Not many believe this,
The Red Letter Bible simply emphasises the importance of the words of Jesus Christ,
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Why do the Christians accuse Jesus of writing the NT Bible?
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paarsurrey
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paarsurrey said:
And it is really a bad thing when Yeshua did not write/dictate or narrate the contents of the four Gospels himself, why anybody attribute it to Yeshua, right?
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Isn't it a fanciful tall claim from one to say that, or one has something concrete from Yeshua in this connection in first person and an unambiguous manner, please, right???
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And it is really a bad thing when Yeshua did not write/dictate or narrate the contents of the four Gospels himself, why anybody attribute it to Yeshua, right?
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" Jesus deliberately left no writings "
Isn't it a fanciful tall claim from one to say that, or one has something concrete from Yeshua in this connection in first person and an unambiguous manner, please, right???
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Pogo
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Is that like conspiracy theories where absence of evidence is not evidence of absence? Right?
I believe there severe problems of contradictions and belief in ancient perspectives in both the Bible and the Quran. They both share and believe in the historical accurate Pentateuch and unresolvable conflicts with actual science, history and archaeology.
Likely not the dominant issue of Christian beliefs. The dominant belief of God/Jesus inspired the writings of the Bible, In the case of the Pentateuch the claim is God/Jesus inspired Moses to write it.
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Colt
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The "claim" comes from the Urantia Book revelation of 1955. But setting that aside the fact is Jesus left no writing! That being the case we could say it was deliberate regardless of the truth of the Urantia Book or not. Jesus is quoted often in the Gospels, yet there is NO claim that they had any of his writing nor any of his carpentry or possessions!
I would add that yes the claim in Islam if that Mohammod wrote the Quran, but we lack provenance dating and evidence confirming the authorship of the Quran.
paarsurrey
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Why do the Christians accuse Jesus of writing the NT Bible?
One may like to read my post #34 in another thread."NT had no approval of (Jesus)Yeshua- the truthful Israelite Messiah ( who was neither a Zealot, nor he belonged to the Zionism people nor to the Judaism people), please, right?
Is there a harm to the simple minded, none the less sincere, Christianity people if they know truly that Saul of Tarsus aka Paul ,as I understood, defrauded them, so they search and research afresh to become true followers of Yeshua, please, right?"
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Again the belief Jesus wrote the Bible is such a small minority of Christians that it is not a significant issue. It is commonly if not almost universal is that the NT was inspired by Jesus or God.
paarsurrey
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Why do the Christians accuse Jesus of writing the NT Bible?
One may like to read my post #502 in another thread:YxxxxTxx said:
Jesus was begotten. True. He is said to be the "only begotten."
Paarsurrey wrote:
" begotten "
"typically of a man, sometimes of a man and a woman) bring (a child) into existence by the process of reproduction."
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Isn't it an accusation of the Pauline NT Bible, an unreliable source, as I understand, on God, Mary and (Jesus)Yeshua- the truthful Israelite Messiah ( who was neither a Zealot, nor he belonged to the Zionism people nor to the Judaism people), please, right??
It is used for/to "sire", right, please?
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Why do the Christians accuse Jesus of writing the NT Bible?
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paarsurrey
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Lone time having seen one, one is a lovable person, right, please; as also our friend @Edd to rate one's post as "winner", please, right ?
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paarsurrey
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Why do the Christians accuse Jesus of writing the NT Bible?
One may like to read my post #887 in another thread/forum:Does The Bible Contain Errors And Contradictions
paarsurrey says:
Sure it does, please.
(Jesus) Yeshua made it very clear that he has been sent to the House of Israel even as per the Pauline deviant NT Bible, right, please?:
24 He answered, “ I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”
Yet the deviant Pauline NT Bible would like its innocent/ simple minded followers to believe that Yeshua ascended to heavens from Galilee ,without accomplishing this mission of going to the 10 lost tribes of Israel residing in other countries to the East, Afghanistan, Kashmir, Tibet etc, right, please?
Isn't it contradictory, misleading and accusing (Jesus) Yeshua, please, right?
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Why do the Christians accuse Jesus of writing the NT Bible?
paarsurrey
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Why do the Christians accuse Jesus of writing the NT Bible?
One may like to read my post #888 in another thread/forum:Does The Bible Contain Errors And Contradictions
Sure it does, please.
(Jesus) Yeshua made it very clear that he has been sent to the House of Israel even as per the Pauline deviant NT Bible, right, please?:
24 He answered, “ I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”
Yet the deviant Pauline NT Bible would like its innocent/ simple minded followers to believe that since there is no history (Greek/Roman) after Galilee , so Yeshua must have ascended to heavens from Galilee; just another folly (sorry for the strong word, no insult intended, please) of the Paulines and mistake/contradiction (accusation against Yeshua) of their deviant Pauline NT Bible, please, right?
Do all people who are missing from their homeland all have ascended to Heaven, please, right?
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Why do the Christians accuse Jesus of writing the NT Bible?
paarsurrey
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Why do the Christians accuse Jesus of writing the NT Bible?
