Why do atheists talk to believers so much?

[Unveiled Artist]

NOBODY knows the nature of God. I cannot tell you something I do not know. I told you this numerous times. Why do you keep asking?

I do not know how much more direct I can be.

I am not trying to educate anyone. I am just responding to posts.

You did say you come to discuss and educate rather than debate.

Educate is not a bad thing.

How can you discuss your faith to those who do not understand

when you cannnot describe the nature of god?

I KNOW you do not know; that is the point of the question.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

No, there is no divinity like Baha'u'llah in the world today because we don't need one. We have the Writings of Baha'u'llah.

What is the difference between then and now?

When did divinity stop to where there are no divine persons today as there were 193 years ago, if I did the math right?

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

That is not what I said. It does not mean that God does not love atheists just because God won't change His Method of communication to make them aware of His existence. Love is not about giving people what they want; it is about giving people what is best for them. Do you give your kids everything they want just to prove you love them?

No, it is not “real love” to do for others what they can do for themselves and what is beneficial for them to do for themselves. Is it real love to keep your kids at home after they are grown up instead of allowing them to go out on their own, go to college, get married, get a job, and raise a family?

Your analogy falls flat on its face for more than one reason. First, you cannot compare God to human and human to human relationships because God is not a human; but even if you could, your analogy fails because most people are not handicapped. They have a brain and free will and they can use it to search for evidence of God. Why would God expect them to believe in Him if He did not create them with that capacity? Read this carefully:

“Suffer not yourselves to be wrapt in the dense veils of your selfish desires, inasmuch as I have perfected in every one of you My creation, so that the excellence of My handiwork may be fully revealed unto men. It follows, therefore, that every man hath been, and will continue to be, able of himself to appreciate the Beauty of God, the Glorified. Had he not been endowed with such a capacity, how could he be called to account for his failure?” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 143​

I really do not know what you expect God to do. I really do not know why you think you know that God is not doing anything. There are plenty of believers who would testify otherwise. Is their experience worth nothing?

You are free to believe anything you want to about God and say whatever you want to say about God. That is precisely what you have a brain and free will.

What has your life been like? Do you have children? Do you have a good job? I could never have children given what I have had to endure in my life. Do you know how much that hurts?

I won’t even tell you the HELL I have been through all my life because you would say I was trying to get sympathy. And it ain’t over yet. But facts are facts and the psychiatrists, psychologists, counselors and social workers can attest to them.... My life has been a holy living hell... What do you have to complain about? What did God do to you? If anyone should be complaining about God it should be me, and I did, believe me I did. For many, many years, I hated God for allowing me to suffer as I have.

Meanwhile, all the people I have been surrounded by daily for over 40 years of my career were happy and had no such problems as I have had. The management at the federal job I worked in back in the early 1980s tried to put me out on permanent disability because my depression was that bad even with antidepressants,and they did not think I would ever be able to work. But I fought it tooth and nail and I got better, slowly but surely...

For over 15 years all I did was “recovery work.” I was a Baha’i during these years but I abandoned the Baha’i faith to do my recovery work. Clearly, I was not fit to be a Baha’i in that condition, even though none of it was my fault. Both my parents and both by siblings also suffered from major depression and anxiety, it is hereditary. On top of that neither parent wanted any of us children. It was a setup for hell.

Do you know what? I was handicapped and so was my brother and sister, and that could well be the reason why God guided all of us to the Baha’i Faith. So don’t tell me God does not love people and care about them. Have you ever cried out to God for help, or do you just expect Him to come running after you? I know former atheists who are now believers who have cried out and help came from God shortly thereafter. They got signs from God, incontrovertible signs, and they never looked back.... Funny thing, the very first thing both of them did was come to a Baha’i forum and they also went to a Christian forum and studied the Bible.

