Why did the early church send greetings in God, and in Jesus Christ, instead of a trinity?

[Soapy]

Nonsense. You are making claims for and about your religious beliefs. Those claims are no different than the claims made by all theists of all religious beliefs.

Is your comment about debates with Muslims the beginning of a duck and dodge strategy?

I AM not sure what you are on about. I don’t debate with Muslims… I don’t anything about Muslimism (Islam) that I can talk about… I know they have ONLY ONE GOD and don’t debate who that one god is… unlike trinitarian Christians.

Why are you trying to be claiming that I’m trying to dodge a debate with a topic that is not part of Christianity… the only belief-based debate I do!!!?

Is it because you already lost the debate that you need to delve into frustrated diabolic accusations?

 

[ecco]

I AM not sure what you are on about. I don’t debate with Muslims… I don’t anything about Muslimism (Islam) that I can talk about… I know they have ONLY ONE GOD and don’t debate who that one god is… unlike trinitarian Christians.

Why are you trying to be claiming that I’m trying to dodge a debate with a topic that is not part of Christianity… the only belief-based debate I do!!!?

Is it because you already lost the debate that you need to delve into frustrated diabolic accusations?

My point was that it doesn't matter who you debate/discuss religious concepts with. Each little group will insist that their side is Right and the other sides are Wrong. Your specific little belief about the trinity is only one of thousands of differences among religious believers.

 

[Teritos]

So you believe this guy, Irenaeus, is defining ‘God’ as ‘Father and Christ’, as three-person trinity!!!?

You believe that Irenaeus believed that, ‘I and the Father are one’ proves a three-person trinity?

That ‘trinitarian Christians’ define “God” as “Him” who sat on the throne (God) and “the lamb looking as though slaughtered (Jesus), STANDING in front of the throne and among the elders (human holy men!).

And Irenaeus would have heard of the martyr, Stephen, when stoned (??!!) in vision, saw heaven open and saw: ‘GOD SEATED on the throne and Jesus STANDING next to him’.

And these two, in clear heirachially separate positions, constitute a trinity of persons as one co-equal almighty God?

So, Irenaeus didn’t consider a third person in a trinity because there was no such thing as a trinity of persons as one God… point to note that ETERNAL LIFE depends on believing that:

• “Father, …[is] The only true God”
• “Jesus Christ is Lord”

“God” and “Lord” are far different titled positions. And ‘Only True’ God purposes that ‘others can be called “God” but there is one and only one that is true’. And Jesus Christ, whom the only true God SENT, is not [included as] ‘only true God’, but only as “Lord”.

Going back.. where did Irenaeus derive the claim that the Father, together with Jesus Christ, spoke to Moses and manifested to the fathers?

And, in any case, Jesus BECAME ‘Christ’ after he was ANOINTED with the Holy Spirit which the Father SANCTIFIED him with.

What does ‘Anointed’ and ‘Sanctified’ mean?

The spirit of God within me has showed me the truth, he teached me and showed me Jesus is God. You don't have the spirit of God thus you can't see it.

 

[Soapy]

My point was that it doesn't matter who you debate/discuss religious concepts with. Each little group will insist that their side is Right and the other sides are Wrong. Your specific little belief about the trinity is only one of thousands of differences among religious believers.

So what are you accusing me of?

My belief about trinity is that it is false… No trinitarian can show credible reality or any kind of reality for their ideology. In every trinity believers reply to a question is a lie or twisted verse.

What are you saying to me…that I shouldn’t upset the trinity applecart? It’s my job to do just that!

 

[Soapy]

The spirit of God within me has showed me the truth, he teached me and showed me Jesus is God. You don't have the spirit of God thus you can't see it.

The Spirit of god taught you that two equals three?

It wasn’t the Spirit of ‘God’ that taught you.

Even common sense didn’t teach you.

 

[ecco]

So what are you accusing me of?

I am suggesting that you choose to ignore that all theists are completely certain that their views are right and the other guy's views are wrong.

My belief about trinity is that it is false…

You are probably not alone. However, the belief of millions of other Christians is that the Trinity is correct.

To an atheist, it is really funny that both sides of this issue get their beliefs from exactly the same set of stories.

What are you saying to me…that I shouldn’t upset the trinity applecart? It’s my job to do just that!