One may like to read my post #50 in another thread/ forum, very much related here, I understand:
Accusations of Pauline Christianity people on Jesus
2. (Jesus)Yeshua- pegged the biggest of his signs, with "Sign of Jonah":and Jonah as per the Book of Jonah:
- entered the belly of the fish alive, (Right, please?)
- Jonah remained in the belly of the fish (for 3 days and three nights)* alive, never dying even for a moment during all these days. (Right, please?)
- Jonah came out of the belly of the fish alive (Right, please)
- Jonah came out from the belly of the fish as the same human being, not becoming a God or a Son of God (Right, please?)
- Jonah went to his (Israelite) people , and the Israelites accepted him as a Prophet/Messenger of G-d, not as God or Son of God.(Right, please).
Isn't it an accusation, as one understands, of the Paulines on (Jesus)Yeshua if not a "slur" on (Jesus), right, please??
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| 1And the Lord appointed a huge fish to swallow up Jonah, and Jonah was in the belly of the fish for three days and three nights. |
https://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/16184/jewish/Chapter-2.htm
**This makes NT Bible, an unreliable/doctored source, right?
Why do the Christians accuse Jesus of writing the NT Bible?
Dimi95
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The statement in the OP is equivalent to the sayings that Jesus was not a Jew.
@paarsurrey
Seriously , where do you find this information?
Everything you have today as evidence , every transliteration of the Bible is the effect of how the Church Fathers preserved the message.The original Gospels are taught as testimonies in History.Even if there is no single whole manuscript from that timeline.
We say that it is the Gospel of Jesus because the people who wrote it atributed it to his name.
In the same we know that the Gaelic War is by Ceasar because the writer atributed it to his name.
The author of book 8 of the Gallic War, believed to be Aulus Hirtius (one of Caesar's deputy commanders), wrote: 'I have compiled a continuation of the Commentaries of our Caesar's Wars in Gaul, not indeed to be compared to his writings, which either precede or follow them; and recently, I have completed what he left imperfect after the transactions in Alexandria.'
*In this introduction Hirtius makes it plain that the Gallic War commentaries were written by Caesar himself, adding 'Caesar possessed not only an uncommon flow of language and elegance of style, but also a thorough knowledge of the method of conveying his ideas.'
@paarsurrey
Seriously , where do you find this information?
Everything you have today as evidence , every transliteration of the Bible is the effect of how the Church Fathers preserved the message.The original Gospels are taught as testimonies in History.Even if there is no single whole manuscript from that timeline.
We say that it is the Gospel of Jesus because the people who wrote it atributed it to his name.
In the same we know that the Gaelic War is by Ceasar because the writer atributed it to his name.
The author of book 8 of the Gallic War, believed to be Aulus Hirtius (one of Caesar's deputy commanders), wrote: 'I have compiled a continuation of the Commentaries of our Caesar's Wars in Gaul, not indeed to be compared to his writings, which either precede or follow them; and recently, I have completed what he left imperfect after the transactions in Alexandria.'
*In this introduction Hirtius makes it plain that the Gallic War commentaries were written by Caesar himself, adding 'Caesar possessed not only an uncommon flow of language and elegance of style, but also a thorough knowledge of the method of conveying his ideas.'
paarsurrey
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(Jesus)Yeshua was an Israelite, not from the offspring of Juda, so he needed not to be a Jew or a Zionist, please, right?
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paarsurrey
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Why do the Christians accuse Jesus of writing the NT Bible?One may like to read my post #56 in another thread/forum:
"Accusations of Pauline Christianity people on Jesus"
1. First, Jesus never died on the Cross, even then , Pauline Christianity say that Jesus died, this is an accusation on the Israelite Messiah.
Then why does the Pauline-Christianity's Bible, never written by (Jesus)/Yeshua- the truthful Israelite Messiah (wrongly called a Christ) himself and or dictated by him and or written by a person expressly/unambiguously authorised by Yeshua; purports to kill him on the Cross, please, right??
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" Islamic position "
Here is the Islamic position:
30 Verses of the Holy Quran which prove the Natural Death of Jesus Christ (as)
Proof: This means that Jesus Christ(as) did not suffer an accursed death by dying on the cross.
Yes, (Jesus)Yeshua- the truthful Israelite Messiah did die as he was not "god" or "son of god" or "god in the flesh" as the Paulines wrongly project him, yet he did not die on the Cross, rather he died later, a natural death.
Jesus was crucified , to be more specific, he was put on the Cross/Pole
but not till death, please.
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Why do the Christians accuse Jesus of writing the NT Bible?
Tomef
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So your idea is that a bunch of professional Roman soldiers, who executed people on a regular basis, somehow didn’t notice that Jesus was still alive?
Roman soldiers can be bribed.
Tomef
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Could be. Not many knocking around these days, afaik. Is that the story? Doesn’t seem likely, if he had the following the bible claims, and if his mother and other close companions of his were there at the time. Seems they would have noticed him not being dead.