Why didn't god stop Super Storm Sandy?

[1robin]

I'm not confusing anything. If one believes the scriptures that describe God they have to consent the scriptures, the words of God, are either true or they're not. No equivocation involved.

Ephesians 1:11 In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will,

Daniel 4:35 All the inhabitants of the earth are accounted as nothing, and he does according to his will among the host of heaven and among the inhabitants of the earth; and none can stay his hand or say to him, “What have you done?”

I believe they are true and have never equivolated since I was born again. However your interpretations are another matter entirely. I have no idea what relevance these verses have concerning a hurricane. Why don't you tell me what you think these are saying and maybe that will clear things up a bit. By the way the way you formatted the quotes in your post it was confusing. If you need any help quoteing things please just ask, but not spelling, I can't help with grammer at all.

 

[NIX]

Athena's in charge now.

 

[somethingNiftyhere]

I believe they are true and have never equivolated since I was born again. However your interpretations are another matter entirely. I have no idea what relevance these verses have concerning a hurricane. Why don't you tell me what you think these are saying and maybe that will clear things up a bit. By the way the way you formatted the quotes in your post it was confusing. If you need any help quoteing things please just ask, but not spelling, I can't help with grammer at all.

No, I know how to format a post. It's the server that failed to implement the quote brackets correctly in my former post.

As to the scripture I shared there:

Ephesians 1:11 In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will,

Daniel 4:35 All the inhabitants of the earth are accounted as nothing, and he does according to his will among the host of heaven and among the inhabitants of the earth; and none can stay his hand or say to him, “What have you done?”

I'd say it pretty much speaks to the issue of the storm as relates to those who ask why didn't God stop it.

Especially applicable is the verse of Daniel wherein it answers those who would ask why has God allowed this? ("What have you done?")

 

[Willamena]

He had his head buried in his iPod.

 

[Rakhel]

He had his head buried in his iPod.

No no no. he hit the wrong app... you know how sensitive those screens are

 

[1robin]

No, I know how to format a post. It's the server that failed to implement the quote brackets correctly in my former post.

It has erased several long posts I have made in the past completely.

As to the scripture I shared there:



I'd say it pretty much speaks to the issue of the storm as relates to those who ask why didn't God stop it.

Especially applicable is the verse of Daniel wherein it answers those who would ask why has God allowed this? ("What have you done?")

Since you would not explain in what way those verses applied to the storm issue, then I assume that you were either saying that God caused it, or that a person will no more get an answer than Job, concerning the storm. If it is that you think those verses are saying that God actively caused them, then I dissagree emphatically. If it is the second then I agree. Which one was it or is their another angle I missed.

 

[Muffled]

Perhaps there is something to learn from the story of " the three little Pigs"

or the parable of the person who built his house on sand.

 

[Muffled]

Athena's in charge now.

Is that the wrath of a jealous woman? NJ and NY had too many pretty women? (or too many democrats? right before the election)

 

[seeking4truth]

"Why does God allow people to die?"

It'd be a bit crowded if we didn't.

 

[Skwim]

"Why does God allow people to die?"

It'd be a bit crowded if we didn't.

God's initial plan was for humanity to live forever.

Genesis 1:17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
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But! A&E royally screwed up god's plan, and made sure that everyone would eventually die.

Genesis 2: 19 in the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
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[Muffled]

"Why does God allow people to die?"

It'd be a bit crowded if we didn't.

That appears to be a Malthusian concept. The planet is already crowded. The nweather channel points out that there are more people living in danger zones than ever before so it is more likely that more people will die from catastrophes.

Then there is the Biblical passage that says something to the affect that a disobediant people will be spit out by the land.

Jer 23:10 For the land is full of adulterers; for because of swearing the land mourneth; the pastures of the wilderness are dried up. And their course is evil, and their might is not right;

 

[Skwim]

That appears to be a Malthusian concept. The planet is already crowded. The nweather channel points out that there are more people living in danger zones than ever before so it is more likely that more people will die from catastrophes.

Then there is the Biblical passage that says something to the affect that a disobediant people will be spit out by the land.

