Why do some people who hate Jews love Israel?

[Left Coast]

I typically see this among so-called Christians but this behavior applies to anyone of this behavior.

I haven't observed this myself. Most anti-semites I'm aware of also hate Israel.

Can you give an example?

There is a cohort of conservative Christians who are really enamored with Israel and defend it incessantly, especially with regard to Palestinians, because they see it as prophecy fulfillment, but those people aren't generally antisemitic in my experience.

 

[Revoltingest]

I don't recall ever running into the titular love/hate scenario.
Who does that?

 

[Epic Beard Man]

I haven't observed this myself. Most anti-semites I'm aware of also hate Israel.

Can you give an example?

There is a cohort of conservative Christians who are really enamored with Israel and defend it incessantly, especially with regard to Palestinians, because they see it as prophecy fulfillment, but those people aren't generally antisemitic in my experience.

"In reality, right-wing Christian supporters of Israel like CUFI pose a grave danger to the safety and well-being of both Jews and Palestinians, as well as to hopes for a true and lasting peace in the Holy Land. Anyone who actually listens to CUFI’s leader, the Rev. John Hagee, will be horrified at the meeting’s toxic blend of anti-Semitism, racism, homophobia, Islamophobia and sexism."

See more at:The anti-Semitic theology behind the Christian Zionist lobby

"Christian Zionism is a belief held by many Evangelicals, who number one quarter of the US Christian population, but adhere to a fundamentalist interpretation of the bible. Christian Zionists believe that Israel must gather all the Jews of the world, enlarge its territory, destroy Muslim holy places, and ethnically cleanse “the holy land” of all non-Jews. Many assume that this must be done to facilitate the return of Christ. Evangelicals of this kind support Israel, but not Judaism. In their worldview, Jews play a merely instrumental role. The implicit subtext is that Jews do not belong in American communities, because good Jews move to Israel. Their ideology is tinged with anti-Semitism, and it fits the picture that Trump himself has a pattern of using anti-Semitic memes."

See more at:https://www.dandc.eu/en/article/how-evangelicals-have-usurped-jewish-americans-support-israel

 

[Epic Beard Man]

From the second link another example (post #23):

"For example, John Hagee, a prominent Christian Zionist, has declared that the Nazi genocide was ordained by God to send Jews “back to Israel.” He has also said Jews have only themselves to blame for anti-Jewish sentiments. The reason, in his view, is that they did not accept Jesus as the Messiah, and thus “birthed the seed of anti-Semitism that would arise and bring destruction to them for centuries to come”.

 

[epronovost]

From the second link another example (post #23):

"For example, John Hagee, a prominent Christian Zionist, has declared that the Nazi genocide was ordained by God to send Jews “back to Israel.” He has also said Jews have only themselves to blame for anti-Jewish sentiments. The reason, in his view, is that they did not accept Jesus as the Messiah, and thus “birthed the seed of anti-Semitism that would arise and bring destruction to them for centuries to come”.

One of the fundamental tenets of Christian Zionism is also this idea that once all the Jews have return to Israel and the Temple of Solomon is rebuilt, Jesus will return and all the Jews will then embrace him and convert to Christianity as he is the messiah. That's not exactly very supportive of judaism.

 

[Left Coast]

"In reality, right-wing Christian supporters of Israel like CUFI pose a grave danger to the safety and well-being of both Jews and Palestinians, as well as to hopes for a true and lasting peace in the Holy Land. Anyone who actually listens to CUFI’s leader, the Rev. John Hagee, will be horrified at the meeting’s toxic blend of anti-Semitism, racism, homophobia, Islamophobia and sexism."

See more at:The anti-Semitic theology behind the Christian Zionist lobby

"Christian Zionism is a belief held by many Evangelicals, who number one quarter of the US Christian population, but adhere to a fundamentalist interpretation of the bible. Christian Zionists believe that Israel must gather all the Jews of the world, enlarge its territory, destroy Muslim holy places, and ethnically cleanse “the holy land” of all non-Jews. Many assume that this must be done to facilitate the return of Christ. Evangelicals of this kind support Israel, but not Judaism. In their worldview, Jews play a merely instrumental role. The implicit subtext is that Jews do not belong in American communities, because good Jews move to Israel. Their ideology is tinged with anti-Semitism, and it fits the picture that Trump himself has a pattern of using anti-Semitic memes."

See more at:How Evangelicals have usurped Jewish American’s support for Israel

I grew up in a pretty conservative dispensationalist Evangelical household and churches that very much fit the "supporting the nation of Israel is what God wants us to do" mold. And never once have I personally heard any of those people say that all present day Jews should move back to Israel. Maybe those people exist, but I suspect they're fringe.

Now, you can argue that believing that non-Christian Jews will go to Hell is antisemitic I suppose, although that bigotry is spread across their views of all non-Christians.

 

[firedragon]

Can you cite a story about non-Christians who behave like this?

Some Hindus love Israel because they hate Muslims. Sometimes in our minds we base love for something on the hatred we have for its "presumed" opposition. Maybe this is prevalent in many other areas of religion, race, colour, and even gender.

 

[firedragon]

Most anti-semites I'm aware of also hate Israel.

Most zionists are also anti-semites.

