Why did the world reject the Messiah when He Did come?

[loverofhumanity]

So basically be on the guard for all people besides yourself? That seems a little paranoid.

Any person causing trouble.

 

[Vinayaka]

Any person causing trouble.

What's trouble? I cause a lot of trouble for the Bahai's on here. Can I assume your guy is protecting you from people like me? If so, apparently he isn't doing that great of a job of it, cause I'm still here.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Did they not recognize Him as earlier prophesied in the Old and the New Testament an in all past scriptures?

Baha'is see that it has happened, but not as people have expected.

Maybe that humanity as a whole will now finally understand as to how a Messenger of God, is always rejected?

This is a rewording of another thread in this topic.

The vision for this thread embraces a wider audience, all of Humanity. We also have the Dates of AD1844 and AH1260 as a starting point.

Regards Tony

Most religions in the world don't care about the Bible or have a concept of a messiah or savior, so it's irrelevant to most religions. You don't seem to understand this simple fact. Jews reject Jesus because he didn't fulfill the prophecies. He was a failure.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Christ Jesus is the Shaman of the entire Humanity.

Jesus has nothing to do with shamanism.

 

[loverofhumanity]

What's trouble? I cause a lot of trouble for the Bahai's on here. Can I assume your guy is protecting you from people like me? If so, apparently he isn't doing that great of a job of it, cause I'm still here.

You don’t cause any trouble at all.

We don’t have any individual leaders in our religion.

The Bahá’í institutions have no authority over people who are not Baha’is so they can only intervene in Bahá’í matters.

 

[Vinayaka]

You don’t cause any trouble at all.

We don’t have any individual leaders in our religion.

The Bahá’í institutions have no authority over people who are not Baha’is so they can only intervene in Bahá’í matters.

No real authority over you, either. Free will gives you the choice to listen or not.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Most religions in the world don't care about the Bible or have a concept of a messiah or savior, so it's irrelevant to most religions. You don't seem to understand this simple fact. Jews reject Jesus because he didn't fulfill the prophecies. He was a failure.

This is a key thought about answering this OP question.

The Messiah in the Bible is to bring peace and harmony to all humanity. The Bible talks of One People, with One God, embracing one Name.

How can this be so given the Diversity of Faith, a diversity we perceive to be impossible to reconcile?

Then we can consider all Faiths have much the same promise, a day of peace and harmony. Some wait for the Messiah, it could be who others also wait for, but in a different name, a different frame of reference.

Then a Message was given to the world, a Message that brings that reconciliation and shows all Faith is from One God and all Names merge.

From what I have read, it will not care for a long time, but then an event will come upon humanity that will cause all the limbs of mankind to quake, it will be that event when mankind realises they are in this life together and must help each other.

I have had some dreams lately where there is quite large rocks and debris raining from the sky. My guess about what we will face is a major shift in the earth's crust, that will also change the earth's axis and the cities will not survive this event.

Thus should the world care? Will it care?

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

If there was a messiah, and he was an immortal earth king who would heal us and guide us for as long as we were here, what would people make of it? Would it be fantastic? Such a king could rule the nations, and emit enough wisdom to fill a book a week, and cure the diseased by the dozen. No one would starve, he would fill every basket with bread daily, and every holiday flask with wine

They choose our hearts and not earthly rule. The cure is offered, we must want to partake of that cure. Free will is free choice.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

What's trouble? I cause a lot of trouble for the Bahai's on here. Can I assume your guy is protecting you from people like me? If so, apparently he isn't doing that great of a job of it, cause I'm still here.

You are absolutely no trouble to me and I would say to any Baha'i Vinayaka. The great thing is, we all get to learn from every interaction we participate in.

I see that we have no idea how we all play a part in how God's Will for humanity unfolds. I see the part we play is known by God and the thus the choices are offered.

Have you considered why you choose to keep posting comments to Bahai?

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

No real authority over you, either. Free will gives you the choice to listen or not.

That is true.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Who is the mischief-maker?

I see this is the wolf in sheep's clothing. It is those that offer deception for personal gain.

That quote may be aimed at the Covenant Breakers.

Regards Tony

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Then we can consider all Faiths have much the same promise, a day of peace and harmony.