I am not trying to change how you feel about God -- been there, done that. But I finally realized I was just shooting myself in the foot to hate God. I do not expect that to happen to you. I had to make a suicide attempt in June 2014 before I finally realized that there was nowhere left to turn but to God... It has been all uphill since then, with a few bumps in the road. Mind you, before that I had been going to counselors for many, many years but they did not help me at all. I have not been to a counselor since.

It sounds like you have had a tough time of things, and I admit that by comparison I have not suffered. I tend to be of a particular disposition on suffering however - realizing that there are merely situations I am to face, and facing them I must if I am to get through them. To the point that even if I were suffering greatly by other people's standards, I would simply see it as the situation I was in. It's more the way I believe animals encounter the world. They simply deal with circumstances as they are now, and don't focus on what things could be like or supposedly "should" be like by their estimation. They have no estimation. And this is how I usually approach things. I maintain very few expectations in all matters.

And, for the record, I expect nothing of God. That's just it. There is nothing to be expected. Who or what is there to expect anything from? There is nothing. There is no one. There are the circumstances I find myself in. That's all.

 

[Trailblazer]

It doesn't prove this, no, but it does seem like your god is part of a larger trend.

"There have been nearly 3,000 gods so far but only yours actually exists.

"The others are silly made-up nonsense.

"But not yours.

"Yours is real."

- Ricky Gervais

I do not have “my own God.”

There is just One God, a God who loves and nurtures all of humanity, believers and nonbelievers.

The “One God” is the God who is responsible for all of existence, the God that revealed all the religions.

God is omnipotent and omniscient, so there is no need for more than One God.

 

[Trailblazer]

You did say you come to discuss and educate rather than debate.

Educate is not a bad thing.

How can you discuss your faith to those who do not understand

when you cannnot describe the nature of god?

I KNOW you do not know; that is the point of the question.

I said that I teach the Baha’i Faith if people are interested in knowing about it.

There is nobody else except you who is asking about the Nature of God. What does that tell you? It tells me that other people do not care about the Nature of God. They care about knowing if God exists, but one does not need to know the Nature of God in order to know God exists. Moreover, the Nature of God is not necessary to know in order to discuss Baha’u’llah or the Baha’i Faith.

We can know the Attributes of God and the Will of God because Baha’u’llah revealed those, but that is all we can know about God. We cannot know the intrinsic nature of God. Not even Baha’u’llah knew that so how could we ever know it?

 

[Trailblazer]

What is the difference between then and now?

When did divinity stop to where there are no divine persons today as there were 193 years ago, if I did the math right?

It has been 155 years since Baha’u’llah declared His Mission in 1863...

There is no need for divine persons in the world now since we have the Writings of Baha’u’llah.

Another divine person who will come later, when humanity needs another one.

 

[Trailblazer]

It sounds like you have had a tough time of things, and I admit that by comparison I have not suffered. I tend to be of a particular disposition on suffering however - realizing that there are merely situations I am to face, and facing them I must if I am to get through them. To the point that even if I were suffering greatly by other people's standards, I would simply see it as the situation I was in. It's more the way I believe animals encounter the world. They simply deal with circumstances as they are now, and don't focus on what things could be like or supposedly "should" be like by their estimation. They have no estimation. And this is how I usually approach things. I maintain very few expectations in all matters.

I am that way too. I just face reality head on and walk through it. That is the only way I have been able to get through what I have endured in life. I used to compare myself with others but I do not do that very much anymore. I just accept my life and that it is different from others’ lives. There are some good things I have such asa good job, a nice husband good health. I also have financial security and more money and assets than I will ever need, but this was not handed to me on a silver platter. It came from hard work, saving and investing. I probably would not have as much if I had been thinking about God most of my life, because my focus would be elsewhere. But I wasn’t thinking about God for most of my life. My “God phase” is a fairly recent development.

And, for the record, I expect nothing of God. That's just it. There is nothing to be expected. Who or what is there to expect anything from? There is nothing. There is no one. There are the circumstances I find myself in. That's all.

That is a good attitude to have. I do not expect anything from God either, nor do I expect anything of other people. I have always been very self-sufficient since I had no guidance as a child.

