Subduction Zone
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You tried to use a failed argument that it was younger. This is very bad behavior on your part. A Christian should own up to his errors.
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Why Didn't God Leave Huge Quantities of Secular Evidence For Jesus?
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That doesn't mean that Zoroastrianism copied Christianity.
Subduction Zone
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You need to try to discuss this properly and quit looking for excuses to believe. Only the weak in faith need excuses to believe.
There is only circumstantial evidence at best that Jewish beliefs about Satan came from Zoroastrianism. There are no Jewish writings that mention the influence of Zoroastrianism.
If Christian writings talked about the influenced of Zoroastrianism that would be evidence that believing in Jesus is copied from Zoroaster but there is no evidence that supports that.
Subduction Zone
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So what? A person can be convicted on circumstantial evidence alone. There is quite a bit of evidence that the early Hebrews picked up quite a bit of their theology during the Babylonian captivity.
Babylonian captivity - Wikipedia.
Subduction Zone
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This is simply a huge non sequitur.
The Avestar predating the Gutenberg Bible doesn't mean that the original manuscripts copied the Avestar.
A lot of people have been exonerated too.
Subduction Zone
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The original manuscripts of the Bible came before the Avestar.
Direct evidence would be the Bible talking about the influence of Zoroaster.
Pilgrim Soldier
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I can't have a rational discussion with someone who refuses to look at evidence which contradicts their own preconceived ideas
Subduction Zone
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Projection. I will gladly look at evidence, but I have found that fundamentalists especially do not understand the concept.
Your claims were refuted, do you need me to go back and quote them to you again? You first claimed that the Bible told you that all of the apostles were martyred except for John. You now know that is not the case. It only listed one. I could go over your various claims that have been refuted and where you never owned up to your errors. Hmm, it appear that the person that will not look at evidence is you not me.
Subduction Zone
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Too bad that you cannot find a valid source that supports that claim. Remember, sources based on history only. No apologetics, also known as Liars for Jesus allowed.
Pilgrim Soldier
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I said there was around 30 main denominations, there are close to 40,000 independent denominations. Yes most don't agree with each other, that just proves that Jesus was right when He said "many will come in my name, preaching the doctrine of Demons" He also said that many will come to Him on the day of judgement, professing to be Christians but He will say "depart from me into the everlasting lake of fire, for I never knew you".
He also said, the path to destruction is very broad and many travel on it, but the path to heaven is very narrow and very few find it. So we can see that the vast majority of these denominations are actually false Christians, they preach the doctrine of demons. Their god is the prince of this world, Satan.
Pilgrim Soldier
Active Member
I'm a Christian so I know the Bible much better than you ever will. The Bible did say that the disciples and all flowers of Christ will be persecuted and executed. The Bible is not a book of statistics, where it names every individual martyr and the method of execution. You would need another separate book to record all of that irrelevant information.
Subduction Zone
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No, you did not. You might have meant to but this is what you said:
"That's right, everyone makes up their own interpretation, this is why we have 35 denominations who all disagree with each other"
No editing, that is a quote of your entire post.
Pilgrim Soldier
Active Member
That's right, Jesus did establish His Church and every single Christian will inherit eternal paradise. The Church has been growing ever since He established it, today it's growing faster than ever before.
Your problem with the Church is, you have a false view of what the Church is. The Church is not a denomination or ethnic group, it's a body of believers from every age. We are all one body with Christ as our head.
I can understand why 90% of Christians will get a rude shock on judgement day. They thought that making a profession of faith would give them a ticket to heaven, but it's not that simple.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
LOL!! Oh my, no, no, no. I used to be a Christian and one of the reasons that I am no longer a Christian is that I probably understand the Bible better than you do.
And please, when you want to make a definitive claim please link and quote your source when applicable.
If you study the topic you will find that most martyr stories are just church tradition. They are not historical at all.