Why Didn't God Leave Huge Quantities of Secular Evidence For Jesus?

[Subduction Zone]

That's not a virgin birth. Talk:Demigod - Wikipedia

Why not? How does your link support your claim?

 

[rational experiences]

Man. A human. Talking about man a human first is reflective thinking.

Then man who invented science to discuss his beliefs for design for science encoded machine AI effect.......reflective feedback.

Sciences claim I am copying.

Status to copy never invented mass.

Mass he named in nuclear science 12gas burning light fake.

As light gas in a natural vacuum constant was not any count.

Cannot...never did ....
Copy mass.

Simply put you are a liar.

Our brother is a man first

Spiritual
Healthy.
Of his own origin.

Says my parents came from a spirit place once.

God came from the same spirit place once.

We are spiritual beings. Came from the eternal. Inherited our karma.

The eternal was changed.

The teaching why life got sacrificed spiritually. We came from the eternal it could not help us.

Reasoning.

Science said no such status spirit

Science burnt evolution produced evil spirit.

Proved we came from a place of spirit

We know we are no evil.spirit as humans witnessed it's manifestation.

Jesus is just a text about a spiritual man who taught . We use titles to explain reasons.

He said he was not special.

Science thinks it's special full of egotists. As humans. Humans who even claim they are not a human.

Said image belonged to God history.

His story thought as man science.

Said God as a story about planet earth.

Said God gases spirit made the image of man when he did an evil science act.

Is not the alien image that came as returned UFO mass from space. Burnt God spirits. Gases. Harmed the angels and made them fall.

Image man with the angels.

Exactly how it was taught.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The Bible says that the fool says in his heart that there is no God. It never says that expression by itself.

Good, now you should understand why there are not 300 prophecies of Jesus in the Bible.

By the way, that is only two of the cases at the most of the 15 where the Bible says "there is no God", since I do believe that particular claim was made twice. You still have 13 more to find.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Why would the rabbis think that Bethlehem has to do with there being three Messiahs if the Messiah wasn't born in Bethlehem?

What? You seem to be rather confused again. The Rabbis did not appear to believe that. You forgot that according to the rabbis of that time Jesus was not the Messiah.

 

[Skywalker]

You have been lied to. There are not 300 prophecies of Jesus. The vast majority of the so called prophecies are merely examples of quote mining. By that standard you should not believe in God since the Bible says fifteen different times "there is no God".

Jesus was rejected by the Jews and the Bible mentions the Messiah being a man of sorrows who was rejected by Israel. Messianic Prophecies Fulfilled by Yeshua

Rejected by Israel.
Tenakh/Hebrew Scripture
Isaiah 8:14, And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.

Psalm 118:22-23, The stone which the builders refused is become the head stone of the corner. This is the LORD's doing; it is marvellous in our eyes.

Isaiah 28:16, Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation...

 

[rational experiences]

Good, now you should understand why there are not 300 prophecies of Jesus in the Bible.

By the way, that is only two of the cases at the most of the 15 where the Bible says "there is no God", since I do believe that particular claim was made twice. You still have 13 more to find.

How many converting spaces are factored into a Conversion of present energy as God mass. Before you machine follow your own science man instructions to convert mass,?

By design.

As God never designed its body to ask a man Scientist to remove it.

What natural law is.......
Presence.

As spaces or zero factoring as 10101010? Seeing science said God is 10?

Design by the way human forced upon God mass was always science.

 

[Skywalker]

Why not? How does your link support your claim?

Jesus was fully God and fully human. Hercules wasn't. He was a descendant of one of the Greek gods and a woman.

 

[rational experiences]

Jesus was rejected by the Jews and the Bible mentions the Messiah being a man of sorrows who was rejected by Israel. Messianic Prophecies Fulfilled by Yeshua

History says Jesus a king was poor.

The man teacher said life was dying from stigmatas due to God king stone jewel EL God removal of Sion. It's fusion in pyramid temple technology.

Radiation angel meaning gas of God falling out burning.

Rich elite ignored his teaching claimed he was lying. Elite treat the sick with little compassion in reality even cringe at some illnesses. Human behaviour.

Until maths proved science would cause an earthquake. As underground plates unsealed. Volcanic mass arose. The natural God O planet owned cross. Cross of the four seasons by two. Two seasons.

The day vacuum made sky go dark.

Copying I want highest coldest spirit heavens. Not burning. Effect. To cool converting burning God gases in reactions.

Reactive science burning sacrificed light.

Activated equals answer

God lost the same energy mass as what he converted in science as natural vacuum pressure changed. Answer always equals what God gives back.

Rome and Israel ignored Jesus revelations due to human greed. Exactly what occurred in the past.

