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Why do Atheists exist?

ChristineES

ChristineES

Tiggerism
Premium Member
There are people who don't believe in things that have no evidence- physical or scientific evidence, that is. I doubt they understand why we theists believe in God- the same way the OP wonders how they cannot believe in God. We have to accept differences because no two people are the same.
 
outhouse

outhouse

Atheistically
yet we are talking about creation itself here, there had to be something to get the ball rolling, its so simple and obvious.
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the higher the level of ignorance, the higher the need to place more attributes of a deity, in the gaps of ones knowledge
 
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TheReligionofFour

Member
shawn001 said:
“I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.”

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Stephen Roberts

So do you believe in just "one designer" or all of them?
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It's a mystery, but to me there is for sure at least one creator, because hey, WE ARE HERE!
 
Me Myself

Me Myself

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TheReligionofFour said:
Of course I can't 100% prove he exists, that's why there is faith. DERP! :facepalm:

There's SUFFICIENT proof, just think about the beginning, there was nothing right? we are supposedly 16 billion years old, so what got the ball to roll?

So simple and obvious.
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Let´s say it was a supernatural cause.

If this cause had no conscience or sentience, would you keep calling it God?
 
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Kerr

Well-Known Member
TheReligionofFour said:
Hm, atheists don't believe in God, but they cant disproof him (and never will derp) and since they cant, they have to believe in the possiblity...wouldunt that make them...agnostic? lol
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Then I take it theists are agnostics to, since they cannot prove that God does actually exist and therefor must believe in the possibility that God does not exist.
 
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TheReligionofFour

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Me Myself said:
Let´s say it was a supernatural cause.

If this cause had no conscience or sentience, would you keep calling it God?
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As in "big bang"? No, but a supernatural cause, probably had a supernatural creator no?

If it didnt, fine, you still lived happier, more optimistic than most.

And if it was, and it was for example like the one in the bible that...2 billion people believe in...sucks to be you....HELL4U!
 
ChristineES

ChristineES

Tiggerism
Premium Member
Kerr said:
Then I take it theists are agnostics to, since they cannot prove that God does actually exist and therefor must believe in the possibility that God does not exist.
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Aren't we all agnostics to a certain degree? We all doubt sometimes, I suppose. Some more than others. ;):cool:
 
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TheReligionofFour

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Kerr said:
Then I take it theists are agnostics to, since they cannot prove that God does actually exist and therefor must believe in the possibility that God does not exist.
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Some have their own proof, as in FEELINGS and such, what they chose to perceive as "know" to be true is up to me, its relative.
 
Me Myself

Me Myself

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TheReligionofFour said:
As in "big bang"? No, but a supernatural cause, probably had a supernatural creator no?
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If that was the case, the supernatural creator would also need another creator, ebcause the creator would be the cause. Which would lead to an endless creator creation cycle before the Big Bang. So it just moves the problem.

TheReligionofFour said:
If it didnt, fine, you still lived happier, more optimistic than most.
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As I already showed you, buddhist atheist monks tend to be a lot happier more optimistic than most theists.

So theism doesn´t necessarily make people happier, I´ve seen very miserable theists, that I can tell you.
 
shawn001

shawn001

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TheReligionofFour said:
Of course I can't 100% prove he exists, that's why there is faith. DERP! :facepalm:

There's SUFFICIENT proof, just think about the beginning, there was nothing right? we are supposedly 16 billion years old, so what got the ball to roll?

So simple and obvious.
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"There's SUFFICIENT proof"

No there isn't.

"At first sight, it seems remarkable that the universe is so finely tuned. Maybe this is evidence, that the universe was specially designed to produce the human race. However, one has to be careful about such arguments, because of what is known as the Anthropic Principle. This is based on the self-evident truth, that if the universe had not been suitable for life, we wouldn't be asking why it is so finely adjusted. One can apply the Anthropic Principle, in either its Strong, or Weak, versions. For the Strong Anthropic Principle, one supposes that there are many different universes, each with different values of the physical constants. In a small number, the values will allow the existence of objects like carbon atoms, which can act as the building blocks of living systems. Since we must live in one of these universes, we should not be surprised that the physical constants are finely tuned. If they weren't, we wouldn't be here."

Life in the Universe - Stephen Hawking


" so what got the ball to roll"


Its possible "Quatum flutuations" and this does not require any designer.

"All of these particles consist of positive energy. This energy, however, is exactly balanced by the negative gravitational energy of everything pulling on everything else. In other words, the total energy of the universe is zero!"

ASP: A Universe from Nothing
 
shawn001

shawn001

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TheReligionofFour said:
It's a mystery, but to me there is for sure at least one creator, because hey, WE ARE HERE!
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Originally Posted by shawn001
“I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.”

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Stephen Roberts

So do you believe in just "one designer" or all of them?


"but to me there is for sure at least one creator"

which one would that be? Since its a mystery to you then your guessing which one it is or it might even be aliens?

That also makes you an atheist to all others if you just believe in one?

"because hey, WE ARE HERE"

Doesn't mean the universe was designed as has been pointed out to you.

I am not an atheist either.
 
The Neo Nerd

The Neo Nerd

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mball1297 said:
No, an intellectually honest atheist will admit that some nebulous vague god-concept could possibly exist maybe. Then they'll admit that there is no reason to believe that such a thing exists, just like there is no reason to believe that leprechauns exist, and so consider him/herself an atheist since he/she lacks the belief that a god exists. Then admitting that it's impossible to know with certainty whether or not a god exists, he/she will also consider him/herself an agnostic as well as an atheist.
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No an intellectually honest atheist would say:

We cannot prove that there isn't some form of god out there. But we don't believe any of the ones imagined so far do exist.

Therefore it is quite reasonable to be an agnostic atheist.
 
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