FollowerOfTheLord
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Hypothesis IS a guess google it. Wiki it. Whatever it.
I do treat y'all with decency but I demand respect also. Don't force it on me I don't want it.
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Why do liberals and gay rights activists say that gay marriage is similar to interracial marriage?
- Thread starter Political Onlooker
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Hypothesis IS a guess google it. Wiki it. Whatever it.
I do treat y'all with decency but I demand respect also. Don't force it on me I don't want it.
FollowerOfTheLord
Member
Its always good to get a good belly laugh out .
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Shad
Veteran Member
Google it yourself, it is an explanation based on evidence. A guess lacks specific evidence a hypothesis is required to have.
First, you are spreading misinformation on the nature of homosexuality and bisexuality. Too much evidence points to the contrary that orientation is not a choice. I gave you my own personal journey of trying to deny my attractions and failing miserably, and finally living as the person that I am. And I am MUCH happier accepting my orientation as real and as natural as any straight person.
Second, you are on a thread arguing for positions that historically have actively sought to prevent same sex marriage being protected constitutionally and afforded the same rights and benefits and protections as hetero marriages.
Hence, it's a good guess that you would either vote for banning same sex marriage....or any other rights for LGBTQ's.....unless you say otherwise.
Force what on you? My bi cooties? LOL
Also, fwiw, public nudity is not necessarily equated with LGTBQ's.
We? Are you an owner of a bakery?
Oh, I don't have to be angry. If it's against the law to discriminate against people, the law will take care of it. And enlightened minds like everyone else can vote with their dollars and take their businesses elsewhere.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Why would I do that when I have read books about it?
And what is trying to be forced on you? No one is trying to make you be gay. Because of the speration of church and state, you can't even be told your church has to allow gays or conduct gay marriages. However, everyone should be entitled to the same rights.
Sand Dancer
Currently catless
When did you choose heterosexuality?
Sand Dancer
Currently catless
Gays can hide being gay in many situations, but why should they?
Apparently when she said she once thought she was bisexual but then decided being attracted to women was wrong. Poof! Magic! Hetero is simple, see?
It seems to me that homophobia from many right-wing Christians is just arbitrary cherry-picking to suit their own prejudices.
The Old Testament, written down by some guys thousands of years ago in a culture that is not too different from what ISIS looks like today (all that stuff about obliterating all your enemies around you and leaving none that breathe and taking their virgins, killing people with fire or stones that break your rules, and that sort of thing), mentions all sorts of things not to do, including:
-Don't work on the sabbath. If someone so much as gathers sticks on the sabbath, god wants the community to violently kill them with stones.
-Don't be a psychic medium.
-Don't be a man that has sex with another man.
-Don't eat animals in the water without fins or shells (so no clams, lobsters, etc).
-Don't practice magic.
-Don't eat blood. (no rare steaks?)
-Don't eat pork. (no bacon)
-Don't plant more than one kind of seed in a field.
-Don't cut the hair on the sides of the head/beard.
-Don't marry both a mother and a daughter when you are practicing your polygamist (aka traditional) marriage. In fact if someone does that, you gotta burn the entire group with fire. Basically, just make sure all your wives are not closely related and you'll be fine.
-Don't wear any clothes that mix two types of fabric (such as like half of all modern clothes do).
The character of Jesus in the New Testament didn't bother mentioning homosexuality directly, despite the amount of attention the topic from conservative Christian communities and organizations currently. Much of Jesus' focus was on criticizing rich people, hypocrites, self-righteous folk, and telling people to prepare for the world to end in their generation. He did claim that he has not come to abolish the law, but to fulfill it, that all laws are still in effect, and that anyone doesn't follow the laws and who tells others not to follow the laws will be called least in the kingdom of heaven. And yet he also tells people that it's not what they eat that makes them unclean but what they say (setting aside dietary laws?), tells people the sabbath was made for them not the other way around and it's okay to gather food and stuff. Did he tell people they could start mixing shirt fabrics? Did he say it's okay to plant multiple kinds of seeds in a field? Did he share his views on hairstyles? Why are so many Christians doing these things and then utterly freaking out about gay people?
Then this guy Paul, who wasn't even one of the apostles and had various disagreements with apostles, came along and said some things that Christians use in verses against gay marriage, including where he criticized female homosexuality, for example.
The whole thing is a mix of multiple authors from a far less educated era, and a thousand current interpretations on all of that. What to do? What not to do?
And what do people focus on today? Just the gay thing. Not the other things. Even though homosexuality is not any more prevalent in the Bible than most of that other stuff that they ignore. There are protests against gay marriage. Major lobbyist organizations doing major initiatives to keep lgbt rights as limited and unequal as possible. There have been countless threads against gay marriage and other gay rights on this forum.
But where are the Christian protests against stores selling clothes with mixed fabrics? Or people that refuse to sell mixed-fabric clothes to customers because it violates their religiuos beliefs? How many Christians even bother to check their tags to see what their clothes are made of? Where are the people telling barbers they shouldn't be legally allowed to cut the hair on the sides? Why is almost every Christian eating whatever she or he wants, including pork, blood, and shellfish? Why do so many people do all sorts of work on the sabbath when they don't economically need to? Are there large Christian organizations trying to pass laws to ban mediums? If they're not doing most or all of those things, why do they get all activist when it comes to gay marriage?
Homophobia is still a present thing. A lot of people use religion to justify theirs, even when they disregard everything else their religion says.
