesus) was needed to take away that original sin. However, this is obviously not so.

When discussing whether Jesus actually took away the original sin I often ask people whether they actually know what the original sin was. The original sin according to Genesis included: Death, Pain in Childbirth, Snakes Eating Dirt and Losing Their Legs, A need work for our food, and the Earth being cursed; which many assume to mean natural disasters.

So we look around us and what do we notice. Do people still die? Yes. Do women still have pain during Birth? Yes, less so with drugs though. Do we have to work for food? Yes. Do Natural Disasters Exist? Yes. Then finally the double whammy, apparently if Jesus died for our sins then snakes not eating dirt would make sense, but their legs not growing back and the above "after effects" of the original sin still being present make very little sense.

If Jesus died for any sins it definitely wasn't the sins the Bible refers to in Genesis. So why did Jesus die again?

what about devil? why God didn't warned Adam from devil?

he should at first , have told him not to lestin to devil , because devil would deceive him about that tree.

the naive "Adam" beleived devil and ate from that tree!

 

[Kriya Yogi]

A better and more pertinent question is why did he live?

To answer your question its quite possible that he took on most of the humans sins, but that in my mind would be a far worse karmic consequence then what he received that day. I think he for sure took on his disciples sins as other Guru's have been known to do. They do it to help advance their disciples closer to God and free them from future suffering.

 

[Blackdog22]

A better and more pertinent question is why did he live?

To answer your question its quite possible that he took on most of the humans sins, but that in my mind would be a far worse karmic consequence then what he received that day. I think he for sure took on his disciples sins as other Guru's have been known to do. They do it to help advance their disciples closer to God and free them from future suffering.

He supposedly lived to take away our sins according to the Bible, thus this topic. I am confused by your statement.

I would ask if you know what sin is? Do you know that sin has physical properties ,according to the Bible, that can be observed with the human eye? If I were to say that I put water in a can and this made the can weigh 2lbs. This is something measurable, we have 2lbs that we can measure and a can that we can see. I then tell you that I am going to send someone to take the water out of the can and thus returning the can to its former glory of 12oz by the next day. You return to the can and find out it still weighs 2lbs and still contains water. Everything says that nothing happened. According to you what happened?

 

[Blackdog22]

what about devil? why God didn't warned Adam from devil?

he should at first , have told him not to lestin to devil , because devil would deceive him about that tree.

the naive "Adam" beleived devil and ate from that tree!

This question could use its own topic, but I have no idea why God didn't warn Adam or Eve of the talking snake. I have no idea why he let a snake in their to begin with. I think that God may of been high for most of the Old Testament.

 

[waitasec]

curious about something...
adam was cursed to die for eating the fruit yet he lived to be 900 plus yrs, so why are we dying by the age of 78 (in developed countries) on average today?
why did they get to live longer, since it was their fault we die in the 1st place?

edit: oops i realized this has nothing to do with the thread...sorry

 

[Blackdog22]

curious about something...
adam was cursed to die for eating the fruit yet he lived to be 900 plus yrs, so why are we dying by the age of 78 (in developed countries) on average today?
why did they get to live longer, since it was their fault we die in the 1st place?

edit: oops i realized this has nothing to do with the thread...sorry

Lol, I am not sure this can really go anywhere. It is something that I am not sure anyone can argue without making little sense. I would love to be surprised though and think that it could possibly be done.

Anyways, yeah... I guess God decided we deserved a harsher punishment for being born into sin then the people who caused the sin. Some logic God has .

Honestly man, there are so many points that can be brought up and have been that just make no sense at all. There is nothing to be said ,as far as I can see in my life, that can make any of this make sense. It just all seems too far fetched to even acknowledge it.

 

[Kriya Yogi]

He supposedly lived to take away our sins according to the Bible, thus this topic. I am confused by your statement.

I would ask if you know what sin is? Do you know that sin has physical properties ,according to the Bible, that can be observed with the human eye? If I were to say that I put water in a can and this made the can weigh 2lbs. This is something measurable, we have 2lbs that we can measure and a can that we can see. I then tell you that I am going to send someone to take the water out of the can and thus returning the can to its former glory of 12oz by the next day. You return to the can and find out it still weighs 2lbs and still contains water. Everything says that nothing happened. According to you what happened?

He lived to tell us how to get to God. The most important thing that he did was inspire in the hearts of many that there is a God and that even in those dark ages there was hope and a light and purpose to everyone's existance. Jesus served as an example to all who want to reawaken their God consciousness within and that there is a way. The one incident of his death was a symbol of his faith and power meanwhile showing to others that he was beyond the body and its aches and pains. Even in his darkest hours he was showing that he forgave them. Some say that the reason he went through those pains was because he was taking on all of humans sins. Some say that he was taking on his few direct disciples sins or at least some of them. I really don't think karmically he could have taken on ALL of everyone's sins past, present, and future and experienced them all in that one event. I think he was taking on some of peoples sins but most importantly was showing how immersed in God he was that even though he was betrayed by many he still forgave them all for what they did. He was showing that only God dwelled in his body, and no hatred, anger, or weakness could ever exist in him. Jesus didn't see his body as the only reality, but rather a vessel to reach down to lost souls on a material plain and show them that there is a way to freedom in God. He showed that in his life, while dying, and when he resuscitated.

 

[crimsonlung]

curious about something...
adam was cursed to die for eating the fruit yet he lived to be 900 plus yrs, so why are we dying by the age of 78 (in developed countries) on average today?
why did they get to live longer, since it was their fault we die in the 1st place?

edit: oops i realized this has nothing to do with the thread...sorry

I read somewhere that our bodies are meant to live around 200 years presently, but, the air we breath is much different then the smogless and pure air in those days. The food we eat is so full of steroids and preservatives that you see deformities in children.

Even me, I am 6'9'' (6 ft 9 in) but the rest of my family is below 5'11'', I somehow got this height but nobody know how, but I am pretty sure its the junk that's in our food.

I've read stories about poverty stricken Indians (dot not feather) that drank mineral water from the literal caves they lived in and lived to be 125+

We are killing ourselves.

 

[BIG D]

I read somewhere that our bodies are meant to live around 200 years presently, but, the air we breath is much different then the smogless and pure air in those days. The food we eat is so full of steroids and preservatives that you see deformities in children.

Even me, I am 6'9'' (6 ft 9 in) but the rest of my family is below 5'11'', I somehow got this height but nobody know how, but I am pretty sure its the junk that's in our food.

I've read stories about poverty stricken Indians (dot not feather) that drank mineral water from the literal caves they lived in and lived to be 125+

We are killing ourselves.

actually lifespans are getting longer, not shorter!!!