There is no evidence that even if a deity exists you have anymore idea of its nature than those of other faiths.
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Why do atheists haunt religious forums?
- Thread starter newhope101
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There is no evidence that even if a deity exists you have anymore idea of its nature than those of other faiths.
Smoke
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smoke
christian debates, is a wanted learning experience, we all believe in our father, (common interest) we may have different understandings. for example, what are the different definitions of the sword in the bible? or what is the eye of the needle Jesus speaks of. your answer showed me why you answered that way.
christian debates, is a wanted learning experience, we all believe in our father, (common interest) we may have different understandings. for example, what are the different definitions of the sword in the bible? or what is the eye of the needle Jesus speaks of. your answer showed me why you answered that way.
McBell
Unbound
Perhaps it is not so wise to be so quick in your attempt to ratify your assumptions?
Too bad so many of them confuse the symbol with the reality, and therefore over-value belief in God to such a degree.
It may be a good thing. I wouldn't know, since it is such a vague statement that covers such wildly varying motivations and situations.
I believe you would be surprised on what some of us are curious about, however. Many atheists simply don't bother with the idea of God because they have long understood its is not generally suited to literal belief.
How would we define one? There is a number of ways.
As Smoke pointed out, the Christian Bible is in fact a major resource in building Atheism. But if you mean some sort of "Holy Atheist Book" then generally no. Or you might instead understand that non-theist Holy Books such as the Buddhist Canon, Tao Te Ching or even the (mostly unwritten) Shinto traditions count. Then again there are the satyrical movements that are simply tired of proselytizing and built their own texts, which no one takes seriously.
It is difficult to understand Atheists if one thinks of them as consistently anti-theists. Many are instead tired or indifferent.
That probably happens once in a while, but quite frankly, it hardly ever needs to. You're seeing a simetry with theist apologetics that simply is not there.
Atheism does not need to be justified, you know. It often enough is not even recognized as such.
Good luck. Why you think of "falling into" Atheist thinking as a problem, however, I don't know. I can only guess you don't understand Atheism very well, for it is not a problem to be solved, but rather a matter of intelectual and spiritual honesty that does not even hint at an underlying problem.
I guess it can. I may never find out, since I will probably die decades before the opportunity presents itself. Until them we will all be busy with helping some theists understand how poorly atheism fits their preconceptions.
And it is in fact a very rare occurrence when coming from atheists, although there are those who refuse to admit it. Most atheists know way[/] more about God, and specifically Christianity's claims about God, than they would ever care to know.
Enemies? Surely you don't think Theists and Atheists are enemies of each other, do you? That would me a very gross misunderstanding, with hardly any support in facts.
Smoke
Done here.
No, I was just trying to point out that the questions don't deserve an answer.
There are Christian forums where you need not be distracted by non-Christians or waste your valuable inter-Christian discussion time questioning the motives of non-Christians.
Caladan
Agnostic Pantheist
The main directory of this forum reads: Religious Education Forum. there are members here who come to explore religious phenomena, such as myself. furthermore, as this forum is also home to Satanism and Left Hand Path forums and Secular and Atheist forums, does that mean that Christians join this forum to turn to the Black Arts, or to turn to atheism?
I think people need to let go of their religious-centrism, and appreciate the full scope of this forum more. this isnt a Christian forum, and I would say that for many members, this isnt a 'religious forum' at all, but a religious Education forum, as the main directory indicates.
Not that I know of. And if there where I wouldn´t care anyway, since I doubt I would be interested it.
Theists also resorts to ignorance or denial at times. It is not a matter of ones position when it comes to God, it is just a matter of the people involved.
No one has to justify being an atheist any more then one has to justify being a theist.
I am confused. But if I am not mistaken, and it is fully possible I am, it seems like you consider atheists and theists to be enemies, or at last two different sides. I couldn´t disagree more. I have too many good friends that believe in God to think it would make them my enemy.
Because debating gives you something, at last if you do it right. It lets you hear other perspectives then your own on different matters, and may even help you to understand .
Atheism is not something you convert to, it is not a religion or something that can be compared with a religion. It deals with a single topic, the existence of deities. Nothing more, nothing less. Just like theism deals with that same topic and still cannot be called a religion.
Atheism isn't a religion, it is simply a disbelief in the existence of a deity, no big deal.
Caladan
Agnostic Pantheist
And this is why atheists join a religious forum? really?
Autodidact
Intentionally Blank
pssst: Look behind the couch.
Michigan Atheist
Member
I must respectfully disagree with your statement, as I am sure others have done. Atheism is NOT a religion, in fact it is the complete opposite of religion, it is the anti-religion, if you will.
I think I answered this thread before, but I'll do so again, bear with me. Atheists are, by nature I think, a curious bunch. We are all over the sociological, psychological, and educational scales. The reasons people give for being atheist are all over the place, ranging from how they were reared to some epiphany or sudden realization that there were simply NO credible evidences for the existence of god.
Reading the bible is perhaps the easiest way to obtain both an appreciation for theism and atheism, depending on how you interpret what you read. I truly believe that those of us who are atheists, come to forums like this for many reasons, ranging from those who just want to be combative, to those of us who want to understand the overwhelming pull of religion on the lives of seemingly enlightened humans. I hope this helps, just a bit.
Wotan
Active Member
"Originally Posted by keeperoftheprison
Christians want to help others find God. You have to find people willing to discuss religion and trying to find answers. Every athiest or agnostic person here is looking to find something or at least curious. That is a good thing."
We've noticed. And there is the answer to your question. At least for me.
For many of your fellow believers especially those of the Christian and Muslim persuasion your "to help others find god" phraseology is a little shall we say - polite.
The actual mission is "To spread the faith by reason where possible and fire and sword where necessary." And millions of them are actively engaged in exactly that as we speak. And have every intention of being universally successful in that endeavor. And many thousands of them have willing even eagerly given their lives to see that end accomplished.
So why do I keep an eye on the religious among us? That I may know my enemy.
Christians want to help others find God. You have to find people willing to discuss religion and trying to find answers. Every athiest or agnostic person here is looking to find something or at least curious. That is a good thing."
We've noticed. And there is the answer to your question. At least for me.
For many of your fellow believers especially those of the Christian and Muslim persuasion your "to help others find god" phraseology is a little shall we say - polite.
The actual mission is "To spread the faith by reason where possible and fire and sword where necessary." And millions of them are actively engaged in exactly that as we speak. And have every intention of being universally successful in that endeavor. And many thousands of them have willing even eagerly given their lives to see that end accomplished.
So why do I keep an eye on the religious among us? That I may know my enemy.
jmvizanko
Uber Tool
But if you are uncertain about god's existence then you dont believe god exists, which makes you an atheist. You can be agnostic and a theist (you dont know but have faith) an agnostic and an atheist (you dont know yet believe there is no god) or you can claim to know and be a theist or an atheist. If you are agnostic, that means you believe in some kind of probability that god exists, bt depending on what that number is, you are
an atheist or a theist. Agnosticism does not represent the middle of this spectrum, because you can be 100% agnostic yet claim you basically know god exists, just like a strog atheist can say that he cant know god doesnt exist, yet still think he doesnt.
Atheism is indeed quite different from religion, but not particularly opposed to it. In fact, the two things are pretty much unrelated to each other. Most Christians, for instance, don't change their lives completely so that it revolves around their belief that Jesus is God. It is just a catchphrase or a superficial belief that they have adopted in their social interactions.
A sufficiently close comparison is that diet is not really related to religion, although some religions make a point of demanding specific diets.
However, we must take into consideration that religion is a mental concept, and Zenzero is not one to encourage attachments to mental concepts...