Jer 23:10 For the land is full of adulterers; for because of swearing the land mourneth; the pastures of the wilderness are dried up. And their course is evil, and their might is not right;

Along with all the innocent.

 

[1robin]

That appears to be a Malthusian concept. The planet is already crowded. The nweather channel points out that there are more people living in danger zones than ever before so it is more likely that more people will die from catastrophes.

Then there is the Biblical passage that says something to the affect that a disobediant people will be spit out by the land.

Jer 23:10 For the land is full of adulterers; for because of swearing the land mourneth; the pastures of the wilderness are dried up. And their course is evil, and their might is not right;

I have heard several times that the entire population of the Earth could fit in a space the size of an average US county. Don't know if that is true and it does not prove anything but just thought I would throw it in as it is interesting.

 

[1robin]

Along with all the innocent.

Even if that was the case the innocent will spend eternity in Heaven. With God there is hope that in the end all will be put right and justice will prevail. Without God we are simply a biological anomalie and no rights, equality, meaning, purpose, destination, or the sanctify of life exist in the universe and justice is never established and eventually the universe ends in heat death.

 

[NIX]

'God's' Nature is exactly what you see around you.

 

[subhumn]

Maybe God didn't stop Sandy because Sandy was manufactured and the work of the devil? I've written an article and posted a thread on this forum. To visit the forum thread relating to Sandy being manufactured visit below.

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/general-debates/142139-hurricane-sandy-manufactured.html

 

[FunctionalAtheist]

Satan said to god, "if you let me do this, they will all curse your name."
God said, "I don't belie it. Just to prove it go ahead."

After all the death and destruction, true believers will praise god's name, glorifying him. That's all god wants, to show up the devil and here his name glorified.

When accused of injustice, Who has ever passed this earth innocent? God can destroy the wicked any time he wants.


This is all perfectly clear in Job. I'm amazed with all the answers the faithful provide that do not come from scripture, when god has made it clear.

 

[Skwim]

Even if that was the case the innocent will spend eternity in Heaven.

Gee, ain't that nice. They're robbed of everything god put us here for. Or isn't there a good reason for god plunking us down on Earth?

With God there is hope that in the end all will be put right and justice will prevail.

Of course. Hope is thee most singular reason people adopt religion; it soothes their concerns of the day and the future. Why else believe?

Without God we are simply a biological anomalie and no rights, equality, meaning, purpose, destination, or the sanctify of life exist in the universe and justice is never established and eventually the universe ends in heat death.

Aside from overstating the condition, I find this a lot of self appeasement, again a balm for those unable to face life head on without a security blanket. Not that I fault you for your need, but it simply doesn't translate into any kind of truth.

 

[1robin]

Gee, ain't that nice. They're robbed of everything god put us here for. Or isn't there a good reason for god plunking us down on Earth?

Back up the truth trolley here for a second. What is it that was taken from them that was not given in the first place? What did they create, that God stole? I have no idea if what I said was true or not but many theologians indicate that is what would happen. I however have no idea what is unjust about spending eternity in perfection without having to merit it or without having to watch loved ones die or suffer years of pain and misery. What can this life offer that if in heaven you would have felt cheated by missing? I find your contention theatric and bizarre. How is anything God takes back, even if he snuffs it out of existence forever outside the bounds of his sovereignty. I suppose we would be better off with people who think like you do allowing a thousand generations of complete evil to run rampant and destroy any hope of justice and peace. Who do people like us or a God like the Bible proclaims think we are, wiping out Hitlers and people like this.

"In the book of Genesis, we read what the world was really like in the days of Noah, which caused YEHOVAH God to lament the fact that He had even created mankind. "And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart" (Gen. 6:5-6). The Hebrew word for "great" here is rab and means "abundant," in every way -- size, shape, quantity -- "multitude, abounding, exceeding, vast, large, powerful." Thus evil DOMINATED the earth at that time -- it sat in high offices, governmental authorities, the powers that existed were wicked and shameful through and through"
"As It Was in the Days of Noah..."
How dare anyone stop evil or secular moral relativism.

Of course. Hope is thee most singular reason people adopt religion; it soothes their concerns of the day and the future. Why else believe?

