Why didn't god stop Super Storm Sandy?

[Bird123]

Just askin'.

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What do you think his criteria are?

Death is no more than a Change. God decides when it's time to move on. As for the rest, you focus only on the bad. Could there be any good news?? I hear that estimates on what it takes to rebuild will help the economy. So the insurance companies will have to spend some money. If the economy gets going, lots of people will be helped. There is also the science aspect. Mankind will learn to deal better with storms and in time learn to control the weather. Rescue people will learn. Electric utility companies are learning. More power lines are underground for protection than ever before.

There are so many sides to an event, one must weigh everything. With our limited view, judgment calls can be tough. Now, if we had God's view, I bet we would all agree with the choice.

 

[Super Universe]

Beyond that, so many of us who would like to move, relocate CANNOT do it. How easy is it do you suppose for most of us to just 'up and move'. And if the entire populations of coastal areas just decided to up and move, where do you suppose they would all go? And who would employ them?

I didn't say people should just "up and move". I said people should prepare for storm's, even in the off season, and build homes that can survive the area's natural events.

I also did not say that the entire populations of the coastal areas should "up and move" but if you're going to purchase a home built out on a sand bar in a hurricane zone you accept all the risk that goes along with it.

 

[NIX]

It's impossible to know in advance exactly what will happen? It was on TV and radio for days.

A 100 mile drive and a night in a motel would be about $110-150.

You seem to think that giving an excuse is better than thinking ahead.

You think that the people who truly needed to evacuate were able to go back to their homes after one night at a hotel?
(if they even had a home left to go back to)

 

[Super Universe]

You think that the people who truly needed to evacuate were able to go back to their homes after one night at a hotel?
(if they even had a home left to go back to)

Where are they staying now?

 

[NIX]

It's impossible to know in advance exactly what will happen? It was on TV and radio for days.

A 100 mile drive and a night in a motel would be about $110-150.

You seem to think that giving an excuse is better than thinking ahead.

You have purposely ignored everything of truth and substance that I have posted. People never know exactly what will happen. You can be killed in a car accident while evacuating potential disaster that never would have even come to pass.

 

[NIX]

Where are they staying now?

People with no family to speak of and no money? I do not know. I guess shelters.

 

[InChrist]

[FONT=&quot]I believe God did not stop super storm Sandy because it is important for people to be reminded of reality. Since humans first rebelled against God and sin entered the world all of nature is cursed and one of the consequences of living in a fallen world is natural disasters. We do not live in the sin-free, disaster-free, secure paradise God intended for us to reside in under His care. Life in a rebellious, sin-ridden world where humans attempt to be their own gods is very uncertain and full of disasters.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]I find it interesting that many who want nothing to do with God, or feel they have no need to be accountable or grateful to Him at all are suddenly very quick to blame God when something bad happens.[/FONT]

 

[4consideration]

It's impossible to know in advance exactly what will happen? It was on TV and radio for days.

A 100 mile drive and a night in a motel would be about $110-150.

You seem to think that giving an excuse is better than thinking ahead.

I have evacuated for numerous hurricanes. I have been in some as well. With a storm this size, if you really think that you can count on finding a hotel room 100 miles away within 2 days of the hurricane hitting, I seriously doubt that. At least a day before the televised time for hitting (which is the eye,) the hurricane conditions are already so intense, that it may too late to leave if you have to travel far, and the danger of getting stuck on the road in it may be high.

Depending on where you live, and the kind of water coming in, yes bottled water is likely unusable because it may float away, along with your furniture and other stuff. Or, if it is wet from water coming from overhead, it may be underneath the beams and roofing material that has fallen into your house after a tree hit it. You could go for risking your life for that water, but I wouldn't suggest it. Make sure to watch out for those electrical lines that came down with the tree.

It is very typical during hurricanes for people to help other people at the last minute -- people that they had not counted on. If you are packing your car to evacuate and get a call from a family or friend, that someone needs a ride out of the area, it is not stupid to leave supplies behind in favor of taking more people with you -- it is humane and compassionate. That happens a lot, at least in my experience. You take as many people and as much stuff, and when you have to make a decision between the two, you leave stuff -- even if it is the extra food and water.

If you are staying and in a relatively safe location, and some family or friends need shelter from the storm at the last minute, you may just find yourself sharing your cereal and pop-tarts and water, which means you will run out of them faster. It ain't a dumb thing to do.

Additionally, while the general direction of a hurricane is often well predicted, the exact location and hardest hit areas are often not pinpointed in advance. Sometimes, it is very difficult to make that decision about whether or not to leave if you are not in a mandatory evacuation zone because you may still get clobbered, or may do just fine. You just don't know.

Assessing the situation is an uncertain and stressful thing to deal with, even though it may seem obvious -- that obviousness includes none of the real life variables that actual people may actually have to deal with.

You are correct that it is smart to prepare. You are incorrect if you assume that people that are stuck needing help did not prepare, and are stupid. It is not smart to assume that you know what they really had to deal with when none of us really have any idea.

 

[NIX]

I have evacuated for numerous hurricanes. I have been in some as well. With a storm this size, if you really think that you can count on finding a hotel room 100 miles away within 2 days of the hurricane hitting, I seriously doubt that. At least a day before the televised time for hitting (which is the eye,) the hurricane conditions are already so intense, that it may too late to leave if you have to travel far, and the danger of getting stuck on the road in it may be high.

Depending on where you live, and the kind of water coming in, yes bottled water is likely unusable because it may float away, along with your furniture and other stuff. Or, if it is wet from water coming from overhead, it may be underneath the beams and roofing material that has fallen into your house after a tree hit it. You could go for risking your life for that water, but I wouldn't suggest it. Make sure to watch out for those electrical lines that came down with the tree.

It is very typical during hurricanes for people to help other people at the last minute -- people that they had not counted on. If you are packing your car to evacuate and get a call from a family or friend, that someone needs a ride out of the area, it is not stupid to leave supplies behind in favor of taking more people with you -- it is humane and compassionate. That happens a lot, at least in my experience. You take as many people and as much stuff, and when you have to make a decision between the two, you leave stuff -- even if it is the extra food and water.

If you are staying and in a relatively safe location, and some family or friends need shelter from the storm at the last minute, you may just find yourself sharing your cereal and pop-tarts and water, which means you will run out of them faster. It ain't a dumb thing to do.

Additionally, while the general direction of a hurricane is often well predicted, the exact location and hardest hit areas are often not pinpointed in advance. Sometimes, it is very difficult to make that decision about whether or not to leave if you are not in a mandatory evacuation zone because you may still get clobbered, or may do just fine. You just don't know.

Assessing the situation is an uncertain and stressful thing to deal with, even though it may seem obvious -- that obviousness includes none of the real life variables that actual people may actually have to deal with.

You are correct that it is smart to prepare. You are incorrect if you assume that people that are stuck needing help did not prepare, and are stupid. It is not smart to assume that you know what they really had to deal with when none of us really have any idea.

Thank you. Excellent post.

 

[NIX]

I want to share a very wonderful story about intuition (and hurricane Irene) in relation to NOT doing what you're told/'supposed to', but this is such a negative thread in general I just don't want to put it in here. Perhaps I can come up with some other thread. People only seem to like debates, but I think I'd rather just make it into a positive thread. Not sure what's to debate about it though. Some people will say intuition is just dumb luck, and others will say it's the intervention of daddy god I guess.

 

[NIX]

http://www.religiousforums.com/foru...when-intuition-trumps-reason.html#post3137216

From the blog of the lovely Veronica Varlow
Hurricane Sandy Update from Mandatory Evacuation Zone A in NYC | Veronica Varlow's Danger Dame

 

[Super Universe]

I have evacuated for numerous hurricanes. I have been in some as well. With a storm this size, if you really think that you can count on finding a hotel room 100 miles away within 2 days of the hurricane hitting, I seriously doubt that. At least a day before the televised time for hitting (which is the eye,) the hurricane conditions are already so intense, that it may too late to leave if you have to travel far, and the danger of getting stuck on the road in it may be high.

Depending on where you live, and the kind of water coming in, yes bottled water is likely unusable because it may float away, along with your furniture and other stuff. Or, if it is wet from water coming from overhead, it may be underneath the beams and roofing material that has fallen into your house after a tree hit it. You could go for risking your life for that water, but I wouldn't suggest it. Make sure to watch out for those electrical lines that came down with the tree.

It is very typical during hurricanes for people to help other people at the last minute -- people that they had not counted on. If you are packing your car to evacuate and get a call from a family or friend, that someone needs a ride out of the area, it is not stupid to leave supplies behind in favor of taking more people with you -- it is humane and compassionate. That happens a lot, at least in my experience. You take as many people and as much stuff, and when you have to make a decision between the two, you leave stuff -- even if it is the extra food and water.

If you are staying and in a relatively safe location, and some family or friends need shelter from the storm at the last minute, you may just find yourself sharing your cereal and pop-tarts and water, which means you will run out of them faster. It ain't a dumb thing to do.

Additionally, while the general direction of a hurricane is often well predicted, the exact location and hardest hit areas are often not pinpointed in advance. Sometimes, it is very difficult to make that decision about whether or not to leave if you are not in a mandatory evacuation zone because you may still get clobbered, or may do just fine. You just don't know.

