Why do atheist believe something can come from nothing?

[shunyadragon]

I am not sure if you meant to say this, but I intend to milk this for all that it is worth

I meant it as a pune, milk away.

 

[Thief]

First, again, again and again science does not prove anything,

Albert E. said......repeating an experiment
again and again and again
while expecting a different result
is insanity

and doesn't prove anything

but that doesn't mean a thought experiment is a fail
his work....Albert's
was all in his head

 

[shunyadragon]

Albert E. said......repeating an experiment
again and again and again
while expecting a different result
is insanity

and doesn't prove anything

but that doesn't mean a thought experiment is a fail
his work....Albert's
was all in is head

Misquoting and misrepresenting science again, again and again expecting the magic results in insanity. Thought experiments are the most fruitful grounds for 'circular reasoning' to justify what one believes.

 

[siti]

and science does believe in a Force
unseen
cannot be proven

Dark Energy

Well - congrats on getting so much wrong in so few words! First, you can't see forces anyway...but I'm guessing you're not about to throw yourself off the Empire State Building because you've never seen gravity?

Second, science doesn't "believe" anything - it postulates and hypothesizes - it doesn't believe.

And, third, it doesn't prove anything either, its job is to falsify prevailing theories and hypotheses so that they can be refined - or abandoned if necessary. Dark energy is - as yet - a hypothesis...not even a theory...no responsible scientist would claim that it was proven...but most would probably agree its about the best hypothesis we have at present to explain the apparent accelerating expansion of the universe.

Fourth - what the devil does any of that have to do with something coming from nothing which probably didn't happen and which atheists do not believe anyway?

 

[Thief]

Misquoting and misrepresenting science again, again and again expecting the magic results in insanity. Thought experiments are the most fruitful grounds for 'circular reasoning' to justify what one believes.

atta boy......Albert!!!!

 

[Thief]

Well - congrats on getting so much wrong in so few words! First, you can't see forces anyway...but I'm guessing you're not about to throw yourself off the Empire State Building because you've never seen gravity?

Second, science doesn't "believe" anything - it postulates and hypothesizes - it doesn't believe.

And, third, it doesn't prove anything either, its job is to falsify prevailing theories and hypotheses so that they can be refined - or abandoned if necessary. Dark energy is - as yet - a hypothesis...not even a theory...no responsible scientist would claim that it was proven...but most would probably agree its about the best hypothesis we have at present to explain the apparent accelerating expansion of the universe.

Fourth - what the devil does any of that have to do with something coming from nothing which probably didn't happen and which atheists do not believe anyway?

try stepping from a high ledge expecting the angelic to catch you

Jesus didn't fall for that one

neither will I

 

[siti]

try stepping from a high ledge expecting the angelic to catch you

Jesus didn't fall for that one

neither will I

Well that's a relief - judging by the quality of your earlier posts, I thought you just might.

 

[Thief]

Dark energy is - as yet - a hypothesis...not even a theory...no responsible scientist would claim that it was proven.

we may have to wait a long time for the ….'proof'

science likes that scenario which ends with....."Eureka!...I found it...!!!"

but until then science will lay to cause and effect
and we STRONGLY suspect
what we cannot prove

 

[siti]

we may have to wait a long time for the ….'proof'

science likes that scenario which ends with....."Eureka!...I found it...!!!"

but until then science will lay to cause and effect
and we STRONGLY suspect
what we cannot prove

Eureka? Are you serious.
If you think that's science you must be delirious
Now Archimedes, before that Aquinas
And we STRONGLY suspect: argumentum asininus

 

[Father Heathen]

And the reply also. Right, please?
Regards

No, the reply is of a wisdom that even the greatest of prophets have fallen short of.

 

[Thief]

Eureka? Are you serious.
If you think that's science you must be delirious
Now Archimedes, before that Aquinas
And we STRONGLY suspect: argumentum asininus

quite serious
you have found it....or not

and so far....not

until we do.....cause and effect

and the universe is in motion
Something did it
Spirit first

btw the motion has a signature

rotation

 

[Thief]

No, the reply is of a wisdom that even the greatest of prophets have fallen short of.

so Jesus, Muhammad, and Moses.....were all fails?

new topic

 

[siti]

quite serious
you have found it....or not

and so far....not

until we do.....cause and effect

and the universe is in motion
Something did it
Spirit first

btw the motion has a signature

rotation

Quite delirious I witness
Maybe its motion sickness
The worlds in motion, no disavowal
As is your source: the bovine bowel

 

[osgart]

What if intuition is true, and cause and effect are how the universe really operates, anyway, and all along?

And how does a mathematical equation prove or disprove anything? I don't think it does!

Is science truth, or just a highly effective way of manipulating reality?

I hear that spacetime is emergent from a quantum vacuum. But how can you have matter, motion, and energy if there is no space or time present? That screams logical impossibility to me.

From what i read the abstract and non physical are very much in play for reality to work.

Finally, what leads one to believe that the Quantum world is eternal?

 

[Father Heathen]

so Jesus, Muhammad, and Moses.....were all fails?

new topic

I would take them under my wing as my padawan learners.

 

[Milton Platt]

Theism is simple the lack of Atheism. It does not require a belief in any particular particular origin of the universe or anything else other than the Scientific cosmology.

So it is a lack of a lack of belief??? LOL that makes it a belief...........Most theist religions I have heard of posit some god which was responsible for the creation of the universe. That being said, I did not say that a theist had to have a particular a particular view of that, anyway. It would all depend on which god and which version of that god, I guess.

 

[Unguru]

So it is a lack of a lack of belief???

Yes, it is simply the disbelief in the theory of there being no god, nothing more or less. However you categorize or choose to depict it is otherwise not as important.

It would all depend on which god and which version of that god, I guess.

Not so much.

 

[Aupmanyav]

"Why do atheist believe something can come from nothing?": It is not that all atheists believe that. But is there any alternative? Eternal existence of universe or a God cannot answer the reason for their existence. So, a fall-back to Quantum Mechanics - Space/Energy/Time - Ex-Nihilo.

"A widely supported hypothesis in modern physics is the zero-energy universe which states that the total amount of energy in the universe is exactly zero. It has been argued that this is the only kind of universe that could come from nothing. Such a universe would have to be flat in shape, a state which does not contradict current observations that the universe is flat with a 0.5% margin of error."

 

[Milton Platt]

Yes, it is simply the disbelief in the theory of there being no god, nothing more or less. However you categorize or choose to depict it is otherwise not as important.



Not so much.

Ditto for you. You can call a belief a lack of disbelief if you wish. The important difference is one is positive claim and the other is merely a rejection of the claim. Theists claim there is a god....Atheist simply do not feel the evidence is sufficient for belief of the claim.

 

[Unguru]

The important difference is one is positive claim and the other is merely a rejection of the claim. Theists claim there is a god....Atheist simply do not feel the evidence is sufficient for belief of the claim.

No, Theists just reject the positive claim that there is no god. Theists do not rationally think there is sufficient evidence to the belief of that claim; the speculative theory of 'no god'. If we found evidence for the that claim then we would start believing the Atheist belief system.