So I guess we have some things in common.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I said that I teach the Baha’i Faith if people are interested in knowing about it.

There is nobody else except you who is asking about the Nature of God. What does that tell you? It tells me that other people do not care about the Nature of God. They care about knowing if God exists, but one does not need to know the Nature of God in order to know God exists. Moreover, the Nature of God is not necessary to know in order to discuss Baha’u’llah or the Baha’i Faith.

We can know the Attributes of God and the Will of God because Baha’u’llah revealed those, but that is all we can know about God. We cannot know the intrinsic nature of God. Not even Baha’u’llah knew that so how could we ever know it?

(I read what you said)

The problem is, Trail, is not everyone is like you. A lot of US learn differently to draw and possibly come to the same conclusions. Not all of us just trust without knowing anything about the source of who or what we are deciding to trust. Not all of us take that much faith in something written but we cannot meet the author to whom that book is attributed to.

A lot of people DO want to know the nature of god:

WHO god is; WHAT he is.

Not why. Not what he said. Not what his messangers say.

We MUST know the source before we can trust and/or understand any person (god, messenger, manifestation, demigod, human being of the 21st century) who talk for it.

If I do not know the source, whoever is the messenger would be irrelvant because I cannot cross reference what the messenger sent me is actually true.

Belief and trust does not make something a fact; nor, does it make sense to some to trust somebody they

1. do not know and
2. do not know the person who talks about him because that person (jesus, bahaullah, moses) are dead.

But christians, bahais, and muslims want to believe their messenger(s) anyhow without even describing who the source the messenger actually speaks of. But unlike Muslims (thank gosh), messangers are not considered manifestations of god nor seen as trinitarian worldview (which sounds the same).

I know you cannot tell us the nature of god. I KNOW.

That does not excuse the fact you must know the nature in order to talk about bahaullah and the validity of his claim (regardless if its just your belief) and so we can understand why you believe something to which you do not know the nature of.

Yes. A lot of US do want to know what you and other bahais believe because if you are to educate by talking about bahaullah you must at least know who you are talking about so the rest of us can say

Now. I understand. God is X and bahaullah can speak for X because now I see how Bahaullah and god work together. But since I dontk now the nature of god, what you say (unless you have new information you have not yet quoted) is irrelevant.

I know you think its true. You cant argue its validity in any form when you cant explain what you are talking about.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

It has been 155 years since Baha’u’llah declared His Mission in 1863...

There is no need for divine persons in the world now since we have the Writings of Baha’u’llah.

Another divine person who will come later, when humanity needs another one.

That even makes my point even stronger. The closer you get to the 21st century, the less credibility and less divinity messangers seem to have.

I know there is no use for them today; that doesnt answer my question.

What is different from then and now?

When did divinity stop to where there are no messangers as there were only 155 years ago?

Come on now! A persons life span is 100 years. Thats about two peoples life spans before divinity just went out the window.

 

[Trailblazer]

(I read what you said)

The problem is, Trail, is not everyone is like you. A lot of US learn differently to draw and possibly come to the same conclusions. Not all of us just trust without knowing anything about the source of who or what we are deciding to trust. Not all of us take that much faith in something written but we cannot meet the author to whom that book is attributed to.

A lot of people DO want to know the nature of god:

WHO god is; WHAT he is.

Not why. Not what he said. Not what his messangers say.

Not everyone is not like you either. I have not heard one person on this forum except you say they MUST know the Nature of God. I have heard them say that they must know that God exists before they are going to believe in a Messenger of God, but that is very different.

Nobody can ever know WHO god is; WHAT God is.

We MUST know the source before we can trust and/or understand any person (god, messenger, manifestation, demigod, human being of the 21st century) who talk for it.

If I do not know the source, whoever is the messenger would be irrelvant because I cannot cross reference what the messenger sent me is actually true.

Well then, I guess you should pack it up and call it a day because NOBODY knows the Nature of God.