Because it is true.
Yeah right. There is so much comfort in the Biblical God. I know I breathe easier for having adopted a system that claims most people even ones I know and love will be Hell. What a terrible lie if invented for comfort. I am sure Peter felt easier recorded that God had called him Satan, and I am sure Israel rested easier for having invented predictions of their periodic capture and slavery. G.K. Chesterton said what drove him to give up atheism is the inconsistency of its claims. A non-believer will claim that God is both absurdly unjust for the flood narrative and in the next breath say the concept of God was invented for comfort as you have. You can't predetermine the conclusion and then attempt to force reality to adjust accordingly.

Aside from overstating the condition, I find this a lot of self-appeasement, again a balm for those unable to face life head on without a security blanket. Not that I fault you for your need, but it simply doesn't translate into any kind of truth.

A large portion of the greatest scientists, legal professors, and historians, along with 1/3 of the earth’s population disagree. I will give you a tip. Confine your assertions to things you have access to. You have no access and no ability to possibly know my motivation for faith. I was at once as committed to hating God even if he existed as a person can be but it was evidence not wishful thinking that changed that. Here are what a few of the world’s greatest authorities say about Biblical evidence and testimony. Many of their credentials do not get any higher. Maybe you will have better luck telling the greatest experts on testimony and evidence in human history (Simon Greenleaf and Lord Lyndhurst) what they should believe and what their motivation for faith is.
http://www.angelfire.com/sc3/myredeemer/Evidencep29.html

 

[Skwim]

Back up the truth trolley here for a second. What is it that was taken from them that was not given in the first place?

I don't know, but I assume it's for whatever reason we were put on Earth. Think: Is it true that god put us on Earth for a reason? If so, were the young innocent whose lives were snuffed out able to fulfill this reason? If so, then our older years are irrelevant. If not, then they were deprived of the opportunity. AND, if we aren't put on Earth for a reason then why are we here?

"In the book of Genesis, we read what the world was really like in the days of Noah, which caused YEHOVAH God to lament the fact that He had even created mankind.

I too find it interesting that even god is capable of making mistakes, And that he's big enough to admit it.

Because it is true.

At least you concur.

Yeah right. There is so much comfort in the Biblical God. I know I breathe easier for having adopted a system that claims most people even ones I know and love will be Hell. What a terrible lie if invented for comfort.

But when you come right down to it, it's a personal thing. "You may be headed toward hell, but I won't be because . . . .Jesus . . . . . . , . . . . Jesus . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Jesus . . . !"

G.K. Chesterton said what drove him to give up atheism is the inconsistency of its claims.

Can't bring myself to care.

A non-believer will claim that God is both absurdly unjust for the flood narrative and in the next breath say the concept of God was invented for comfort as you have.

Yup. The Christian religion is fraught with contradictions and irrational notions. That people believe it remains outside the bounds of logic, so it must be an emotional thing: logic is tucked away so the security of faith may have full rein of one's psyche.

You can't predetermine the conclusion and then attempt to force reality to adjust accordingly.

Excuse me!!! But that's what business is all about. One foresees the future outcome of strategy and marketing and then proceeds to make it come true.

A large portion of the greatest scientists, legal professors, and historians, along with 1/3 of the earth’s population disagree.

No. One-third of the world is Christian. This doesn't mean all Christians are unaware of the reason they believe. I know of several Christians who freely admit that the reason they believe in Jesus is because of the comfort they derive from it. Then, of course, there are the two-thirds of the world who would most likely agree.

I will give you a tip. Confine your assertions to things you have access to. You have no access and no ability to possibly know my motivation for faith.

You funny guy. Running a bit scared, but funny.

I was at once as committed to hating God even if he existed as a person can be but it was evidence not wishful thinking that changed that. Here are what a few of the world’s greatest authorities say about Biblical evidence and testimony. Many of their credentials do not get any higher. Maybe you will have better luck telling the greatest experts on testimony and evidence in human history (Simon Greenleaf and Lord Lyndhurst) what they should believe and what their motivation for faith is.

And you, no doubt, are the world's greatest expert on testimony-and-evidence-in-human-history experts, because________________fill in the blank___________________ .