Do you really think you can upset any apple cart? Really? The best you can do is engage in some dialogs with people who know you are wrong just as you know they are wrong.

 

[Soapy]

I am suggesting that you choose to ignore that all theists are completely certain that their views are right and the other guy's views are wrong.







You are probably not alone. However, the belief of millions of other Christians is that the Trinity is correct.

To an atheist, it is really funny that both sides of this issue get their beliefs from exactly the same set of stories.



Do you really think you can upset any apple cart? Really? The best you can do is engage in some dialogs with people who know you are wrong just as you know they are wrong.

Your response is pointless. It’s amazing that a atheist should engage in a dispute between believers of a theology and try to claim that all theology is false.

Really, what’s your aim?

Have you gone over to the Islamic section and told them to stop believing in Islam?

Go over there… come back here if you are still in a condition to participate in a debate!!

 

[Muffled]

1. “Paul, Silas and Timothy, To the church of the Thessalonians in God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ:” (2 Thes 1:1)
2. “Grace and peace to you from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.” (2 Thes 1:2)

In 1., the apostle addresses the Father as ‘God’ and addresses Jesus Christ as ‘Lord’.

For a supposedly unbreakable doctrine expressing three persons as a one immutable, almighty worshipped being, it is odd that there the greeting is only to two persons, one only of whom is called ‘God’.

Where is the third person that makes a trinity?

Of course, this isn’t *THE ONLY* incredibly belittling error towards the third person by one only apostle to the Thessalonians because there are also these: (*Edit : error corrected by additional text*)

• “James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, To the twelve tribes scattered among the nations: Greetings.” (James 1:1)
• “Paul, a servant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ to further the faith of God’s elect and their knowledge of the truth that leads to godliness…” (Titus 1:1)
• “This letter is from Paul, a slave of Christ Jesus, chosen by God to be an apostle and sent out to preach his Good News.” (Romans 1:1)

And many more.

The last listed has the apostle Paul claiming himself as a slave of Jesus Christ … chosen by God!

Not only, again, is there only two persons mentioned, not a trinity three, but it is clear that these two are completely separate beings. One is GOD and the other is Jesus Christ.

How is it then claimed by world wide ideological groups calling themselves ‘Followers of [Jesus] Christ’ that GOD and Jesus Christ are GOD, and GOD, is three persons who are ONE IMMUTABLE GOD who must be worshipped. Yet there is no mention of a third person that would form a trinity of co-equal all powerful all knowing Being (singular!)

Did Jesus Christ ever claim that he was a ‘Three Person GOD’, with one of the other members called GOD, and that he must be worshipped as God?

Indeed, where is there an expression in the scriptures even saying to worship the third unnamed person? And, does anyone actually worship a third unnamed person of a claimed ‘holy trinity’?

And if there is no worship claim for either Jesus Christ, or the third unnamed trinity person, are the ‘Followers of [Jesus] Christ’ not guilty of sacrilege by disowning their own claims… and proudly denouncing baptism in the name of three persons by baptising in the name of ONLY ONE PERSON of the three person, only two named, one God (called ‘Father’), being entitled: “GOD”!

(Observation: God appears to be a member of the trinity God trio - which makes Jesus a recursive entity in God since he is the ‘Son of God’, and the same ‘God’ that he is the Son of… giving:

• God is “God, Jesus Christ, unnamed person”
  
• But Jesus Christ is ‘Son of God’
• So, God is “God, Son of God (who is God), unnamed other person’
• God is ‘God, God as Son, as God, ….’

Can anyone offer an explanation of this seemingly retched conundrum which passes itself off as ‘Christianity’ which purports to be what Jesus Christ taught and they follow?

I believe God is God and that explains it all.

 

[Soapy]

I believe God is God and that explains it all.

What does ‘God’, mean?

What does it mean to be, ‘God’?

Are there definitions of the word, ‘God’, that pertain to anything that is not Deity (a Worshipped One)?

 

[ecco]

Really, what’s your aim?

To show that your beliefs are no different than the beliefs of any and all theists. Those beliefs are like little kids yelling at each other: My dog is better than your dog. With theists it's my god is better, more real, et al than your god.

Have you gone over to the Islamic section and told them to stop believing in Islam?