I know you cannot tell us the nature of god. I KNOW.

That does not excuse the fact you must know the nature in order to talk about bahaullah and the validity of his claim (regardless if its just your belief) and so we can understand why you believe something to which you do not know the nature of.

No, I do not need to know the Nature of God to talk about Baha'u'llah and His claim. NOBODY ever told me that except you.

 

[Trailblazer]

That even makes my point even stronger. The closer you get to the 21st century, the less credibility and less divinity messangers seem to have.

I know there is no use for them today; that doesnt answer my question.

What is different from then and now?

When did divinity stop to where there are no messangers as there were only 155 years ago?

Come on now! A persons life span is 100 years. Thats about two peoples life spans before divinity just went out the window.

We do not need a divine man living on earth all the time. Look at all the years between Jesus and Muhammad and all the years between Muhammad and the Bab and Baha'u'llah. Divinity did not go out the window in between the coming of those Manifestation of God. It was kept alive by the New Testament and the Holy Qur'an.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

We do not need a divine man living on earth all the time. Look at all the years between Jesus and Muhammad and all the years between Muhammad and the Bab and Baha'u'llah. Divinity did not go out the window in between the coming of those Manifestation of God. It was kept alive by the New Testament and the Holy Qur'an.

Is it possible a messanger can be here now?

I know we do not need to know the nature. That is not my point.

I personaly have never knew what a god is nonetheless who. That word does not add up in my reality. I cant sit in front of the window as I usually do and think "there is a god". That makes no sense. Then have messengers, people speaking for god, god resurrected, demigods, divine people, angels, and so forth just flies over my head. I wasnt raised christian nor any god-faith. I never had any personal relationship with the bible.

So, I dont know how many real atheists you spoke with (in person), but you cannot generalize them all in one boat just because we call ourselves atheist.

Another thing, I never even heard of the word until I came on RF. I live in a christian housing unit, christian environment, state, and country so atheists doesnt pop up, if not at all, in my area.

Saying and given this is RF, yes, I do want to know the nature of god. Not for seeking purposes. Im curious. What is the Muslim definition? Jews dont describe him (I understand their position the most out of other abrahamics I spoke with). What is the Pagan god for that matter? Was is a deity? What is a spirit?

So, yes, if you want to converse about bahaullah, you have to give a foundation to which I can validate the truth of what bahaullah talks about (so it makes sense and wont be a foreign language) Anyone can say, god-said-this. But did god really say it or is it just the messengers saying how they describe god without even knowing god for themselves as well.

Stuff like that. Many believers dont think about gods nature. Which is odd but I respect christians a bit more in that most believe god is jesus not a manifestation nor a prophet or a messenger. So, when I took sacraments, by their definition, that was the only definition of god I know: a human.

What is a muslim god? what a jewish god? bahai? a pagan? a hindu? what is a buddhist deity? What exactly do Lukumi mean when they talk about orishas. How many definitions of the creator do yall need? What IS the creator anyhow?

Are you guys just throwing words around? Seems like some atheists know more about god than I do even though they say they dont believe in him.

Thats my background. My question still stands: How do you talk about what bahaullah says when you do not know the nature to whom bahaullah talks about?

I know you cannot.
I know you find it not important.

Thats not my question: its how. Not why not. Not what.

 

[Trailblazer]

Is it possible a messanger can be here now?

Not according to my Baha’i beliefs, because Baha’u’llah wrote that no more Prophets could come for at least 1000 years from when He came, so not before 2852 A.D.

I personaly have never knew what a god is nonetheless who. That word does not add up in my reality. I cant sit in front of the window as I usually do and think "there is a god". That makes no sense.

I can’t sit in front of the window as I usually do and think "there is no God". That makes no sense.

Then have messengers, people speaking for god, god resurrected, demigods, divine people, angels, and so forth just flies over my head. I wasnt raised christian nor any god-faith. I never had any personal relationship with the bible.

