Why do homosexuals and transgenders force religious people to accept them?

[Koldo]

Why must I accept homosexuals? I need not accept homosexuals. I need not harm them, nor deny them any common rights. I have no desire to accept homosexuality nor do I have any desire to cause harm to them either.

By 'accept', I suppose you mean to consider their behavior to be morally acceptable, is that correct?
Let me explain something: Homophobia is like weed on a garden. If left alone it grows and takes over. And that's exactly what happened.
Leave it unchecked and we end up with a lot of people like you who are opposed to homosexuality just because that's what they were taught.

Homophobia breeds aggression, discrimination and shunning against homosexuals.

A persons sexual preference is NONE OF MY BUSINESS. So why to so many homosexuals insist on marching in "gay rights" demonstrations? Why do so many people who have some claim to fame or office publically announce their sexual preference? I do not care about a persons sexual preferance.

It's become popular to go out of ones way to show regard to gay people.

Are you certain about what you are saying? Are you sure it is none of your business if, for example, you found out your children or your brothers, or maybe even one employee of yours, are homosexual?
It is exactly BECAUSE people like you would make a big deal about it that you see others speaking publicly about their homosexuality. Just so people with the same sexual orientation as them won't feel alone in the world. Just so they won't accept to be unfairly treated just because of their homosexuality.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Why must I accept homosexuals? I need not accept homosexuals. I need not harm them, nor deny them any common rights. I have no desire to accept homosexuality nor do I have any desire to cause harm to them either.

Somehow, I don't believe you.

A persons sexual preference is NONE OF MY BUSINESS.

So you would never ask a man how his wife was doing?

So why to so many homosexuals insist on marching in "gay rights" demonstrations? Why do so many people who have some claim to fame or office publically announce their sexual preference? I do not care about a persons sexual preferance.

One big reason: it can be horribly oppressive for a gay person to have to deal with attitudes like the ones you're expressing all day every day, and letting people in those situations know that they aren't as alone as they think they are can bring a bit of light into an otherwise unhappy life.

It's become popular to go out of ones way to show regard to gay people.

Yes... because it's become popular to show regard to people in general, and gay people are people.

I can't understand why "hurting" gays or trans even enters the mind.
How stupid is that?

The distance from the kind of exclusion and shaming you seem to suggest to outright violence against LGBT people isn't that much.

 

[Draka]

We also accept that homosexuality and Islam is unmixable. So there cannot be homosexual muslims. You are either muslim or homosexual/lesbian.

I've always found this line of thought interesting and a bit amusing. So, the homosexuals that have been brought up to believe in Islam, they are automatically not Muslims right? Would you admit there are plenty of homosexuals in countries such as Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Turkey, Indonesia and so on? They are just most likely "in the closet" and living in Muslim families having to live a life constantly hiding who they really are? And because of this anti-homosexual belief then most likely many of the homosexuals in Muslim countries and families are living a very hard and depressing life...what with it drilled into them that there is something wrong and evil about them. They hide for their lives, are miserable, and most likely suicidal, all because of this anti-homosexual belief. This belief kills your brothers, sisters, cousins, friends and so on...all by shaming and persecuting who they really are.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

The distance from the kind of exclusion and shaming you seem to suggest to outright violence against LGBT people isn't that much.

Yes, and that's often the case with prejudice against minority groups. It's a slippery slope. That's why I'm intolerant of intolerance.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

And because of this anti-homosexual belief then most likely many of the homosexuals in Muslim countries and families are living a very hard and depressing life...what with it drilled into them that there is something wrong and evil about them. They hide for their lives, are miserable, and most likely suicidal, all because of this anti-homosexual belief. This belief kills your brothers, sisters, cousins, friends and so on...all by shaming and persecuting who they really are.

Yes, it must be an awful situation to be in.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

I think bis must truly be entirely exempt from it. I guess you have to like the other or like 'em both. This being based on the observation that bisexuality almost nearly never gets mentioned.
I guess that gives me a good reason to try it with a guy, it's for my immortal soul, after all.

What about you? You're hot

I know y'all are saying these things tongue-in-cheek, but I think this is actually a snapshot of what actually happens in these discussions with biphobic people.

I'm a unicorn, of some sorts. Invisible and fictional but a powerful fantasy in the minds of unicorn hunters.

I've seen it so many times that it's just another day in the life for me, but it's surprising for straight folks to discover that while I'm publicly denounced or completely ignored by biphobic people, these same people will often times privately message me for some hush hush hanky panky.

What we repress in ourselves in terms of our sexuality, when it's a consensual act or attraction, it often times will manifest in public scorning. The self-loathing is strong - SO strong - and many queers understand and smell it a mile away because many of us came from the same perspective. It's a projection of our own self-loathing.

I get the much of the same thing with private requests for male submission to a femdom, but that's another topic entirely.

 

[Smart_Guy]

I know y'all are saying these things tongue-in-cheek, but I think this is actually a snapshot of what actually happens in these discussions with biphobic people.

I'm a unicorn, of some sorts. Invisible and fictional but a powerful fantasy in the minds of unicorn hunters.