I have made references to Muslims and Hindus in my posts to you in this very thread. Don't you remember that?

In any case, this thread is in Scriptural Debates. This is not a DIR. I cannot participate in a debate in the Muslim DIR.

Go over there… come back here if you are still in a condition to participate in a debate!!

So, you believe that Muslims can support their positions better than a Christian like you. That's interesting.

 

[Brian2]

Brian2, you mention John 17:8 I guess in a flawed effort at a trinity claim but which actually declares and proves that Jesus is not God.

I think John 17:8 was a mistake in the numbering. The verse I meant (John 17:5) was quoted as it is below but you ignored it, as you do with all the passages that show that Jesus was alive with the Father before His birth as a man.
John 17: 5 And now, Father, glorify Me in Your presence with the glory I had with You before the world existed.
You even ignore the part of John 17:8 which shows Jesus came from God and was sent from God.
John 17:8 For I gave them the words you gave me and they accepted them. They knew with certainty that I came from you, and they believed that you sent me.

“For the Father loves the Son and shows him all he does. Yes, and he will show him even greater works than these, so that you will be amazed.” (John 5:20)
The Father SHOWS the Son… and even what the Father has shown the Son so far, the Son says there is far more the Father has to show him such that the world will be amazed. Meaning that the Son is STILL being taught…!

Hardly a case for a GOD to be TAUGHT… except, of course, if he is a PAGAN god!!!

This has got nothing to do with being taught how to do things, it is about the Son being given authority by the Father to do things, and that authority comes when the Son sees the Father so certain things, then He knows it is time for Him to do them also.

You will see that when Jesus was involved in the raising up of the dead (or ‘sleeping’) ones, Jesus always prayed to the Father for the Holy Spirit. Jesus and the Scriptures explained why he did that:

• “Lord,” Martha said to Jesus, “if you had been here, my brother would not have died. But I know that even now God will give you whatever you ask.” (John 11:22)….
• “Yes, Lord,” she replied, “I believe that you are the Messiah, the Son of God, who is to come into the world.” (John 11:27)….
• “Then Jesus said, “Did I not tell you that if you believe, you will see the glory of God?” So they took away the stone. Then Jesus looked up and said, “Father, I thank you that you have heard me. I knew that you always hear me, but I said this for the benefit of the people standing here, that they may believe that you sent me.” (John 11:40-42)

What the above extract shows is that Martha believed that GOD would GIVE Jesus what was necessary to raise up Lazarus. She acknowledges that Jesus is THE MESSIAH… (the Messiah IS NOT GOD) She believed that Jesus was the Son of God (The Son of God IS NOT GOD).
Jesus, moved by the love shown to Lazarus, and being a friend of Lazarus, CRIED OUT TO GOD for the ability to raise up Lazarus (temporarily … as Martha said, ‘I know he will be raised up at the last day’… this was not that Last Day… Lazarus died again at some time in his life afterwards, obviously). So Jesus’ ‘raising up of the dead’ was temporary. No one who Jesus raised up lived forever… they all died because this was NOT the LAST DAY… the true resurrection was assigned to Jesus BY GOD as well as the judgement … these two acts were GRANTED to the Son BY GOD:

• “For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself.” (John 5:26)
• “And he has given him authority to judge because he is the Son of Man.” (John 5:27)
• “Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son,” (John 5:22)

Now when it suites you, you go back to John 5 being about the authority that the Son has been given by the Father and not about the Father teaching the Son how to do things.
And of course you forget that the Son had become a man, a servant, and so had to be given the power from the Father to raise the dead and heal people and walk on water etc. THAT is the reason that Jesus was anointed by the Holy Spirit, so that He would have the power for the work that He had been sent from heaven to do.
The fact is that Jesus was the Christ a long time before He was baptised and received the Holy Spirit. He had been appointed, anointed to be the Christ before the foundation of the world and so was the Christ, the anointed one to come from that time.
Those who believe were also chosen before the foundation of the world but we did not exist then so our choosing was different to the Son who was with the Father before the foundation of the world. (John 17:5)

‘And you believe that the Father sent me!’

