Why Didn't God Leave Huge Quantities of Secular Evidence For Jesus?

[Subduction Zone]

The creation is proof of the Creator. Everything that exists has such an order and a purpose that it can't just exist, there has to be God who designed everything.

Nope, you are assuming that the universe was created. There is no evidence of an intelligent being behind the formation of the universe. Nor is there any purpose to the universe.

 

[SeekingAllTruth]

The creation is proof of the Creator. Everything that exists has such an order and a purpose that it can't just exist, there has to be God who designed everything.

This argument would have no traction in a roomful full of secular scientists.

 

[Skywalker]

This argument would have no traction in a roomful full of secular scientists.

To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David. The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork. Psalm 19:1

The creation declare the glory of God. Science shows that the universe is so complex that there had to be a Creator, because there can be no change of kinds. There is only small changes within species.

 

[Skywalker]

Nope, you are assuming that the universe was created. There is no evidence of an intelligent being behind the formation of the universe. Nor is there any purpose to the universe.

There is purpose to everything that exists in nature. Without the trees we couldn't survive, and vice versa.

 

[Aupmanyav]

The moral law comes from God.

A fallacy. Ethics and morals are instituted by societies.

There is purpose to everything that exists in nature. Without the trees we couldn't survive, and vice versa.

Why did your God had to create trees and humans?

 

[Skywalker]

A fallacy. Ethics and morals are instituted by societies.
Why did your God had to create trees and humans?

The ethics and morals that society institutes comes from universal moral principles that apply to all people in all times and places.

God does everything with an order and a purpose. Everything in nature has order and purpose and design.

 

[We Never Know]

Nope, you are assuming that the universe was created. There is no evidence of an intelligent being behind the formation of the universe. Nor is there any purpose to the universe.

How did the universe come to be?
If your say a singularity, then I will ask what did the singularity exist in? For example you exist in Washington, which exists in the United States, which exists in North Anerica, which exists on earth, which exists in the solar system, which exists in the milky way galaxy, which exists in the universe,,, so everything exists in something.

Then I will ask where did all the energy and matter that made/makes up everything come from? Did matter and energy always exist or did all matter and energy come into existence in a zeptosecond^1000 after the big bang?(keep in mind neither can be created or destroyed).

Then my next question will be what happened that started the big bang expantion?(was it energy that existed before or did the big bang create energy?)

Give me your thoughts. Not parroted hypothesis.

 

[Aupmanyav]

The ethics and morals that society institutes comes from universal moral principles that apply to all people in all times and places.

That is what I have always been saying, but some of our Christian friends (URAVIP2ME) think differently and say 'morals are from Bible'. Now this is an ignorant assertion.

 

[Subduction Zone]

How did the universe come to be?
If your say a singularity, then I will ask what did the singularity exist in? For example you exist in Washington, which exists in the United States, which exists in North Anerica, which exists on earth, which exists in the solar system, which exists in the milky way galaxy, which exists in the universe,,, so everything exists in something.

Then I will ask where did all the energy and matter that made/makes up everything come from? Did matter and energy always exist or did all matter and energy come into existence in a zeptosecond^1000 after the big bang?(keep in mind neither can be created or destroyed).

Then my next question will be what happened that started the big bang expantion?(was it energy that existed before or did the big bang create energy?)

Give me your thoughts. Not parroted hypothesis.

The full details are not known.

A lack of knowledge is never evidence for a god.

 

[SeekingAllTruth]

To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David. The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork. Psalm 19:1

The creation declare the glory of God. Science shows that the universe is so complex that there had to be a Creator, because there can be no change of kinds. There is only small changes within species.

Behold your ancestors

 

[We Never Know]

The full details are not known.

A lack of knowledge is never evidence for a god.

Exactly! Many times its better to admit its not known instead of claiming otherwise. The same can be said about a god, its not known.

 

[We Never Know]

There is purpose to everything that exists in nature. Without the trees we couldn't survive, and vice versa.

You can't really claim there is a purpose for the universe but you can claim eveything in the universe has a purpose.

 

[We Never Know]

Behold your ancestors

By your illustration we see from left to right from one to the next... bigger, smaller, bigger, smaller, bigger.
Why do you suppose that it happened that way?

 

[Subduction Zone]

There is purpose to everything that exists in nature. Without the trees we couldn't survive, and vice versa.

That is not purpose. That is merely nature. The trees do not exist for us.

Exactly! Many times its better to admit its not known instead of claiming otherwise. The same can be said about a god, its not known.

Have I stated that there is no god? You may be confused because specific versions of god can be refuted. For example if God can't lie then the "God" of Noah's Ark fame does not exist. That doesn't mean that God doesn't exist. Many Christians conflate their personal God being refuted with all versions of God being refuted.

 

[Subduction Zone]

By your illustration we see from left to right from one to the next... bigger, smaller, bigger, smaller, bigger.
Why do you suppose that it happened that way?

Changing environments.

 

[We Never Know]

Changing environments.

So do you think our successor will be bigger or smaller?
We will have a successor, evolution shows that.

 

[We Never Know]

That is not purpose. That is merely nature. The trees do not exist for us.

Have I stated that there is no god? You may be confused because specific versions of god can be refuted. For example if God can't lie then the "God" of Noah's Ark fame does not exist. That doesn't mean that God doesn't exist. Many Christians conflate their personal God being refuted with all versions of God being refuted.

You claim they take the bible literally which shows its false. But don't you also have to take the bible literally to claim its false?

 

[SeekingAllTruth]

By your illustration we see from left to right from one to the next... bigger, smaller, bigger, smaller, bigger.
Why do you suppose that it happened that way?

God couldn't make up his mind? Seriously, I don't know.

 

[We Never Know]

God couldn't make up his mind? Seriously, I don't know.

We don't know is to me the best answer.

 

[SeekingAllTruth]

We don't know is to me the best answer.

That's a good answer. Worthy of a "Winner".