 

[oldbadger]

I typically see this among so-called Christians but this behavior applies to anyone of this behavior.

You can blame Apostle John for that, mostly.
He changed Jesus's enemy from a corrupted, greedy, quisling priesthood in to 'the Jews'.
Suddenly it was the Jews who were plotting, deceiving and planning for his downfall.

His untruths about all that, (with others,) helped just nicely to cause 2 millenia of antisemitism.

 

[ElishaElijah]

The Bible tells them to hate Jews but they see Israel as a signal that the end times are coming with the return of Christ.'

The Bible doesn’t say it’s ok for anyone to hate people, also as a Christian I love Israel and the Jews, we pray for the peace of Jerusalem and that God would make her the praise of the Earth. I’m not looking forward to the destruction of the Earth or for the Judgement of God although I can see it coming especially when I look at the Scriptures compared to what’s happening in our world today.
What I am praying for is that people would repent and get right with God, that the Church would be one with each other as Jesus Christ prayed in John 17. I’m looking forward to Jesus’ Return and the New Heaven and Earth where Righteousness dwells and no more suffering, tears, death or pain.

 

[Colt]

None of this makes any sense. What pro Israel Christians in America "hate Jews" ? It sounds like you are putting 2 groups together into One mind and then questioning it?

 

[Epic Beard Man]

One of the fundamental tenets of Christian Zionism is also this idea that once all the Jews have return to Israel and the Temple of Solomon is rebuilt, Jesus will return and all the Jews will then embrace him and convert to Christianity as he is the messiah. That's not exactly very supportive of judaism.

Right.....When it comes to Christian eschatology I am still quite confused as to how this fits in with revelation. I mean, for example, the antichrist shows up, convinces the world he is some sort of Messiah, then there are periods of Angels pouring out God's wrath. Humans being attacked by locusts who look human in the face, tail of a scorpion, and dressed for war? Aren't these what precede the coming of Christ? I presume this would precede the coming of Jesus so I suspect many people on the face of the earth would be suffering according to revelation.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

None of this makes any sense. What pro Israel Christians in America "hate Jews" ? It sounds like you are putting 2 groups together into One mind and then questioning it?

I literally showed you the evidence in posts #22 and #23

 

[Epic Beard Man]

Some Hindus love Israel because they hate Muslims. Sometimes in our minds we base love for something on the hatred we have for its "presumed" opposition. Maybe this is prevalent in many other areas of religion, race, colour, and even gender.

Damn very well said. A very peculiar enigma.

 

[Colt]

The age old infighting between Semitic cousins, the Jews and Muslims, has to do with the birth rite of Abrahams debated "first born" Ishmael and second child in marriage Isaac.

Americas problem with Neo-Islamic fundamentalism has to do with attacking our embassy's and office buildings. The enemy of our enemy claim is a creation of Leftist in America, some form of phycological projection.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

Maybe those people exist, but I suspect they're fringe.

Anecdotal experiences are fine, however, they're not universal. It reminds me of people who say "I grew up in a town and I've never experienced racism." Just because YOU never experienced it doesn't mean it doesn't exist elsewhere. I mean you can look at the KKK. They consider themselves Christian. They hate Jews, but love Jesus even though he is historically Jewish. However, they've manipulated his background and even his supposed appearance. There are plenty of far-right nationalist groups that perceive themselves to be Christian but hold anti-Semitic beliefs. Unfortunately, there are people in the world blind to the global issues other people face all because they in their own lives haven't experienced it.

 

[firedragon]

The age old infighting between Semitic cousins, the Jews and Muslims, has to do with the birth rite of Abrahams debated "first born" Ishmael and second child in marriage Isaac.

False.

They were living in peace for a thousand years or more. The infighting was between the Jews and the Christians. It changed in the 20th century.

So I think you should make a little bit of research.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

The age old infighting between Semitic cousins, the Jews and Muslims, has to do with the birth rite of Abrahams debated "first born" Ishmael and second child in marriage Isaac.

Americas problem with Neo-Islamic fundamentalism has to do with attacking our embassy's and office buildings. The enemy of our enemy claim is a creation of Leftist in America, some form of phycological projection.

What does this have to do with the OP?

 

[firedragon]

Anecdotal experiences are fine, however, they're not universal. It reminds me of people who say "I grew up in a town and I've never experienced racism." Just because YOU never experienced it doesn't mean it doesn't exist elsewhere. I mean you can look at the KKK. They consider themselves Christian. They hate Jews, but love Jesus even though he is historically Jewish. However, they've manipulated his background and even his supposed appearance. There are plenty of far-right nationalist groups that perceive themselves to be Christian but hold anti-Semitic beliefs. Unfortunately, there are people in the world blind to the global issues other people face all because they in their own lives haven't experienced it.

haha. So true.

 

[Colt]

I literally showed you the evidence in posts #22 and #23

You didn't show any evidence at all! You referenced an opinion piece by a Leftist activist Jewish professor. I've never ever encountered pro-Israel anti Jews! If anything Christians believe the Jews to be Gods Chosen people. They hope for a change of heart among Jews and eventual adoption of Jesus as their Messiah. There is an odd kinship and desire to protect Israel and Jews from her enemies.