The Old Testament, written down by some guys thousands of years ago in a culture that is not too different from what ISIS looks like today (all that stuff about obliterating all your enemies around you and leaving none that breathe and taking their virgins, killing people with fire or stones that break your rules, and that sort of thing), mentions all sorts of things not to do, including:
-Don't work on the sabbath. If someone so much as gathers sticks on the sabbath, god wants the community to violently kill them with stones.
-Don't be a psychic medium.
-Don't be a man that has sex with another man.
-Don't eat animals in the water without fins or shells (so no clams, lobsters, etc).
-Don't practice magic.
-Don't eat blood. (no rare steaks?)
-Don't eat pork. (no bacon)
-Don't plant more than one kind of seed in a field.
-Don't cut the hair on the sides of the head/beard.
-Don't marry both a mother and a daughter when you are practicing your polygamist (aka traditional) marriage. In fact if someone does that, you gotta burn the entire group with fire. Basically, just make sure all your wives are not closely related and you'll be fine.
-Don't wear any clothes that mix two types of fabric (such as like half of all modern clothes do).
The character of Jesus in the New Testament didn't bother mentioning homosexuality directly, despite the amount of attention the topic from conservative Christian communities and organizations currently. Much of Jesus' focus was on criticizing rich people, hypocrites, self-righteous folk, and telling people to prepare for the world to end in their generation. He did claim that he has not come to abolish the law, but to fulfill it, that all laws are still in effect, and that anyone doesn't follow the laws and who tells others not to follow the laws will be called least in the kingdom of heaven. And yet he also tells people that it's not what they eat that makes them unclean but what they say (setting aside dietary laws?), tells people the sabbath was made for them not the other way around and it's okay to gather food and stuff. Did he tell people they could start mixing shirt fabrics? Did he say it's okay to plant multiple kinds of seeds in a field? Did he share his views on hairstyles? Why are so many Christians doing these things and then utterly freaking out about gay people?
Then this guy Paul, who wasn't even one of the apostles and had various disagreements with apostles, came along and said some things that Christians use in verses against gay marriage, including where he criticized female homosexuality, for example.
The whole thing is a mix of multiple authors from a far less educated era, and a thousand current interpretations on all of that. What to do? What not to do?
And what do people focus on today? Just the gay thing. Not the other things. Even though homosexuality is not any more prevalent in the Bible than most of that other stuff that they ignore. There are protests against gay marriage. Major lobbyist organizations doing major initiatives to keep lgbt rights as limited and unequal as possible. There have been countless threads against gay marriage and other gay rights on this forum.
But where are the Christian protests against stores selling clothes with mixed fabrics? Or people that refuse to sell mixed-fabric clothes to customers because it violates their religiuos beliefs? How many Christians even bother to check their tags to see what their clothes are made of? Where are the people telling barbers they shouldn't be legally allowed to cut the hair on the sides? Why is almost every Christian eating whatever she or he wants, including pork, blood, and shellfish? Why do so many people do all sorts of work on the sabbath when they don't economically need to? Are there large Christian organizations trying to pass laws to ban mediums? If they're not doing most or all of those things, why do they get all activist when it comes to gay marriage?
Homophobia is still a present thing. A lot of people use religion to justify theirs, even when they disregard everything else their religion says.
dgirl1986
Big Queer Chesticles!
The reason that we say it is similar is because...
1 - Both non whites and lgbt are minorities
2 - People are saying the same thing about "gay marriage" as they did about interracial marriage
3 - Both have been oppressed in the past
4 - Both were protested against and denounced by religious groups
1 - Both non whites and lgbt are minorities
2 - People are saying the same thing about "gay marriage" as they did about interracial marriage
3 - Both have been oppressed in the past
4 - Both were protested against and denounced by religious groups
Can I just point out that that statement is so reminiscent of white people justifying their "no colored" service policy it's both startling and disgusting? You may as well say, well don't be angry when we refuse to do the job WE CHOSE and treat you differently to everyone else because you're not a real human. But hey, separate but equal, right?
Denying a public service(in this case a cake made by and large for the public in general) in an industry within Retail or in relation to customer service to someone over anything less than public nuisance is not only woefully unprofessional it's straight up discrimination. You chose to be in customer service, you want a very specific customer base? Advertise as such. But don't get angry when people call you out for such deplorable and unprofessional behavior.
You want to pull the religion card as justification for your behavior? Fine, put your money where your mouth is and straight up ask EVERY single customer if they have not been previously divorced, not had sex before marriage and that the couple are both (Abrahamic) God fearing folks. Because if you don't but suddenly take umbrage with gay wedding cakes because it's "sinful" or "helping sin" (why is it helping sin? Baking a cake is not the same as going to their wedding specifically to give your blessing. You're not being asked to literally marry them), then that's nothing but hypocrisy. I thought Jesus didn't like hypocrites? Could be wrong, though.
If you pull the "it makes me uncomfortable" card, then I am nothing but disgusted by you. Like seriously, let me play a wittle violin just for you, meanwhile I have to deal with people making sexually explicit comments, being verbally abusive and racist towards me all while I just try to do my damned job. Woe unto you, you poor maligned little special snowflake.
(Yes, I had a bad day in retail which led to a mini rant. Sue me.)
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
It boggles my mind how people do not see the similarity. It used to be very acceptable to use the Bible to justify racist ways, just like it is today acceptable to use the Bible to justify homophobic ways. It gives me solace knowing the day is coming when people's skin will crawl over the idea of using the Bible to justify homophobia, just as today it is appalling to many people to use the Bible as a defense of racism.