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Why do Atheists exist?

Me Myself

Me Myself

Back to my username
TheReligionofFour said:
How is that self-defeating? I applied faith and logic but never said it was 100% true? To say something is 100% true is foolish.
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Then it is not 100% true that God´s existence is irrefutable

It is not 100% true that it is sad to be an atheist

It is not 100% true that believing in God makes everyone happier.
 
shawn001

shawn001

Well-Known Member
Kerr, he's young

Thereligionfour,

If a baby was brought up on a desert Island by chimps without any humans, what religion would that person be?
 
waitasec

waitasec

Veteran Member
TheReligionofFour said:
How is that self-defeating? I applied faith and logic but never said it was 100% true? To say something is 100% true is foolish.
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how can you post this with such certainty?

TheReligionofFour said:
How can there be so many humans that are so blind to the splender and maginifecence and epicness and wonder of this universe and say there is no inteligence behind it's design?

It's like they never took Biology or a Physics class!

DERP!
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outhouse

outhouse

Atheistically
TheReligionofFour said:
What I meant was:

Move your hand in front of you, you're sure it's there, but can you be 100% that you aren't living in a dream? No.
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YES :facepalm:

in quite sure im living the life I was born into.




maybe its why you have such a hard time communicating with people, you think this is all a big dream :facepalm:
 
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TheReligionofFour

Member
"you think this is all a big dream" ---> Ignorance. I mean why would you even say that? It's obvious I dont, but i'm not retarded by saying that its IMPOSIBLE! We're talking about its concept, which you took literally :facepalm:
 
cablescavenger

cablescavenger

Well-Known Member
mball1297 said:
Yes, it does depend on them using the most accurate and best definitions available, along with being intellectually honest.
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I know why you are saying that, but not everyone agrees with that scale or puts themselves in the pigeon holes subscribed. If you assume they are intellectually honest, then that must mean there is something wrong with the scale or the definitions.

According to your definitions Dawkins is an agnostic atheist, but Dawkin's wouldn't agree with you since he doesn't see himself as agnostic at all.
In fact he says " I am agnostic only to the extent that I am agnostic about fairies at the bottom of the garden"

You can see this clearer if you look at the scale and definitions he uses:

Dawkins's formulation


Richard Dawkins


Dawkins posits that "the existence of God is a scientific hypothesis like any other." He goes on to propose a continuous "spectrum of probabilities" between two extremes of opposite certainty, which can be represented by seven "milestones". Dawkins suggests definitive statements to summarize one's place along the spectrum of theistic probability. These "milestones" are:[2]

  1. Strong theist. 100 per cent probability of God. In the words of C.G. Jung: "I do not believe, I know."
  2. De facto theist. Very high probability but short of 100 per cent. "I don't know for certain, but I strongly believe in God and live my life on the assumption that he is there."
  3. Leaning towards theism. Higher than 50 per cent but not very high. "I am very uncertain, but I am inclined to believe in God."
  4. Completely impartial. Exactly 50 per cent. "God's existence and non-existence are exactly equiprobable."
  5. Leaning towards atheism. Lower than 50 per cent but not very low. "I do not know whether God exists but I'm inclined to be skeptical."
  6. De facto atheist. Very low probability, but short of zero. "I don't know for certain but I think God is very improbable, and I live my life on the assumption that he is not there."
  7. Strong atheist. "I know there is no God, with the same conviction as Jung knows there is one."
Dawkins argues that while there appear to be plenty of individuals that would place themselves as "1", no thinking atheist would consider themselves "7", as atheism arises from a lack of evidence and evidence can always change a thinking person's mind. In print, Dawkins self-identified as a '6', though when interviewed by Bill Maher, he suggested he might be '6.9'[3].
 
Tathagata

Tathagata

Freethinker
InformedIgnorance said:
However FTP, an intellectually honest atheist will then admit that such a proof logically cannot exist nor can a proof that no god exists, therefore they would be agnostic or perhaps apatheistic.
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That is false. There can exist proof that God cannot exist. If Gods attributes can be logically shown to be self-contradictory than God doesnt exist like square-circles dont exist. Plus, even scientific arguments disprove God. See here:

http://www.religiousforums.com/foru...ogical-scientific-arguments-disprove-god.html

http://www.religiousforums.com/foru...-disproof-god-modified-argument-universe.html


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FlyingTeaPot

FlyingTeaPot

Irrational Rationalist. Educated Fool.
TheReligionofFour said:
If your signature is true, that you think God is just an imaginary friend that caught on, how did we came to be?

It's pretty obvious if you take a look of the world and look at the basics of life.
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We don't know how we came to be. But at least I am admitting I don't know. You are certain that a god did it and yet fail to provide any proof for it.
 
ChristineES

ChristineES

Tiggerism
Premium Member
If there was someone (very unlikely to happen) that was alone all his or her life, never heard of God, never heard of theism or atheism- then how can that person be either an atheist or theist, how could he or she be an agnostic? If you never heard of something, you never think of it. (I give credit to shawn001 for inspiring this thought, see post #105)
 
ChristineES

ChristineES

Tiggerism
Premium Member
Kilgore Trout said:
That's not true. I never heard of dunking chocolate chip cookies in orange juice, but one day I thought of it, did it, and it was delicious.
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Reminds me of this chocolate orange I used to like. It was a big ball of chocolate with orange flavor, that came apart in wedges like an orange. That was good!!;)
 
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Kerr

Well-Known Member
ChristineES said:
If there was someone (very unlikely to happen) that was alone all his or her life, never heard of God, never heard of theism or atheism- then how can that person be either an atheist or theist, how could he or she be an agnostic? If you never heard of something, you never think of it. (I give credit to shawn001 for inspiring this thought, see post #105)
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Labels would not be relevant in that situation I guess :shrug:. I mean, he or she can be described as theist or atheist or whatever, but its pretty pointless.
 
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