The ‘Sending from the Father’ was after Jesus was anointed by the Father:

• “You know what has happened throughout the province of Judea, beginning in Galilee after the baptism that John preached how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him.“ (Acts 10:37-38)

Here is a profound declaration that it was by the anointing that Jesus gained the powers that allowed him to carry out the acts he performed. This is compounded by the powers the Apostles received when they too were anointed by Holy Spirit at Pentecost.

These powers are not a direct personal fleshly advantage. It means that the Holy Spirit infuses the individual according to the strength of their belief. Jesus, of course, was infused with the FULL MEASURE of the Holy Spirit…:

• “The Father was pleased that the son should be filled with the fullness of the Holy Spirit’
• “And a voice was heard from Heaven saying “This is my Son in whom I am well pleased” as the holy spiritual slighted on Jesus in a light fluttering breeze like that produced by a dove.

The apostles, it will be noted, only received measured portions and therefore only specific powers according to their strength of belief. And the Holy Spirit anointed them with tongues of fire and wind and thunder… unlike Jesus’ anointment. (Why do Pentecostal churches this use a Dove for their Bible logo when it was Tongues of fire that was the anointing at Pentecost???)

Yes the Son as a man had to be given the power to do the miracles that He did. So.
I just explained that the Son was with the Father before the foundation of the earth and was chosen, appointed to be the Christ way back then. The anointing of Jesus as His baptism did not make Him the Christ, it gave the man power, just as it gave the apostles power.
You should really stop ignoring the verses which tell us of the pre existence of the living Son before He was sent to earth.

So, you see, no one, not even the most staunch believer in Jesus Christ, the messiah, believed that Jesus was GOD…. Yet hundreds and thousands of years later groups called Trinitarians claim a lie that he was ALMIGHTY GOD IN FLESH!!!

Why would I see that if you have not shown that Jesus was not God?

Heresy, scandal, blasphemy, pagan worship of the created being…

‘For they change the truth into a lie and worship the created being and place the created soul on the throne of God calling him God when he himself claimed he was not… nor should there be a reason to deny what he is not nor any reason to claim that he was when no one at the time ever really claimed him to be so… An emissary who claims he is the king who SENT HIM to speak the words of the king… is a dangerous emissary … this emissary is the trinitarian Jesus-God’.

All through the New Testament there are scriptures that show that people believed Jesus to be God, YHWH.
You know, all those scriptures you ignore.
The claim of Jesus to be the Son of God was a claim to equality with His Father and the Jews knew that and wanted to kill Jesus for such a claim.
Thomas also knew that and knew Jesus was his God.

 

[rational experiences]

After Rome rich and in control of temple pyramid technology ignoring advice from their equal human family life sacrificed attack by radiation fall out conditions. The manifestation of unnatural metals above ground......he taught his own self that as God owned pressured seams, what was sewn into the body of God was sacred and also holy and never change it.

As he knew space the Holy Mother had allowed mass to form by pressure and remain whole.

So whole and holy and hole are all word associated as self evident.

Rome saw the event the day the sky went dark....huge rendering earthquakes.....and then day light returned as the void was activated by cause build up of radiation and gases burning.

Why gas burning fall out sacrificed life cell blood and living conditions.

Knew. Said the Holy tree of life, the generation of oxygen a Christ symbol Holy Ox...in the beast terms....holiness had started to burn. All evidence given.

Then Satan asteroid wandering star breaking up hit Rome in the times of Nero. All evidence proven.

They then produced the law to stop all forms of alchemy practiced as that was the particle moment where evil began itself by human man lying choices. Satanists...today the title is a scientist.

Science never existed, the reason O mass owned the determined statement Numbers and space 0 empty was just nothing a zero.

To do a reaction you passed it through space, known.

So the idea never O can a human add onto mass + the cross. All adding answers for science then involved a minus which is + into answer of the cross add = to - minus what he said was one.

O to abstract from one 1 is the mass by 1 was the minus. His Numbered science quote. Why Numbers are evil as they are not in fact real.

As the thesis is to begin by the first law change being heat application. Why it was termed Satanism only...the isms.

So man learnt by His Holy Father the terms of the eternal.

The eternal was the body in which the womb sat and the burnt body of God who went to hell what was removed out of the eternal. Space now owned the separation.

Our heavens on Earths O God spatial ground zero plane refilled the space with a form of spiritual return that made Earths heavens to become with the eternal but less than the eternal. Forcing spirit form out of the body itself.