I've seen it so many times that it's just another day in the life for me, but it's surprising for straight folks to discover that while I'm publicly denounced or completely ignored by biphobic people, these same people will often times privately message me for some hush hush hanky panky.

What we repress in ourselves in terms of our sexuality, when it's a consensual act or attraction, it often times will manifest in public scorning. The self-loathing is strong - SO strong - and many queers understand and smell it a mile away because many of us came from the same perspective. It's a projection of our own self-loathing.

I get the much of the same thing with private requests for male submission to a femdom, but that's another topic entirely.

Look, maybe I do get a different feeling around non-straight people (forgive me for this expression, but I dunno what else to call it), but it is never any kinda phobia. As long as it is not another man trying to force himself on me for real, please believe me, I have no problem with non-straights. Yes, I am Muslim and Islam forbids non-straight sexual acts, but that's within Islam and Islamic cultures. I respect other cultures and don't apply my own on them.

I've come to know several non-straight people here on RF and I've become fond of them. I like you, Mystic

 

[Jainarayan]

Imagine if all humans were homosexuals/lesbians, would mankind exist now?

But they're not. It's pointless speculation.

 

[Draka]

Look, maybe I do get a different feeling around non-straight people (forgive me for this expression, but I dunno what else to call it), but it is never any kinda phobia. As long as it is not another man trying to force himself on me for real, please believe me, I have no problem with non-straights. Yes, I am Muslim and Islam forbids non-straight sexual acts, but that's within Islam and Islamic cultures. I respect other cultures and don't apply my own on them.

I've come to know several non-straight people here on RF and I've become fond of them. I like you, Mystic

Shouldn't you have just as much a problem with a woman forcing herself on you? It shouldn't be the orientation that matters, it should be lack of consent.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

As muslim i should have the freedom to denounce homosexuality and believe that it is something evil.
Iam not calling for the death of homos, lesbians and transgenders.

Why do you think you have the right and the moral superiority to force your religious views on the LGBT?

 

[Jainarayan]

My understanding of the bible is that it states quite clearly that homosexuality is an abomination. So why do we even have any kind of discussion about it? I agree that it is up to the individual, but what they decide is between themselves and God.

We have to remember that not everyone is Christian, Jewish or Muslim, and believes in the God of the Bible or Qur'an. Those scriptures are not binding on the rest of us.

 

[Smart_Guy]

Shouldn't you have just as much a problem with a woman forcing herself on you?

Come one now

 

[Draka]

In my opinion I tend to think that quite a bit of the anti-gay rhetoric actually comes from those who have orientation issues themselves. That is, they are either gay or bisexual, and due to their religious teaching, have hang-up regarding the same sex attraction and strike out. I would tend to think there are actually more bisexuals than most people realize. That it is a much more common thing than most think. This might explain why there are some who actually maintain that orientation is a choice. Perhaps they think they did choose. Perhaps those that believe such are actually bisexual and think they have made some "choice" to only be attracted to the opposite sex. They think they overcame something, some "evil" same sex attraction, or that they can deal with not having sex with the same sex although they are attracted to them, so others can overcome as well. Makes sense when you think about it.

 

[Jainarayan]

Sooooo...

Bisexuals. What about us?

Better chance for going home with someone?

 

[Draka]

Come one now

No, I'm serious. Men are raped, not just by other men either. A woman can rape a man. Forcing is forcing, no matter which gender it comes from it should be considered just as wrong.

 

[Nietzsche]

Come one now

I know you didn't mean this in an offensive way, but a friend of mine(he's straight) was raped by a woman some time ago.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I know you didn't mean this in an offensive way, but a friend of mine(he's straight) was raped by a woman some time ago.

One of my guy friends was raped by a woman who wanted until he was drunk to be able to "have" him.

 

[averageJOE]

Why must I accept homosexuals? I need not accept homosexuals. I need not harm them, nor deny them any common rights. I have no desire to accept homosexuality nor do I have any desire to cause harm to them either.
A persons sexual preference is NONE OF MY BUSINESS. So why to so many homosexuals insist on marching in "gay rights" demonstrations? Why do so many people who have some claim to fame or office publically announce their sexual preference? I do not care about a persons sexual preferance.
It's become popular to go out of ones way to show regard to gay people.
I can't understand why "hurting" gays or trans even enters the mind.
How stupid is that?

Remind yourself of the bold and underlined part you said. If someone asks you "do you support a ban on gay marriage?" You respond with "No, I don't support a ban because a persons sexual preference is none of my business."

If you truly feel that it's none of your business then what two adults do in their bed room should not matter to you. Thus, you shouldn't go out of your way to make it your business.

 

[Nietzsche]

We have to remember that not everyone is Christian, Jewish or Muslim, and believes in the God of the Bible or Qur'an. Those scriptures are not binding on the rest of us.

Thor was a crossdresser! Loki had a strange fascination with giving birth to animals! Wouldn't be surprised if others got into it as well.

The Vikings; where slaves had rights, women could own property & hold office, and did not care who you slept with so long as you found time to produce an heir somewhere.

 

[Jumi]

Strangely enough, Iran doesn't seem to have a problem with transsexuals because it's not forbidden in the Quran