Why do homosexuals and transgenders force religious people to accept them?

[Draka]

As muslim i should have the freedom to denounce homosexuality and believe that it is something evil.
Iam not calling for the death of homos, lesbians and transgenders.

Do you feel that others have the freedom to denounce Islam and believe it is something evil? Are they allowed to voice that opinion? If you hear it, if the sheer amount of people saying such things becomes great enough as to limit your freedoms, discriminate against you, ridicule you, harm you, would you not speak out against such? Would you stick up for your religion and your right to believe how you want?

Now, homosexuals aren't sticking up for what they believe, it isn't a stance or a belief or a choice, they just are. They, and others whom support them, are just wanting to live alongside others and be treated equally, as the human beings they are.

No one is "forcing" you to be a homosexual. No one is "forcing" you to have a homosexual Imam or for your Mosques to perform same sex weddings. What is being required of you, and all others, is to treat people equally. Fairly, with no discrimination, hatred, or harm to others.

 

[Storm]

It feels like compulsion. Specialy in the West if you dont accept homosexuality you are seen as outcast, as cave person.

Gee, if being an outcast is unpleasant, why don't you just stop screeching about how perfectly nice people are evil?

Freedom of speech is not a guarantee that everything you say will be popular. In fact, it's a guarantee that you're allowed to say unpopular things. If you don't want to do that, then nobody's forcing you.

 

[Storm]

They have the freedom to believe that.
I believe in live and let live. I denounce homosexuality

That's not what live and let live means.

but i wont dictate how people should live their life.

Except for the part about denouncing it as evil. That IS what dictate means.

 

[asm Jenkins]

Excellent question, Joe.
You might not like pigs or dogs, or homosexuals, but you must accept that they are what they are, that God chose to make them so. If you don't accept them you disparage God's wisdom.

 

[Storm]

They wont succeed.

Then you haven't been forced, clearly.

 

[Storm]

All iam after is that homosexuals accept the reality.

We have. You're the one refusing.

We follow islam

And we exist. Cope.

But as muslims we are religiously commanded to respect the laws of non-muslim countries.

Nothing religious about it. You are legally required to obey the law wherever you are.

Fancy that...!

 

[dgirl1986]

We do not look to force people to accept us. We want people to leave us alone and stop ramming their religious based view of our sexuality down our throats and keep it to themselves. To force it on us is to cause not only phyiscal but psychological harm.

 

[asm Jenkins]

As this is a religious forum and religion is something I have been looking into for a while now I wish to point out that almost everything I have come across concerns peoples sexuality - who s gay who s not gay etc. My understanding of the bible is that it states quite clearly that homosexuality is an abomination. So why do we even have any kind of discussion about it? I agree that it is up to the individual, but what they decide is between themselves and God.

 

[Samantha Truman]

Jenkins, you're absolutely right. No one is going to stand before God and answer for the sins of others. We are responsible for our own actions.

It's better to be an outcast in the world than be an outcast before God. Do what you believe is right. You're not forced to socialize with people who you believe are not behaving in a proper Islamic, Christian, Jewish etc way. Be civil of course, but you don't have to be friends with them, and if in the end your friendless, just remember it's better to be on the side of God than the side of the world.

 

[YmirGF]

It's always so terribly amusing watching a good Muslims sharing the brilliant thinking found in Islam. Heartwarming, really.

<sarcasm>I say we throw all those degenerate gay people off the nearest cliff. (It's for their and society's own good.) </sarcasm>

 

[gsa]

As this is a religious forum and religion is something I have been looking into for a while now I wish to point out that almost everything I have come across concerns peoples sexuality - who s gay who s not gay etc. My understanding of the bible is that it states quite clearly that homosexuality is an abomination. So why do we even have any kind of discussion about it? I agree that it is up to the individual, but what they decide is between themselves and God.

