Why do Gentiles assume they should follow the ten commandments?

[tumbleweed41]

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[kjw47]

Other groups see it differently. Not to say they are right, but where to you get this idea from?

The psalmist David wrote-- The righteous will possess the earth and reside forever upon it-- also Jesus taught-- blessed are the meek for they will inherit the earth.

 

[roberto]

The psalmist David wrote-- The righteous will possess the earth and reside forever upon it-- also Jesus taught-- blessed are the meek for they will inherit the earth.

And the messiah taught : when you pray...>>..let Thy Kingdom COME .......

 

[sojourner]

What you just do not get is that people take on the identity of other persons and then perpetrate crimes under/with that identity, which is what has been done with the tru messiah's identity by Emporer Constantine in the year 325AD with our messiah Yeshua.

People are human beings, and everyone sins. That's just part of life. When we take on the identity of Jesus, we do so making the promise that we will grow to be like him. But whether we succeed or fail in that venture is for the judgment of 1) God, 2) ourselves, 3) the community of followers -- not outsiders. How can someone who doesn't know Jesus make a determination whether we're like him or not?

I'm not sure it's possible to make such a determination about Constantine. What crime did he commit? Do you have conclusive evidence? Did you know that Constantine was not a Xtian until on his deathbed?

Additionally, how is a certain interpretation about an ancient figure, the information about whom is largely mythic, determined to be "wrong" or "right?" All we have to go on is faith, and faith is all that is asked. I just don't see how anyone can make a justifiable determination that someone "doesn't belong" or "has no right to be _____" based upon the information available.

 

[sojourner]

Torah[law] was made flesh
Yeshuah is Torah[law].
If you follow Yeshua, you follow law.
If you follow "jesus" you follow anti-law/anti-messiah.

This is a misinterpretation of John and of the development of the Jesus Movement. Therefore, rather baseless.

 

[Nakosis]

The psalmist David wrote-- The righteous will possess the earth and reside forever upon it-- also Jesus taught-- blessed are the meek for they will inherit the earth.

David had his own ideas about God and what was important. But that was likely not anything to do with a resurrection. If you are a good person you'll have a good life. Says nothing about an afterlife.

The poor in spirit get the kingdom of heaven. Perhaps better to be poor in spirit or persecuted for your righteousness?

 

[roberto]

How can someone who doesn't know Jesus make a determination whether we're like him or not?

I knew him very well but needless to say that today I dispise what he taught me.

You see, my experiance of him is >>> its like having a drunk for a father who has no rules in his house and even tells his daughters to go out whoring to bring in money for the household/alcohol.

Now one day these daughters get maried and then experiance for themselves what a proper household with a law abiding father has to offer to his children.

Note: I am no longer a christian and do not believe that jes_s is the messiah.

 

[Nakosis]

I knew him very well but needless to say that today I dispise what he taught me.

You see, my experiance of him is >>> its like having a drunk for a father who has no rules in his house and even tells his daughters to go out whoring to bring in money for the household/alcohol.

Now one day these daughters get maried and then experiance for themselves what a proper household with a law abiding father has to offer to his children.

Note: I am no longer a christian and do not believe that jes_s is the messiah.

Then why concern yourself with the New Testament?

 

[Shermana]

Note: I am no longer a christian and do not believe that jes_s is the messiah.

This apparently must have happened very recently, you were posting in the Messianic DIR less than a month ago, may I ask what particularly made you decide against it?

needless to say that today I dispise what he taught me.

You're referring to what the text says, right?

 

[Shermana]

This is a misinterpretation of John and of the development of the Jesus Movement. Therefore, rather baseless.

If by "Torah" you mean "Wisdom", then you most definitely have what John and the original Jesus movement most likely believed, going by Philo's "Logos Theology" and that the Personified "Wisdom" was an actual Created being of Proverbs 8-9 (not just poetic but actually defining God's first act as creating a personified being of Wisdom), then you very much have what John and the Jesus movement initially believed before the whole Trinity madness started a century later.

 

[sojourner]

If by "Torah" you mean "Wisdom", then you most definitely have what John and the original Jesus movement most likely believed, going by Philo's "Logos Theology" and that the Personified "Wisdom" was an actual Created being of Proverbs 8-9 (not just poetic but actually defining God's first act as creating a personified being of Wisdom), then you very much have what John and the Jesus movement initially believed before the whole Trinity madness started a century later.