Assessing the situation is an uncertain and stressful thing to deal with, even though it may seem obvious -- that obviousness includes none of the real life variables that actual people may actually have to deal with.

You are correct that it is smart to prepare. You are incorrect if you assume that people that are stuck needing help did not prepare, and are stupid. It is not smart to assume that you know what they really had to deal with when none of us really have any idea.

Can't count on finding a hotel room 100 miles away? Then drive 200 or 300 or maybe get some tents and find a camp ground.

The hurricane conditions are already intense a day before the time it hits? Uh, no. The real intensity is near the epicenter. If you've waited that long then it's too late.

Which road was full of traffic leading away from NY or New Jersey before the hurricane? Name one...

Bottled water may float away if your house floods? What if you, hmm, I don't know, uh, maybe put it in the refrigerator?

The exact location of a hurricane hits is not known? So. Prepare anyway.

Basically everyone just doesn't want to lose their conveniences. Well tough. You're going to lose them one way or another. Every part of the world has it's own natural events that humans should prepare for, if they don't, it's not God's fault.

 

[Muffled]

Just askin'.

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What do you think his criteria are?

Maybe he doesn't like casinos. There were casinos in New Orleans and Biloxi MS when Katrina hit.

 

[idea]

We are refined in the fires, and in the floods.

 

[Muffled]

S/He was occupied chatting with Job.

My understanding is that He is quite capable of multi-tasking.

 

[Muffled]

And yet, he keeps missing

either that or Cantore is an Angel of.... no. can't be true.....:ignore:

He either has a good heart or a rubber sole.

 

[1137]

Isaiah 45:7

This is not a problem for those who would actually take the time to understand what is taught about God in the scriptures that they have stolen from and perverted.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Perhaps there is something to learn from the story of " the three little Pigs"

 

[4consideration]

Can't count on finding a hotel room 100 miles away? Then drive 200 or 300 or maybe get some tents and find a camp ground.

You do not seem to be considering how many people were in the path of that storm. It is an over-simplification to think that many people could possibly find lodging within a few hundred miles, all in the matter of a few days -- unless there is some hidden NYC size replica that I am unaware of.

For a hurricane that huge moving inland, with tropical force winds extending hundreds of miles from the center, travelling a few hundred miles and staying in a tent may not be a good solution.

The hurricane conditions are already intense a day before the time it hits? Uh, no. The real intensity is near the epicenter. If you've waited that long then it's too late

Which road was full of traffic leading away from NY or New Jersey before the hurricane? Name one....

If you were there to say that hurricane conditions did not significantly preceed official landfall of this particular hurricane, then I will stand corrected.

Additionally, if you can tell me that traffic, or other transportation issues was not a concern, and a reason for people to stay put, I will accept that my personal experience with the issues and delays in the normal flow of traffic during evacuation time that is typical of hurricanes in the south may not have applied in this case.

I think that, considering that many people rely on public transportation, once public transportation has ceased, those people are pretty much stuck in the area where they are. Perhaps it is different than I imagine. I do not know. Do you?

Bottled water may float away if your house floods? What if you, hmm, I don't know, uh, maybe put it in the refrigerator?

I can tell from this post that you most likely have never stood at your place of residence, to see everything destroyed and feeling the intense gratitude of having escaped such devestation to your residence with your life. I am glad that you do not know that feeling.

I hope that you will take a moment to consider with compassion the people that you are suggesting ought to put water in their...um...refrigerator, how heartless that comes across.

I have personally, once been unable to find the refrigerator, or the couch, or the table and chairs, or the kitchen sink, or a portion of the counters. But, that's right, it really would not have been an issue, because if I had stayed there, I would have been dead. So, I guess that doesn't count. We're talking about how to smuggly call people caught in terrible disasters without water "stupid." We don't want to detract from that argument, now do we?

The exact location of a hurricane hits is not known? So. Prepare anyway.

I would be the first person to say prepare for a hurricane. I personally start preparing at the slightest possibility that one is heading my way. You get no argument from me as the wisdom of doing so.

What I would like you to show me is your evidence that the people that you are implying are stupid for being without food and water did not actually prepare. Since you are sure enough about this to call them "stupid," I would like to see your evidence for it.

Basically everyone just doesn't want to lose their conveniences. Well tough. You're going to lose them one way or another. Every part of the world has it's own natural events that humans should prepare for, if they don't, it's not God's fault.

I don't know what everyone wants. I am not sure how you are able to say that you know that. I think people like conveniences, so what? Sometimes living without them for a time reminds you to really appreciate them. I don't see what that has to do with this discussion.

You are right that every part of the world has its own natural events. I tried moving around the country following a couple of really harrowing hurricane events in my life -- and that's exactly the conclusion that I came to. So, given that there is no guarantee that any area is free of the potential for disaster, I moved back to the place that I loved. And it is really close to the water. Does that make me stupid?

I agree that people should prepare, and get out of harm's way as much as possible. I never said I blamed any of it on God. I have included God, and my relationship with God, in all of my hurricane experiences. If I would infer any desire on God's behalf regarding hurricanes, it would be that I would assume God would want me to show love and compassion for his children -- even those that maybe didn't prepare, or those that did prepare and still found themselves in situations where those preparations did not keep them from needing something else.

 

[Super Universe]

You do not seem to be considering how many people were in the path of that storm. It is an over-simplification to think that many people could possibly find lodging within a few hundred miles, all in the matter of a few days -- unless there is some hidden NYC size replica that I am unaware of.

For a hurricane that huge moving inland, with tropical force winds extending hundreds of miles from the center, travelling a few hundred miles and staying in a tent may not be a good solution.


If you were there to say that hurricane conditions did not significantly preceed official landfall of this particular hurricane, then I will stand corrected.

Additionally, if you can tell me that traffic, or other transportation issues was not a concern, and a reason for people to stay put, I will accept that my personal experience with the issues and delays in the normal flow of traffic during evacuation time that is typical of hurricanes in the south may not have applied in this case.

I think that, considering that many people rely on public transportation, once public transportation has ceased, those people are pretty much stuck in the area where they are. Perhaps it is different than I imagine. I do not know. Do you?



I can tell from this post that you most likely have never stood at your place of residence, to see everything destroyed and feeling the intense gratitude of having escaped such devestation to your residence with your life. I am glad that you do not know that feeling.

I hope that you will take a moment to consider with compassion the people that you are suggesting ought to put water in their...um...refrigerator, how heartless that comes across.

I have personally, once been unable to find the refrigerator, or the couch, or the table and chairs, or the kitchen sink, or a portion of the counters. But, that's right, it really would not have been an issue, because if I had stayed there, I would have been dead. So, I guess that doesn't count. We're talking about how to smuggly call people caught in terrible disasters without water "stupid." We don't want to detract from that argument, now do we?



I would be the first person to say prepare for a hurricane. I personally start preparing at the slightest possibility that one is heading my way. You get no argument from me as the wisdom of doing so.

What I would like you to show me is your evidence that the people that you are implying are stupid for being without food and water did not actually prepare. Since you are sure enough about this to call them "stupid," I would like to see your evidence for it.


I don't know what everyone wants. I am not sure how you are able to say that you know that. I think people like conveniences, so what? Sometimes living without them for a time reminds you to really appreciate them. I don't see what that has to do with this discussion.

You are right that every part of the world has its own natural events. I tried moving around the country following a couple of really harrowing hurricane events in my life -- and that's exactly the conclusion that I came to. So, given that there is no guarantee that any area is free of the potential for disaster, I moved back to the place that I loved. And it is really close to the water. Does that make me stupid?

I agree that people should prepare, and get out of harm's way as much as possible. I never said I blamed any of it on God. I have included God, and my relationship with God, in all of my hurricane experiences. If I would infer any desire on God's behalf regarding hurricanes, it would be that I would assume God would want me to show love and compassion for his children -- even those that maybe didn't prepare, or those that did prepare and still found themselves in situations where those preparations did not keep them from needing something else.

You do not seem to understand that only those in the expected flood zones should have evacuated. I did not say that all of New York and New Jersey should have evacuated.

Travelling a few hundred miles and staying in a tent might not be a good solution? And staying in a house on a sand bar that's going to take the brunt of the storm winds and storm surge is?

Which road out of NY or Jersey was backed up with traffic before the hurricane hit? Name just one. The thing is this, not everyone has to get out, those living on the waterfront should.

I have never stood at my residence and seen everything destroyed? I lived in New Orleans during Katrina. The structure I lived in survived and did not flood but the wind ripped all the roof tiles off and the rain soaked the wood so much that it was raining inside. Everything got wet and eventually moldy and had to be thrown away.

Not every house gets flooded. In fact, most of them don't, even in Katrina most homes were not flooded.

If you want to live close to the water then that is your choice but you've assumed the risk. Depending on where it is I would say that the government (FEMA) and insurance agencies are not responsible in the least for your possessions or home if hit by a hurricane.

God would want me to show love and compassion? I don't walk on water.

It just never ends. We can build homes able to survive pretty much every natural catastrophe, a cement home would probably even survive a flood though your possessions wouldn't.

There are many people exactly like you in this world and this is the reason we have so many recurring tragedies and people cry out "Oh, why me God?". It's not God's fault you bought a home on a sand bar in a hurricane zone.