Why do atheist believe something can come from nothing?

[siti]

I actually consider the use of 'nothing' in this context is actually 'hyper click bait.'

And yet you clicked...oops! and so did I!

 

[The Reverend Bob]

Well most believe he were always there, which I think is fair enough.

But you can't accept that about the universe?

 

[shunyadragon]

But that's essentially what hawking and mlodinov assert. That somehow a universe can be built without any parts. When you start talking about this stuff, you move from legitimate science into patent nonsense.

The above statement is nonsense in terms of science, particularly the science of Quantum Mechanics. Your statement; 'a universe can be built without any parts.' is not meaningful in terms of how science views origins and what Hawking and Leonard Mlodinow propose concerning the origins of the universe and the possible multiverse.Both propose that our universe and all possible universes form in a Quantum World based on Quantum Mechanics. The Quantum World is basically Quantum zero-point energy field and Quantum gravity. The particles of matter arise from this quantum world, and it is not in reality nothing.

Here's the truth. <snip>

Unrelated nonsense.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

This is a strawman. It only applies to the subject+object dichotomy. God is neither subject or object, it is the source behind the existence of those quantities. When there is no subject or object, then there is only God.

And that is nothing more than a statement for which you can provide precisely nothing, other than your own presumption that it must be so, because you can't think of anything else. The proof, however, will be forever beyond you.

No, your strawman reveals that you have put very little thought into the concept of God.

What an absolutely illuminating statement. You only get to "know God" by putting a lot of "thought into the concept of God." Well, by the same method, I suppose you could also discover everything you need to know about the Flying Spaghetti Monster, or Puff the Magic Dragon. But what does your own thought, in the end, actually tell you about the reality of anything at all? Would it not be better to have even just a little something other than your own thoughts? Or do you just assume that you are right by your very nature?

Well we still have atheists in spite of Science, which goes to show that sometimes impossible things happen (like atheists still being around despite what Science has shown about the universe and nature).

No idea at all what that means. But it reads silly.

 

[leov]

I am not an atheist, but there is nothing abnormal about atheism, though I consider some forms of theism as unnatural because they reject the natural nature of our physical existence for an interpretation of ancient mythology.

I hope you know how materialism affect spirituality.

 

[Unguru]

And that is nothing more than a statement for which you can provide precisely nothing

Blah de blah de blah. Are we talking about God or your grandmother's underpants?
Strawmaning the topic is inexcusable, yet you seem to think that a strawman is validation of your position, this is hilarious. Can you do anything else than strawman people?

other than your own presumption that it must be so, because you can't think of anything else.

Do you have an argument here or are you just going to continue defending your use of fallacies?

What an absolutely illuminating statement. You only get to "know God" by putting a lot of "thought into the concept of God." Well, by the same method, I suppose you could also discover everything you need to know about the Flying Spaghetti Monster, or Puff the Magic Dragon.

I see your methodology here, this is wonderful. Fallacies on top of fallacies on top of fallacies prove that fallacies are sound logic.
Placing a non-sequitur and an appeal-to-ridicule on top of two Strawman's does not make your position valid.

But what does your own thought, in the end, actually tell you about the reality of anything at all?

Are you now admitting God after that 'leaning tower of Pisa' of fallacy-stacking? that is what I would call an ambitious feat!

No idea at all what that means. But it reads silly.

No wonder you don't

 

[Subduction Zone]

The video is udder nonsense.

I am not sure if you meant to say this, but I intend to milk this for all that it is worth

 

[We Never Know]

They also spend more time crapping on believers, at least the ones on this forum, than in discussing how the Universe came to be or what will happen to it.

Sometimes it gives me a chuckle how Christians are attacked, especially when atheist and Christians have many thing in common. Live and let live is my motto. Here's a few and there is more for anyone that wants to research.

Book Atheist Creed
https://www.amazon.com/Atheists-Creed-Michael-Palmer/dp/0718830830

Atheist Church
What happens at an atheist church?

Atheist scholarships
Atheist Scholarships - Scholarships.com

Atheist conventions
American Atheists 2019 National Convention

 

[Milton Platt]

Could this explain it?

Which atheists are you referring to? Atheism is simply the lack of belief in a god. It does not require a belief in any particular origin of the universe or anything else.

 

[Milton Platt]

I am not sure if you meant to say this, but I intend to milk this for all that it is worth

That's a COWardly thing to do.....

 

[Thief]

Why is it anymore sensible to believe in God?
Where did god come from? From Nothing?

have you considered?
nothing is reference to the material

Spirit is something
but it is not material

the spiritual realm is not obvious

but I believe

and science is my crutch
the universe is in motion......Something made that happen

 

[siti]

That's a COWardly thing to do.....

Go on...pull the udder one

 

[Unguru]

Atheism is simply the lack of belief in a god. It does not require a belief in any particular origin of the universe or anything else.

Theism is simple the lack of belief in the theory of no god. It does not require a belief in any particular particular origin of the universe or anything else other than the Scientific cosmology.

 

[Unguru]

Go on...pull the udder one

It will scream loudly.

 

[Thief]

and science does believe in a Force
unseen
cannot be proven

Dark Energy

 

[paarsurrey]

No, it's a dumb question. It's a tired straw man fallacy that repeatedly get's regurgitated and refuted, ad nauseam.

And the reply also. Right, please?
Regards

 

[shunyadragon]

I hope you know how materialism affect spirituality.

Yes, and all humanity including theist suffer from this problem universally. In fact it part of the normal nature of fallible humanity.

 

[siti]

have you considered?
nothing is reference to the material

Spirit is something
but it is not material

the spiritual realm is not obvious

but I believe

and science is my crutch
the universe is in motion......Something made that happen

Ah! Mr Aquinas...nice of you to join us - perhaps we might point out that things have moved on somewhat since the 13th century...

 

[shunyadragon]

and science does believe in a Force
unseen
cannot be proven

Dark Energy

First, again, again and again science does not prove anything, and it is premature to 'argue from ignorance' concerning what science may resolve and fallsify concerning 'Dark Matter and Energy' in the future.

 

[Thief]

Ah! Mr Aquinas...nice of you to join us - perhaps we might point out that things have moved on somewhat since the 13th century...

I have read his handiwork
but his effort to apply logic to Christian dogma was sketchy

I am not one of his