Why Didn't God Leave Huge Quantities of Secular Evidence For Jesus?

[Pilgrim Soldier]

So in your world, "ALL" means not all, right?

That's right, everyone makes up their own interpretation, this is why we have 35 denominations who all disagree with each other

 

[Skywalker]

So, basically you're saying that Jesus did not fulfilled one of the most, if not the most important, prophecy, being a descendant of David.

Joseph was a descendant of Solomon and he was legally the father of Jesus.

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

Not a single apostle is recorded in the secular historical record, NOT ONE. They were imaginary. If you can cite one secular historian that even mentions a single apostle, let alone their deaths then do it. I guarantee you and everyone else here 1000% you cannot do it because I have investigated it for years and haven't found anything. The apostles were imaginary, made up out of the gospel writers' minds.

I have never trusted secular historians, so I'm not interested in anything they have to say

 

[Subduction Zone]

The Bible existed before its printed forms. Did God Only Inspire the Original Autographs of the Bible?

So now you should understand your error.

 

[Subduction Zone]

It wasn't after the King James Bible, but it was after the original Bible manuscripts.

Nope, once again by your "logic" the Avestar is older since it predates the Gutenberg Bible. Try being more consistent.

 

[Subduction Zone]

That's right, everyone makes up their own interpretation, this is why we have 35 denominations who all disagree with each other

There are far more than 35.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I have never trusted secular historians, so I'm not interested in anything they have to say

Every time that you are shown to be wrong your story changes. Why is that?

 

[night912]

I have never trusted secular historians, so I'm not interested in anything they have to say

So you don't believe that George Washington was the commander in chief during the American revolutionary war?

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

Every time that you are shown to be wrong your story changes. Why is that?

I haven't been proven wrong anywhere, except for your mind and that's perfectly fine with me

 

[Subduction Zone]

I haven't been proven wrong anywhere, except for your mind and that's perfectly fine with me

Of course you have. You simply change the topic and run away when it happens.

 

[Skywalker]

Nope, once again by your "logic" the Avestar is older since it predates the Gutenberg Bible. Try being more consistent.

The original autographs of the Bible were written before the Avesta. Did God Only Inspire the Original Autographs of the Bible?

The Bible was completed with the Book of Revelation in A.D. 96. The first bound Book of the Scriptures (called a codex) was produced on parchments (animal skins) in the 2nd century.

 

[Subduction Zone]

That's right, everyone makes up their own interpretation, this is why we have 35 denominations who all disagree with each other

And thousands of denominations with minor differences. That should tell you something:

The Facts and Stats on 33000 Denominations: World Christian Encyclopedia (2001, 2nd edition)

 

[Subduction Zone]

The original autographs of the Bible were written before the Avesta. Did God Only Inspire the Original Autographs of the Bible?

Nope, try again. The "original autographs" of the Avesta appear to be even older. Actually they are pretty close to the same age, but Zoroastrianism still predates Christianity by about 500 years. Zoroaster is from the 5th century BCE. If you look into the Bible it is far younger than Christians claim that it is. It is not the oldest religious book or religion in the world.

Zoroastrianism - Wikipedia

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

So you don't believe that George Washington was the commander in chief during the American revolutionary war?

I never took the time to research anything about insignificant historical events. It makes no difference if George Washington was the commander and chief or a street sweeper. He is dead and he has nothing more to offer. There are far more important things to invest our time in, then reading the lives of dead men.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I never took the time to research anything about insignificant historical events. It makes no difference if George Washington was the commander and chief or a street sweeper. He is dead and he has nothing more to offer. There are far more important things to invest our time in, then reading the lives of dead men.

As long as you are consistent that may not be a problem.

 

[SeekingAllTruth]

I have never trusted secular historians, so I'm not interested in anything they have to say

Naturally.

 

[SeekingAllTruth]

That's right, everyone makes up their own interpretation, this is why we have 35 denominations who all disagree with each other

You left off several zeros. Try 35,000 different Christian denominations. That should tell you Jesus set up a perfect church down here.

 

[Skywalker]

Nope, try again. The "original autographs" of the Avesta appear to be even older. Actually they are pretty close to the same age, but Zoroastrianism still predates Christianity by about 500 years. Zoroaster is from the 5th century BCE. If you look into the Bible it is far younger than Christians claim that it is. It is not the oldest religious book or religion in the world.

Zoroastrianism - Wikipedia

The Avesta came after both the Christian and Jewish scriptures. Are the ideas of Jesus and Christianity borrowed from Mithra and Zoroastrianism? | GotQuestions.org

The only source for Zarathustra’s teachings is the Avesta, and the oldest copies we have of the Avesta date from the 13th century AD. The late date for this collection of writings lends no support whatsoever to the idea that Christians borrowed from Zoroastrianism (the oldest copies of the Jewish Scriptures that we have today date centuries before Christ, and the oldest complete manuscripts of the Christian Scriptures we have date from the 4th century AD).

 

[Subduction Zone]

The Avesta came after both the Christian and Jewish scriptures. Are the ideas of Jesus and Christianity borrowed from Mithra and Zoroastrianism? | GotQuestions.org

My source says that they are the same age as the Old Testament and definitely predate the New Testament. You were the one that brought up the "original autographs" claim. By that standard you are wrong.

 

[Skywalker]

My source says that they are the same age as the Old Testament and definitely predate the New Testament. You were the one that brought up the "original autographs" claim. By that standard you are wrong.

What difference does it make if the writings that are older than the Avesta aren't the original manuscripts? Did God Only Inspire the Original Autographs of the Bible?

Some “experts” today (who think they're smarter than God) claim that a copy [translation] of God's Word cannot be inspired, but that is untrue. Yes, a translation of the originals can be inspired. “Inspiration” means that God got a hold of the head of those men, the heart of those men, and the hand of those men, and guided them to say what He wanted them to say!