 

[SeekingAllTruth]

What evidence is there that they did that? While we don't know that they didn't, we also don't know that they did. All viewpoints involve faith.

Exactly. It's a "Which came first, the chicken or the egg?" type of situation. Did they or didn't they? From my point of view (probably Subduction's too, although I don't want to speak for him) it's more believable to think the writers just lifted random passages out of the OT and worked a few of the completely unrelated phrases and words (like 30 shekels of silver and Potter and field) into a storyline that the writers have created. Watch. I'll give you an example:

7 They are terrible and dreadful: their judgment and their dignity shall proceed of themselves.


8 Their horses also are swifter than the leopards, and are more fierce than the evening wolves: and their horsemen shall spread themselves, and their horsemen shall come from far; they shall fly as the eagle that hasteth to eat.


9 They shall come all for violence: their faces shall sup up as the east wind, and they shall gather the captivity as the sand.


10 And they shall scoff at the kings, and the princes shall be a scorn unto them: they shall deride every strong hold; for they shall heap dust, and take it.

Sounds like a fierce conquering people coming into Israel and conquering them. In my gospel I decide that this is a prophecy about the Romans conquering Israel 400 years after it was written. Now watch: here's a prophecy about Rome's downfall because they were a haughty people full of pride. Pax Romana indeed!

The pride of your heart has deceived you,
you who live in the clefts of the rocks
and make your home on the heights,
you who say to yourself,
‘Who can bring me down to the ground?’
4 Though you soar like the eagle
and make your nest among the stars,
from there I will bring you down,”
declares the Lord.

Rome's insignia was a golden eagle. Rome officially fell in 476 CE because of her pride and corruption. In my story Israel is finally free of Roman rule after 600 years or so. It's all prophecy fulfilled, right?

So was this prophecy about Rome written 400 years earlier that was fulfilled OR did I just interpret it that way to demonstrate my hero in my gospel and then borrow the scriptures to prove my hero was prophesied to defeat Rome? What do you think, Skywalker?

You can say, "Your prophecies are not real prophecies BUT my prophecies are real--they're about Jesus." That would be a little biased on your part, wouldn't it?

 

[Skywalker]

It’s a theological point in Mark. Jesus becomes more vulnerable the closer he comes to Jerusalem.

Jesus was fully God and fully human. That's why Jesus seemed vulnerable at times in the Bible. Why did Jesus cry out, "My God, My God, why have you forsaken Me?"

Why did Jesus cry out, “My God, My God, why have you forsaken Me?”
by Matt Slick | Dec 11, 2008 | Jesus, Questions

In Matthew 27:45-46, it says, “Now from the sixth-hour darkness fell upon all the land until the ninth hour. 46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?” that is, “My God, My God, why have you forsaken Me?” If Jesus is God, why would He say this?

Jesus quoted Psalm 22:1 which begins with, “My God, My God, why have you forsaken Me?” Jesus quoted this Psalm in order to draw attention to it and the fact that He was fulfilling it there on the cross. Consider verses 11-18 in Psalm 22:

“Be not far from me, for trouble is near; For there is none to help.12 Many bulls have surrounded me; Strong bulls of Bashan have encircled me. 13 They open wide their mouth at me, As a ravening and a roaring lion. 14 I am poured out like water, And all my bones are out of joint; My heart is like wax; It is melted within me. 15 My strength is dried up like a potsherd, And my tongue cleaves to my jaws, And Thou dost lay me in the dust of death. 16 For dogs have surrounded me; A band of evildoers has encompassed me; They pierced my hands and my feet. 17 I can count all my bones. They look, they stare at me; 18 They divide my garments among them, And for my clothing they cast lots.

The term ‘dogs’ was used by the Jews to refer to Gentiles (cf. Matt. 15:21-28). His heart has melted within Him (v. 14). During the crucifixion process, blood loss causes the heart to beat harder and harder and become extremely fatigued. Dehydration occurs (v. 15). Verses 16b-18 speak of piercing His hands and feet and dividing His clothing by casting lots. This is exactly what happened as described in Matt. 27:35.

 

[Skywalker]

Exactly. It's a "Which came first, the chicken or the egg?" type of situation. Did they or didn't they? From my point of view (probably Subduction's too, although I don't want to speak for him) it's more believable to think the writers just lifted random passages out of the OT and worked a few of the completely unrelated phrases and words (like 30 shekels of silver and Potter and field) into a storyline that the writers have created. Watch. I'll give you an example:

7 They are terrible and dreadful: their judgment and their dignity shall proceed of themselves.


8 Their horses also are swifter than the leopards, and are more fierce than the evening wolves: and their horsemen shall spread themselves, and their horsemen shall come from far; they shall fly as the eagle that hasteth to eat.


9 They shall come all for violence: their faces shall sup up as the east wind, and they shall gather the captivity as the sand.