The eternal by Father memory said 3 bodies existed in One form to state one form itself can never own just form to define change can only come about as multi forms existed in one body.

Trinity teaching. Real and Holy and came about by awareness.

The eternal was the mass. Within the one body is the eternal Creator spirits and the language was the third spirit.

So we were taught we came about by the spirit of the language of the Creator who released us. And humans were a mini body version of that spirit.

So Trinity then said a Holy Father human and a Holy Mother human equalled a holy baby. Three.....as sexual presence was inconsequential. Holy baby was pertinent first.

The Father self said I am a Father adult man and I own a baby man son and I live in the Holy spirits ghosts just a ghost body the Heavens. Trinity. The same for the female or any bio form living within Earths Heavens.

As a Holy lived notified human warning about life sacrificed from the Moses Jewish Egyptian pyramid science history to its repractice.

Life irradiated again in the Roman event was then irradiated again in the returned Bahai notified event. Why the life mind of the irradiated brain is proven changed and becomes possessed by the status radiation fall out that man caused himself.

Knowing the truth that once Earth was attacked when no life existed by the Sun. And the flooded Earth rid the UFO effect of its mass presence by the force of a huge body evaporating one way, pushing and keeping the Ufo body voiding until it totally was gone.

What we were taught against the evils of human men believing science created creation.

 

[Soapy]

I think John 17:8 was a mistake in the numbering. The verse I meant (John 17:5) was quoted as it is below but you ignored it, as you do with all the passages that show that Jesus was alive with the Father before His birth as a man.
John 17: 5 And now, Father, glorify Me in Your presence with the glory I had with You before the world existed.
You even ignore the part of John 17:8 which shows Jesus came from God and was sent from God.
John 17:8 For I gave them the words you gave me and they accepted them. They knew with certainty that I came from you, and they believed that you sent me.



This has got nothing to do with being taught how to do things, it is about the Son being given authority by the Father to do things, and that authority comes when the Son sees the Father so certain things, then He knows it is time for Him to do them also.

Now when it suites you, you go back to John 5 being about the authority that the Son has been given by the Father and not about the Father teaching the Son how to do things.
And of course you forget that the Son had become a man, a servant, and so had to be given the power from the Father to raise the dead and heal people and walk on water etc. THAT is the reason that Jesus was anointed by the Holy Spirit, so that He would have the power for the work that He had been sent from heaven to do.
The fact is that Jesus was the Christ a long time before He was baptised and received the Holy Spirit. He had been appointed, anointed to be the Christ before the foundation of the world and so was the Christ, the anointed one to come from that time.
Those who believe were also chosen before the foundation of the world but we did not exist then so our choosing was different to the Son who was with the Father before the foundation of the world. (John 17:5)



Yes the Son as a man had to be given the power to do the miracles that He did. So.
I just explained that the Son was with the Father before the foundation of the earth and was chosen, appointed to be the Christ way back then. The anointing of Jesus as His baptism did not make Him the Christ, it gave the man power, just as it gave the apostles power.
You should really stop ignoring the verses which tell us of the pre existence of the living Son before He was sent to earth.



Why would I see that if you have not shown that Jesus was not God?



All through the New Testament there are scriptures that show that people believed Jesus to be God, YHWH.
You know, all those scriptures you ignore.
The claim of Jesus to be the Son of God was a claim to equality with His Father and the Jews knew that and wanted to kill Jesus for such a claim.
Thomas also knew that and knew Jesus was his God.

You say I’m ignoring scriptures saying Jesus is Yahweh… well, I’m not ‘ignoring them, that’s because There are no scripture verses saying Jesus is Yahweh.

If you think so then show me.

 

[Brian2]

You say I’m ignoring scriptures saying Jesus is Yahweh… well, I’m not ‘ignoring them, that’s because There are no scripture verses saying Jesus is Yahweh.

If you think so then show me.

So now you ignore my whole post so that you can claim I said something I don't think I said.
I could show scriptures which tell us Jesus is YHWH but I think I said that you ignore the scriptures which tell us that Jesus was with the Father before being sent to earth.
How about speaking about those scriptures.

