Why Did The Mormon Church Become Involved In The Proposition 8 Battle?

[Autodidact]

Nothing can be forced on anyone.

So I can marry my sweetheart now? Oh, wait, you've forced us not to. And here I thought you meant what you said.

 

[Autodidact]

Why ask me?

Don't remember whether it was you that was speaking out against my love or someone else.

And what's your excuse? I've never given you a single reason to dislike me and yet when you are marginally civil towards me, I find myself wondering if maybe you think you're actually talking to someone else. I know a lot of atheists on this forum who actually like me. Should I group them all together and whine about how they are so hateful?

Katz: People are condeming my love, the best, purest, truest thing in my life, and calling it all kinds of awful things. All of them are religionists, and tell us that the reason they hate our love is because of their religion. I don't need an excuse.

 

[Autodidact]

This is why the LDS church got involved.

PUBLIC AFFAIRS: At the outset, can you explain why this whole issue of homosexuality and same-gender marriage is important to the Church?

ELDER OAKS: This is much bigger than just a question of whether or not society should be more tolerant of the homosexual lifestyle. Over past years we have seen unrelenting pressure from advocates of that lifestyle to accept as normal what is not normal, and to characterize those who disagree as narrow-minded, bigoted and unreasonable. Such advocates are quick to demand freedom of speech and thought for themselves, but equally quick to criticize those with a different view and, if possible, to silence them by applying labels like “homophobic.” In at least one country where homosexual activists have won major concessions, we have even seen a church pastor threatened with prison for preaching from the pulpit that homosexual behavior is sinful. Given these trends, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints must take a stand on doctrine and principle. This is more than a social issue — ultimately it may be a test of our most basic religious freedoms to teach what we know our Father in Heaven wants us to teach.

Wow, what a hypocrite! Let me get this: if someone criticizes or disagrees with him, they're trying to deny him freedom of speech! He's the one trying to deny them freedom of speech. Speaking for myself, I fight long and hard to defend his freedom of speech, even while I disagree with everything he says. Maybe he's just too dumb to understand what freedom of speech is.

No one's asking his Church to change a thing. If they think Gay sex is wrong, it's easy--don't engage in Gay sex. To try to prevent me from doing the same is immoral and un-American.

Oh, I spot the waffle word now, "may." What a liar.

 

[Apex]

Don't remember whether it was you that was speaking out against my love or someone else.

Katz: People are condeming my love, the best, purest, truest thing in my life, and calling it all kinds of awful things. All of them are religionists, and tell us that the reason they hate our love is because of their religion. I don't need an excuse.

Just because the people who are condemning your love are theists does not give you the right to condemn all theists in return. You are merely trying to justify your own hatred and bigotry with their hatred and bigotry.

 

[Autodidact]

13 If thou wilt ...hold out faithful to the end, thou shalt be saved ...(Doctrine and Covenants | Section6:13)


would you ever stop trying to help those around you?

I agree. That's why I spend millions of dollars supporting anti-Mormon legislation. It's because I love you, idea, and I want to save you. I just want to help you. Mormonism is treatable.

 

[Autodidact]

"In order for evil' to prevail, all that need happen is for good' people to do nothing"

silence is a form of acceptance.

And that's why I oppose you and everything you stand for. I refuse to accept your immoral, unpatriotic bigotry.

 

[Autodidact]

How do you define love? Is it loving to enable someone to harm themselves?

Please explain how I'm harming myself. Try to confine yourself to reality, rather than your Mormon fantasy system (the one I'm trying to save you from, because I love you so much.)

 

[Autodidact]

I did not call any person an abomination, I called certain actions an abomination.

Like hypocrisy, bigotry, dishonesty--abominable. Please stop committing them.

 

[Autodidact]

So "good people" are supposed to judge "bad people" of being undeserving of their civil rights?

Exactly. And that's why it's so important to deny civil rights to idea.

 

[Autodidact]

People who understand what marriage is about should help those who do not yet have an understanding avoid following a path they will later regret.

not "judge not" just "do not judge wrongfully"

18 And now, my brethren, seeing that ye know the light by which ye may judge, which light is the light of Christ, see that ye do not judge wrongfully; for with that same judgment which ye judge ye shall also be judged.
(Book of Mormon | Moroni7:18)

there is no question that practicing homosexuality is an abomination to God. We do not have to judge this, God has already judged it for us.

gotta run. FHE time

It's a thought disorder, idea. Help is available. Reach out to Ex-Mormons and be saved.

 

[Katzpur]

Alright then, if the behavior choice is to marry someone of the same sex, would they be excommunicated?

Yes.

As for heterosexuals being excommunicated for adultery, why then would they not push for stricter state laws punishing adultery?

Beats me. That's a good question. It's a very good question.

The point being, what the church does within its walls concerning the lives of its members is its own business. Involving itself in the private affairs of non members by pushing for state laws banning same sex marriages is putting its nose where it does not belong.

Have you read any of my posts? That's what I've been saying.

 

[Autodidact]

Beats me. That's a good question. It's a very good question

Could it be a word that rhymes with Zipocracy?

It's kind of the same reason that Christians don't push for laws against divorce--that would cause them problems. Much easier to control other people than yourselves.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

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