I was not raised Christian either and I never had any personal relationship with the Bible. I had no religion growing up and I cannot recall believing in God. I only started thinking about God when I became a Baha’i in my first year of college.

So, I dont know how many real atheists you spoke with, but you cannot generalize them all in one boat just because we call ourselves atheist.

No, of course I cannot generalize. All atheists are just as different from each other as believers are different from each other.

So, yes, if you want to converse about bahaullah, you have to give a foundation to which I can validate the truth of what bahaullah talks about. Anyone can say, god-said-this. But did god realy say it or is it just the messengers saying how they describe god without even knowing god for themselves as well.

See my description of God below.

Which is odd but I respect christians a bit more in that most believe god is jesus not a manifestation nor a prophet or a messanger.

But Christians are wrong because the Almighty God cannot become a man, and He didn’t. Jesus was a Manifestation of God, not God incarnate.

Thats my background. My question still stands: How do you talk about what bahaullah says when you do not know the nature to whom bahaullah talks about?

The answer is...... I KNOW the Attributes of God and some of those Attributes define God’s Nature, although the Intrinsic Nature (Essence) of God is unknowable.

Here are some of God’s Attributes that are unique to God. You can consider them part of God’s Nature: Eternal, Holy, Unchanging, Impassable, Infinite, All-powerful, Omnipresent, All-Wise, All-Knowing, Self-Existent, Self-Sufficient, Sovereign, and Immaterial.

Here are “some” other Attributes that the Manifestations of God share with God (this list is by no means all-inclusive). All humans also have the “potential” to reflect these Attributes: Good, Loving, Gracious, Merciful, Just, Forgiving, Patient.

I do not need to know the Intrinsic Nature of God.
I do not want to know the Intrinsic Nature of God.
Nobody can ever know the Intrinsic Nature of God.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Not according to my Baha’i beliefs, because Baha’u’llah wrote that no more Prophets could come for at least 1000 years from when He came, so not before 2852 A.D.

I can’t sit in front of the window as I usually do and think "there is no God". That makes no sense.

I was not raised Christian either and I never had any personal relationship with the Bible. I had no religion growing up and I cannot recall believing in God. I only started thinking about God when I became a Baha’i in my first year of college.

No, of course I cannot generalize. All atheists are just as different from each other as believers are different from each other.

See my description of God below.

But Christians are wrong because the Almighty God cannot become a man, and He didn’t. Jesus was a Manifestation of God, not God incarnate.

The answer is...... I KNOW the Attributes of God and some of those Attributes define God’s Nature, although the Intrinsic Nature (Essence) of God is unknowable.

Here are some of God’s Attributes that are unique to God. You can consider them part of God’s Nature: Eternal, Holy, Unchanging, Impassable, Infinite, All-powerful, Omnipresent, All-Wise, All-Knowing, Self-Existent, Self-Sufficient, Sovereign, and Immaterial.

Here are “some” other Attributes that the Manifestations of God share with God (this list is by no means all-inclusive). All humans also have the “potential” to reflect these Attributes: Good, Loving, Gracious, Merciful, Just, Forgiving, Patient.

I do not need to know the Intrinsic Nature of God.
I do not want to know the Intrinsic Nature of God.
Nobody can ever know the Intrinsic Nature of God.

Thank you. Ill get back to the rest in a bit.

One question.

How do you define gods attributes apart from his nature?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Not according to my Baha’i beliefs, because Baha’u’llah wrote that no more Prophets could come for at least 1000 years from when He came, so not before 2852 A.D.

Hmm. Its a hypothetical question but thats okay. Just wondering.

I can’t sit in front of the window as I usually do and think "there is no God". That makes no sense.

What do you mean? Are you agreeing? Quoting me in your 'voice' without commentary is confusing. Can you rephrase in your own words? Quoting anything doesnt me unless its with comments for context.

was not raised Christian either and I never had any personal relationship with the Bible. I had no religion growing up and I cannot recall believing in God. I only started thinking about God when I became a Baha’i in my first year of college.

Was it you did not have it because you were not aware of his presence? More like you were missing something that wasnt there?

I know a lot of atheists online (since I know none in person) say they were atheists until god -shown them- or revealed to them his love. Then they learned about god with whom they knew -something- exist prior to their knowing god personally.

This is assuming they know god personally since personal relationships are much more intense than through a middle party, christ included.

No, of course I cannot generalize. All atheists are just as different from each other as believers are different from each other.

Ill just say your other threads does not reflect that. But people do generalize. Thats natural in some cases but not appropriate in others.

The answer is...... I KNOW the Attributes of God and some of those Attributes define God’s Nature, although the Intrinsic Nature (Essence) of God is unknowable.

edit What importance is his attributes apart from his nature?

Since you dont know his nature, what relevance are the attributes when they arent describing something you dont know?

Here are some of God’s Attributes that are unique to God. You can consider them part of God’s Nature: Eternal, Holy, Unchanging, Impassable, Infinite, All-powerful, Omnipresent, All-Wise, All-Knowing, Self-Existent, Self-Sufficient, Sovereign, and Immaterial.

Here are “some” other Attributes that the Manifestations of God share with God (this list is by no means all-inclusive). All humans also have the “potential” to reflect these Attributes: Good, Loving, Gracious, Merciful, Just, Forgiving, Patient.

Sounds like gods nature. Since they are not, Im confused. Gods nature isnt loving (since you dont know it) yet he has a good and just attribute. So you are using adjectives without defining the noun.

Thats confusing.

I do not need to know the Intrinsic Nature of God.
I do not want to know the Intrinsic Nature of God.
Nobody can ever know the

Which makes it hard to understand the relevance of the attributes. Therefore, hard to understand what bahaullah means when he is talking about attributes to a god he too doesnt know the nature.

Kinda like saying X has four arms, ten toes, hair, and a small noes. I ask you what is it. You say you dont know. That doesnt help. It could be an animal or a human.

But, since -I know- you dont know; -and-, it is still confusing.

So that is why I ask how can you talk about bahaullah when you dont know nor do -you- think its important to know his nature? That makes it hard to really go into the bahai belief. But many people trust because they need to. Ive never been like that. Shrugs.

 

[Trailblazer]

Thank you. Ill get back to the rest in a bit.

One question.

How do you define gods attributes apart from his nature?

God's Attributes are qualities of God, everything we know about God from the scriptures, and they are consistent across all the Abrahamic religions.

God's intrinsic nature is what I call the Essence of God, such as what God is comprised of, how God thinks, how God functions, where God dwells, stuff like that. Nobody can ever know these things about God, they will forever remain a complete Mystery.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

God's Attributes are qualities of God, everything we know about God from the scriptures, and they are consistent across all the Abrahamic religions.

God's intrinsic nature is what I call the Essence of God, such as what God is comprised of, how God thinks, how God functions, where God dwells, stuff like that. Nobody can ever know these things about God, they will forever remain a complete Mystery.

I dont know the difference between the two. A human being doesnt exist apart from the physical and mental part of him. We cant call it a human being with out it. So, his attributes -skin, hair, anger, thoughts- are his attributes -and- they make up his nature to whom we call a human being.

Same logic. Attributes doesnt validate gods existence therefore bahaullahs words being true. But I am more likely to trust someone I have a personal experience with so religions like hinduism without prophets and manifestations work with me better.

 

[Trailblazer]

What do you mean? Are you agreeing? Quoting me in your 'voice' without commentary is confusing. Can you rephrase in your own words? Quoting anything doesnt me unless its with comments for context.

What I meant is that it makes no sense to me that there is no God. In other words, it makes sense to me that there is a God.

Was it you did not have it because you were not aware of his presence? More like you were missing something that wasnt there?

No, it was because my parents never talked about God or religion, so I never thought about either one. We were a closed family system, so there was no socializing with others outside the family. I had no idea what other people believed. I was a very shy child so I did not mix with other children at school.

I know a lot of atheists online (since I know none in person) say they were atheists until god -shown them- or revealed to them his love. Then they learned about god with whom they knew -something- exist prior to their knowing god personally.

This is assuming they know god personally since personal relationships are much more intence than through a middle party, christ included.

That is not an experience I have had, and I do not believe that God reveals Himself to anyone personally, although I think people can have a sense about God’s presence or God assisting them, guiding their mind. I have had that happen.

What is his attributes apart from his nature?

Since you dont know his nature, what relevants are the attributes when they arent describing something you dont know?

Jesus and Muhammad and Baha’u’llah revealed the Attributes of God that we are able to know, the ones I listed before. We cannot know the intrinsic nature of God, such as what God is comprised of, how God thinks, how God functions, where God dwells, stuff like that. Nobody can ever know these things about God, they will forever remain a complete Mystery.

Sounds like gods nature. Since they are not, Im confused. Gods nature isnt loving (since you dont know it) yet he has a good and just attribute. So you are using adjectives without defining the noun.
Thats confusing.

I think this is just a matter of semantics.

Nature: the basic or inherent features of something, especially when seen as characteristic of it.

So we can know “something” about God’s nature, just not God’s intrinsic nature.

Essence: the intrinsic nature or indispensable quality of something, especially something abstract, that determines its character.

Which makes it hard to understand the relevants of attributes. Therefore, hard to understand what bahaullah means when he is talking about attributes to a god he too doesnt know the nature.

Kinda like saying X has four arms, ten toes, hair, and a small noes. I ask you what is it. You say you dont know. That doesnt help. It could be an animal or a human.

But, since -I know- you dont know, it is still confusing.

So that is why I ask how can you talk about bahaullah when you dont know nor do -you- think its important to know his nature. That makes it hard to really go into the bahai belief. But many people trust because they need to. Ive never been like that. Shrugs.

Maybe this will help:

God in the Bahá'í Faith

Bahá'í view of God is essentially monotheistic. God is the imperishable, uncreated being who is the source of all existence.[1] He is described as "a personal God, unknowable, inaccessible, the source of all Revelation, eternal, omniscient, omnipresent and almighty".[2][3] Though transcendent and inaccessible directly, his image is reflected in his creation. The purpose of creation is for the created to have the capacity to know and love its creator.[4] God communicates his will and purpose to humanity through intermediaries, known as Manifestations of God, who are the prophets and messengers that have founded religions from prehistoric times up to the present day.[5]

Personal God

While the Bahá'í writings teach of a personal god who is a being with a personality (including the capacity to reason and to feel love), they clearly state that this does not imply a human or physical form.[2]Shoghi Effendi writes:

What is meant by personal God is a God Who is conscious of His creation, Who has a Mind, a Will, a Purpose, and not, as many scientists and materialists believe, an unconscious and determined force operating in the universe. Such conception of the Divine Being, as the Supreme and ever present Reality in the world, is not anthropomorphic, for it transcends all human limitations and forms, and does by no means attempt to define the essence of Divinity which is obviously beyond any human comprehension. To say that God is a personal Reality does not mean that He has a physical form, or does in any way resemble a human being. To entertain such belief would be sheer blasphemy.[17][18]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God in the Baha'i Faith

 

[Trailblazer]

I dont know the difference between the two. A human being doesnt exist apart from the physical and mental part of him. We cant call it a human being with out it. So, his attributes -skin, hair, anger, thoughts- are his attributes -and- they make up his nature to whom we call a human being.

God is not a human being. We cannot know what God is made up of. We cannot even conceptualize God. Read what I posted about the Bahai view of God from Wikipedia.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

God is not a human being. We cannot know what God is made up of. We cannot even conceptualize God. Read what I posted about the Bahai view of God from Wikipedia.

His attributes (just, loving, etc) sound like his nature. I dont know how you tell them apart.

Do you have another way to describe the differences?

I read the exercpt already.