10 And they shall scoff at the kings, and the princes shall be a scorn unto them: they shall deride every strong hold; for they shall heap dust, and take it.

Sounds like a fierce conquering people coming into Israel and conquering them. In my gospel I decide that this is a prophecy about the Romans conquering Israel 400 years later. No wwatch: here's a prophecy about Rome's downfall because they were a haughty people full of pride. Pax Romana indeed!

The pride of your heart has deceived you,
you who live in the clefts of the rocks
and make your home on the heights,
you who say to yourself,
‘Who can bring me down to the ground?’
4 Though you soar like the eagle
and make your nest among the stars,
from there I will bring you down,”
declares the Lord.

Rome's insignia was a golden eagle. Rome officially fell in 476 CE because of her pride and corruption. In my story Israel is finally free of Roman rule after 600 years or so. It's all prophecy fulfilled, right?

So was this prophecy about Rome written 400 years earlier that was fulfilled OR did I just interpret it that way to demonstrate my hero in my gospel and then borrow the scriptures to prove my hero was prophesied to defeat Rome? What do you think, Skywalker?

What evidence is there that the authors of the Bible wrote the scriptures in a way to fit their beliefs? Believing that Jesus died for our sins isn't convenient. It's easier to believe that he was a good man or a prophet, than to admit we need a Savior.

 

[SeekingAllTruth]

What evidence is there that the authors of the Bible wrote the scriptures in a way to fit their beliefs? Believing that Jesus died for our sins isn't convenient. It's easier to believe that he was a good man or a prophet, than to admit we need a Savior.

My evidence is exactly the same as your evidence, because both were either real prophecies about Jesus and Rome OR we authors borrowed OT scriptures and wove our storyline around them.

 

[Skywalker]

My evidence is exactly the same as your evidence, because both were either real prophecies about Jesus and Rome OR we authors borrowed OT scriptures and wove our storyline around them.

There isn't evidence that they wove their storyline into the prophecies. Those who say that believe in other interpretations of the Old Testament, which don't have any more proof. Jewish Christian - Wikipedia

Most of Jesus's teachings were intelligible and acceptable in terms of Second Temple Judaism; what set Christians apart from Jews was their faith in Christ as the resurrected messiah.[19] While Christianity acknowledges only one ultimate Messiah, Judaism can be said to hold to a concept of multiple messiahs. The two most relevant are the Messiah ben Joseph and the traditional Messiah ben David. Some scholars have argued that the idea of two messiahs, one suffering and the second fulfilling the traditional messianic role, was normative to ancient Judaism, predating Jesus. Jesus would have been viewed by many as one or both.

 

[sojourner]

Jesus was fully God and fully human. That's why Jesus seemed vulnerable at times in the Bible. Why did Jesus cry out, "My God, My God, why have you forsaken Me?"

Jesus was quoting Psalm 22. And that’s not what Mark had in mind.

 

[Skywalker]

Jesus was quoting Psalm 22. And that’s not what Mark had in mind.

Jesus weeping for Jerusalem was because of their rejection of him. That doesn't make him seem weak. Psalm 34:18 says, "the Lord is close to the brokenhearted".

 

[sojourner]

Jesus was rejected by the Jews and the Bible mentions the Messiah being a man of sorrows who was rejected by Israel

It’s a mistranslation. The Messiah was a “man of sorrels.” Jesus didn’t breed chestnut-colored horses. Therefore, not the Messiah, according to the Jews.

 

[Skywalker]

It’s a mistranslation. The Messiah was a “man of sorrels.” Jesus didn’t breed chestnut-colored horses. Therefore, not the Messiah, according to the Jews.

Where does the Tanakh say that? Messianic Prophecies Fulfilled by Yeshua

Man of sorrows who was wounded for our transgressions.
Tenakh/Hebrew Scripture
Isaiah 53:4-5, Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

Isaiah 53:10 says, Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, and he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.

Isaiah 53:12 says, ...he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

Isaiah 53:8, ...for the transgression of my people was he stricken.

Br'it Chadashah/New Covenant
II Corinthians 5:21..he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

I John 2:2, And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

I John 3:5, And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.

I Peter 2:24, Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree [cross], that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

 

[sojourner]

Where does the Tanakh say that? Messianic Prophecies Fulfilled by Yeshua

Equestrians, chapter 3

 

[sojourner]

Jesus weeping for Jerusalem was because of their rejection of him. That doesn't make him seem weak. Psalm 34:18 says, "the Lord is close to the brokenhearted".

What does this have to do with my post? Your posts seem to have trouble staying on track.

 

[Skywalker]

What does this have to do with my post? Your posts seem to have trouble staying on track.

You mentioned Jesus being vulnreable in correlation to Jesus being weak and not a God.