Mine doesn't. I don't know why you can't seem to grasp the simple fact that most religions are not Abrahamic and do not have the same concepts. You don't seem interested in actual dialogue, but just preaching and ignoring what others say.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Mine doesn't. I don't know why you can't seem to grasp the simple fact that most religions are not Abrahamic and do not have the same concepts. You don't seem interested in actual dialogue, but just preaching and ignoring what others say.

That's quite OK, you can make your own choices and choose your own religion.

These choices determine how a person answers this thread.

It is also an indication why the Messiah may have been missed.

Regards Tony

 

[Vinayaka]

Have you considered why you choose to keep posting comments to Bahai?

Have you considered why you ask me that question? I've already answered it at least twice.

Have you considered seriously why you post on RF?

 

[Vinayaka]

I see this is the wolf in sheep's clothing. It is those that offer deception for personal gain.

That quote may be aimed at the Covenant Breakers.

Heroes to some. Mischief makers to others. It's all about perception.

 

[paarsurrey]

So basically be on the guard for all people besides yourself? That seems a little paranoid.

I understand that one should be on guard from the evil in one's own self also.

Regards
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[12:54]وَ مَاۤ اُبَرِّیٴُ نَفۡسِیۡ ۚ اِنَّ النَّفۡسَ لَاَمَّارَۃٌۢ بِالسُّوۡٓءِ اِلَّا مَا رَحِمَ رَبِّیۡ ؕ اِنَّ رَبِّیۡ غَفُوۡرٌ رَّحِیۡمٌ ﴿۵۴﴾
‘And I do not hold my own self to be free from weakness; for, the soul is surely prone to enjoin evil, save that whereon my Lord has mercy. Surely, my Lord is Most Forgiving, Merciful.’
The Holy Quran - Chapter: 12: Yusuf

 

[paarsurrey]

loverofhumanity said: ↑
Well I was half right. Not only protect us from our own ignorance but from the harm of the mischief maker also.

“That which beseemeth man is submission unto such restraints as will protect him from his own ignorance, and guard him against the harm of the mischief-maker.”
Bahá’u’lláh

I see this is the wolf in sheep's clothing. It is those that offer deception for personal gain.

That quote may be aimed at the Covenant Breakers.

Regards Tony

The question is who took the covenant from Covenant Breakers and on what and whose authority? That is also important. Right, please?

Regards

 

[Vinayaka]

I understand that one should be on guard from the evil in one's own self also.

Regards
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[12:54]وَ مَاۤ اُبَرِّیٴُ نَفۡسِیۡ ۚ اِنَّ النَّفۡسَ لَاَمَّارَۃٌۢ بِالسُّوۡٓءِ اِلَّا مَا رَحِمَ رَبِّیۡ ؕ اِنَّ رَبِّیۡ غَفُوۡرٌ رَّحِیۡمٌ ﴿۵۴﴾
‘And I do not hold my own self to be free from weakness; for, the soul is surely prone to enjoin evil, save that whereon my Lord has mercy. Surely, my Lord is Most Forgiving, Merciful.’
The Holy Quran - Chapter: 12: Yusuf

Sure, for you. I don't consider it evil though. Once you're living at a certain point, it is impossible to go down that low. But to guard against what the Hindu terms anava is true. Anava is like the dark envelope around people and souls, the ego, selfishness. But it's not evil like murdering, malice, causing pain without remorse. Nothing that dark. Just a state of awareness where the soul isn't moving forward.

My Guru's applicable quote, I think. "I'm not interested in how high you can go. I'm only interested in how low you can go." So once the soul attains a certain level of dharma, it indeed is actually impossible for them to go lower than a certain chakra's intensity. We all have that in us, but at various levels.

 

[Spartan]

You don't seem to understand this simple fact. Jews reject Jesus because he didn't fulfill the prophecies. He was a failure.

Nonsense. Jesus fulfilled a number of important Messianic prophecies during his life and resurrection, and he will fulfill the remainder at the Second Coming.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Nonsense. Jesus fulfilled a number of important Messianic prophecies during his life and resurrection, and he will fulfill the remainder at the Second Coming.

There is no "second coming" in the Jewish prophecies. The messiah does it all in one lifetime and doesn't come back the dead. He is also just a normal human, not some demigod. He is just a great leader of his people like King David in the tales about him.