 

[moorea944]

So now you ignore my whole post so that you can claim I said something I don't think I said.
I could show scriptures which tell us Jesus is YHWH but I think I said that you ignore the scriptures which tell us that Jesus was with the Father before being sent to earth.
How about speaking about those scriptures.

I really not getting what your saying...
You say that Jesus is Yahweh, but then you spin around and say that he was with the father....
Well, what is it? Is he God and was he with God, cant have both..... It even sounds like even your confused on this matter.........

Doesnt scripture tell us that there is only one God? And then... his son? Maybe we should just believe in that.....

 

[Soapy]

So now you ignore my whole post so that you can claim I said something I don't think I said.
I could show scriptures which tell us Jesus is YHWH but I think I said that you ignore the scriptures which tell us that Jesus was with the Father before being sent to earth.
How about speaking about those scriptures.

Brian2, are you ok?

“Don’t ignore [me]!”…you say? (paraphrased)

You sound like someone going insane.

Oh, of course, if you are going insane you wouldn’t know it… sorry I asked!!

Ok, I just asked you to show me the scriptures which say that Jesus is Yahweh.

Im eager to see those scriptures you say prove your case! I can’t understand how I missed them all these years I’ve been reading the Bible and studying Christianity.

 

[Brian2]

Brian2, are you ok?

“Don’t ignore [me]!”…you say? (paraphrased)

You sound like someone going insane.

Oh, of course, if you are going insane you wouldn’t know it… sorry I asked!!

Ok, I just asked you to show me the scriptures which say that Jesus is Yahweh.

Im eager to see those scriptures you say prove your case! I can’t understand how I missed them all these years I’ve been reading the Bible and studying Christianity.

I will say that YHWH alone stretched out the heavens and spread the earth (Isa 44:24) but at Heb 1:10 we find that the heavens are the work of Jesus hands.
I will say that Jesus has and inherited the name above all names and everyone will worship Him at the mention of His name. Phil 2:9-10
This name belongs to Jesus because everything that the Father has belongs to the Son. (John 16:15)
Jesus is the stone of stumbling and rock of offence (1Peter 2:8) and this is YHWH according to Isa 8:14.
It is YHWH who is coming to judge the earth in the OT and is Jesus who is coming to judge the earth in the NT.
Psalm 98:9 Before the LORD, for He is coming to judge the earth;
He will judge the world with righteousness
And the peoples with equity.
Zech 14:2 I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be taken from the city. 3 Then the Lord will go out and fight against those nations, as he fights on a day of battle. 4 On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half of the mountain moving north and half moving south. 5 You will flee by my mountain valley, for it will extend to Azel. You will flee as you fled from the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the Lord my God will come, and all the holy ones with him.

I hope you will now answer me about John 17:5 and Phil 2:5-7 . There are many more but these will do for a start.

 

[paarsurrey]

Why did the early church send greetings in God, and in Jesus Christ, instead of a trinity?

But Jesus and Mary didn't do any of these, please. If yes then kindly quote from Jesus's own writing in first person or having dictated to anybody by Jesus, please. Right?
I understand that it was started by the Deviant Paul and or by the Pauline-Church as these worked Anti-Jesus as their mission against Jesus truthful teachings, I understand, please. Right?

Regards

 

[Brian2]

Why did the early church send greetings in God, and in Jesus Christ, instead of a trinity?

But Jesus and Mary didn't do any of these, please. If yes then kindly quote from Jesus's own writing in first person or having dictated to anybody by Jesus, please. Right?
I understand that it was started by the Deviant Paul and or by the Pauline-Church as these worked Anti-Jesus as their mission against Jesus truthful teachings, I understand, please. Right?

Regards

Why do you ask these things when you know that Jesus did not write things or dictate to someone,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,except through the Spirit of God who came to believers after Jesus died and rose again?
You understand wrong about Paul. Paul and the apostles of Jesus agreed about the gospel message and what happened in Jesus life. The writers of the gospels also either were witnesses to Jesus or got information from witnesses.
The truth is that Muhammad's teachings are anti Jesus and anti gospel message.

 

[Muffled]

What does ‘God’, mean?

What does it mean to be, ‘God’?

Are there definitions of the word, ‘God’, that pertain to anything that is not Deity (a Worshipped One)?

For me God means Johovah, Jesus and the Paraclete.