You are making an awful lot of assumptions about your understanding of the Bible and the significance of the Bible to this debate particularly since many discussing the issue here are not Christians or Jews, not to mention your assumption that the bible says what you think it says or that anyone here believes it to be infallible.

Anyone who thinks the KJV is an accurate translation has already ceded the argument, since that translation has a liberal use of abomination that ignores the distinctions in the Hebrew original. I could go on, but why bother?

 

[Midnight Rain]

It feels like compulsion. Specialy in the West if you dont accept homosexuality you are seen as outcast, as cave person.

If you feel that they should be denied their fundamental human rights as a person for being homosexual then yes you would be an outcast in some circles. However I can deal with Islam being against homosexuality or bisexuality so long as it doesn't actually affect me as a non-muslim.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

They want to do the same with muslims. Gay Imams, mosque where gays visit. Its crazy.

If it's any consolation, I don't want to go in your mosque.

Accept that homosexuality is good.

How does this work? Do they charge you with a crime if you do not at least pretend to accept homosexuality? Are they requiring you to not discriminate against them?

To reject and condemn homosexuality is our right. Freedom of religion gives us this right.

It is your right. However, it is my right to education, employment, housing, access to services, and to be treated with dignity and respect.

I am sorry you are not being treated like special snowflakes.

We truly are the all-singing, all-dancing crap of the world, and all a part of the same miserable compost heap.

So why do we even have any kind of discussion about it? I agree that it is up to the individual, but what they decide is between themselves and God.

Because Christianity does not hold exclusive rights over the term religious.

 

[Valjean]

My understanding of the bible is that it states quite clearly that homosexuality is an abomination. So why do we even have any kind of discussion about it?

True, the old testament condemns homosexuality, but most Christians ignore those passages they don't like, or devise elaborate rationalisations.

I agree that it is up to the individual, but what they decide is between themselves and God.

Now here I get the impression that you see homosexuality as some kind of choice - "between themselves and God." The point we're trying to make here is that it is a choice, but the choice was God's. God chose to create that individual as a homosexual, just as He creates some with red hair and some left handed.
An individual's sexual preference is God's will. Who are we to dispute His wisdom?

 

[Storm]

As this is a religious forum and religion is something I have been looking into for a while now I wish to point out that almost everything I have come across concerns peoples sexuality - who s gay who s not gay etc. My understanding of the bible is that it states quite clearly that homosexuality is an abomination. So why do we even have any kind of discussion about it? I agree that it is up to the individual, but what they decide is between themselves and God.

Because it's not a bigots-only forum, but some bigot starts one of these threads every couple days

 

[psychoslice]

I think homosexuals are much better people than those who are full of hate, please don't come to my country of Australia with an attitude like that..

 

[LuisDantas]

As muslim i should have the freedom to denounce homosexuality and believe that it is something evil.
Iam not calling for the death of homos, lesbians and transgenders.

I guess it comes down to realizing that we human beings have a duty to accept each other.

It may be a surprise and even a shock to you, but homosexuality and transgenderism must indeed be accepted. The only alternative would be to choose to pointlessly hurt homosexuals and transgenders, after all.

 

[LuisDantas]

It feels like compulsion. Specialy in the West if you dont accept homosexuality you are seen as outcast, as cave person.

It can be maddening to realize how many concessions we all must make to each other. I sympathise with that.

Nevertheless, it is still true that we can't really have true consideration for other human beings without making concessions. It is ultimately to our own best interest to learn to be at peace with that.

 

[Storm]

It can be maddening to realize how many concessions we all must make to each other. I sympathise with that.

Nevertheless, it is still true that we can't really have true consideration for other human beings without making concessions. It is ultimately to our own best interest to learn to be at peace with that.

I can't muster up any sympathy for people crying 'woe is me' when they aren't hugely popular and applauded for demonizing minorities.

 

[LuisDantas]

I can't muster up any sympathy for people crying 'woe is me' when they aren't hugely popular and applauded for demonizing minorities.

See? I told you it can be maddening.