The Johanine community was most likely Jewish. But the Johanine community was only one small pod in the world of Xy -- even early on. The early Gentile communities, who would more likely not have known of John, and would not have espoused that take, had different ideas which were just as valid.

 

[kjw47]

David had his own ideas about God and what was important. But that was likely not anything to do with a resurrection. If you are a good person you'll have a good life. Says nothing about an afterlife.

The poor in spirit get the kingdom of heaven. Perhaps better to be poor in spirit or persecuted for your righteousness?

Yes David did have ideas about God--He knew truth, he knew all about the ressurection. Many good people will not see the afterlife because they are mislead--Matt 7: 21-23.

 

[Nakosis]

The Johanine community was most likely Jewish. But the Johanine community was only one small pod in the world of Xy -- even early on. The early Gentile communities, who would more likely not have known of John, and would not have espoused that take, had different ideas which were just as valid.

What do you mean "just as valid"?

That seems to imply no one really knows. No authoritative position.

The Apostles seem to disappear into history. No real lineage except what Paul provides.

Are we left to make our best guess? Whatever happens to seem reasonable? Especially if you don't happen to like Paul.

 

[Nakosis]

Yes David did have ideas about God--He knew truth, he knew all about the ressurection. Many good people will not see the afterlife because they are mislead--Matt 7: 21-23.

Not their fault, there seems no clear leadership with Christianity.

With that point, I might as well rely on myself to determine the right and wrong of it. Unless it is luck/Grace to happen upon the right teacher.

 

[Shermana]

Not their fault, there seems no clear leadership with Christianity.

I disagree. We don't necessarily need leaders. And the idea of "Clear leadership" is disputable, most churches have organized authority structures. I don't have a leader. Do you have a leader? We are all judged by what we were capable of doing and learning with our free time and resources. Unless they lived in a cave with no internet access or guides to history and Theology, it is in fact their own faults if they are too complacent to challenge what they are spoonfed.

 

[Shermana]

were just as valid.

Yeah, says who? Was every single interpretation of Christianity just as valid as those who were around for the original? The epistles are quite clear to not trust people with different versions than what they were speaking at the time. The question is...what they were speaking at the time. Were the Nicolation's interpretations just as valid?

The early Gentile communities, who would more likely not have known of John, and would not have espoused that take

If they didn't know about John, how is their take equally valid with those who did know John? Do you think everyone and anyone's interpretation is "Equally valid"? What does that mean exactly? What does validity matter in this case anyway? What does it mean if one interpretation is valid and another is not?

 

[kjw47]

Not their fault, there seems no clear leadership with Christianity.

With that point, I might as well rely on myself to determine the right and wrong of it. Unless it is luck/Grace to happen upon the right teacher.

If one took the time to study Jesus,s words they easily see a clear cut truth that exists in one single religion. Jesus started one single religion,God never used more than one single religion, afterall there is one truth-- They are untited in love and peace worldwide.

 

[roberto]

This apparently must have happened very recently, you were posting in the Messianic DIR less than a month ago, may I ask what particularly made you decide against it?

Shermana, it seems that even you do not understand what I believe and I have been trying to say it over and over and over and over.

This is the last time ill say what I believe :

There is nothing[not a thing] in Christianity that is the same[similar] as what was believed up to 325AD ....>> zulch, zappo, ziet, ga-nichts.

Jes_s and his two-day religion is NOT similar[the same] as the three day Yeshua and his sect.

It is two distinct[distanced] beliefs with two different[non-similar] messiahs, the one[jes_s ] being super-imposed over the other[Yeshua] to make them look as if one.

dis·tinct/disˈtiNGkt
Adjective:
Recognizably different in nature from something else of a similar type.
Physically separate.

What they said about Paul/Shaul :
Act 24:5 [HNV]For we have found this man to be a plague, an instigator of insurrections among all the Jews throughout the world, and a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes.

 

[Shermana]

Ah, you mean to say that you gave up on this western "Jesus" and what these historic pretenders are claiming and accept the Israelite Messiah as Yashua.

 

[roberto]

Yes David did have ideas about God--He knew truth, he knew all about the ressurection. Many good people will not see the afterlife because they are mislead--Matt 7: 21-23.

10 out of 10 for you Sire.:yes: