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Why do you believe the way you do?

Why do you believe what you do?

  • Total voters
    24
  • Poll closed .
doppelganger

doppelganger

Through the Looking Glass
Gentoo said:
I believe that it could be true, I like to give weight to the unknown.
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Then we are using "belief" in other than its usual sense. That's okay. Words can mean whatever you want them to mean. But my joke in #2 is predicated on the typical sense of the word belief.
 
ayani

ayani

member
Reverend Chris said:
Did your heart tell you this first and then you found writings for affirmation? Or vise versa?
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in a way, both. for me, writings are found, and it was sort of like my heart locked onto it. at the same time, i believe that if there was no personal longing and striving after something of that truth, i would not have been in a proper frame to consider what was written. something like the "knock and the door will be opened" allegory. what is more important, the knocking or the presence of the opener?
 
Willamena

Willamena

Just me
Premium Member
Truth is absolute, and properly stated as an absolute. It can't be effective otherwise.

I think the problem lies in people holding "absolute" to some godly value. Absolutes are all around us, everywhere, in everything that's true.
 
Gentoo

Gentoo

The Feisty Penguin
Willamena said:
Thing is that if you only "believe it to be true" that you agree with his reasoning, that says nothing about whether it is true. So... why should I believe it? ;)
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You shouldn't believe me, you should believe yourself, and your own reasoning :);)
 
PureX

PureX

Veteran Member
doppelgänger;940596 said:
That doesn't have anything to do with belief. If I believe it, it is true . . . until I stop believing it.
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Believing that it's true isn't what makes it true. What makes something true is that it IS true. The ratification is in the IS, not in the belief.
 
Nanda

Nanda

Polyanna
I believe the way I do because the evidence, as I see it, leads to this conclusion, and no one's been able to offer up a convincing enough arguement to change my mind.
 
PureX

PureX

Veteran Member
Willamena said:
Truth is absolute, and properly stated as an absolute. It can't be effective otherwise.

I think the problem lies in people holding "absolute" to some godly value. Absolutes are all around us, everywhere, in everything that's true.
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The problem is that we can't ratify an absolute. To say that; "the truth is what is", is an absolute statement. But we don't have any way of verifying that statement's truthfulness, because we don't have access to all that is. So for us, it becomes a kind of logical tautology. We hold to it because it's logical, but we can never be sure it's correct.
 
doppelganger

doppelganger

Through the Looking Glass
PureX said:
Believing that it's true isn't what makes it true.
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Sure it does. "Truth" is a subjective assessment. Believing an ontological proposition to be true is the only means by which it is true.

Don't confuse "truth" and probability. Science, properly employed, doesn't deal in truth. It deals in probability and uncertainty.

Uncertainty is the Godhead of science and wisdom.
 
PureX

PureX

Veteran Member
doppelgänger;940644 said:
Sure it does. "Truth" is a subjective assessment. Believing an ontological proposition to be true is the only means by which it is true.

Don't confuse "truth" and probability. Science, properly employed, doesn't deal in truth. It deals in probability and uncertainty.

Uncertainty is the Godhead of science and wisdom.
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Reasonable probability and faith are all we have. "Knowledge" is an illusion, in absolute terms. And if truth is defined as absolute (as it commonly is), then we cannot know it. So that which we in our minds call "truth" is only the illusion of truth created by our own ignorance and pretense.
 
doppelganger

doppelganger

Through the Looking Glass
PureX said:
Reasonable probability and faith are all we have. "Knowledge" is an illusion, in absolute terms. And if truth is defined as absolute (as it commonly is), then we cannot know it. So that which we in our minds call "truth" is only the illusion of truth created by our own ignorance and pretense.
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Is that supposed to be a rebuttal to what I wrote? I think you are agreeing with me. Do you feel otherwise?
 
PureX

PureX

Veteran Member
doppelgänger;940660 said:
Is that supposed to be a rebuttal to what I wrote? I think you are agreeing with me. Do you feel otherwise?
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I both agree and disagree. I agree in that the only truth we can experience is the idea of truth that we create in our own minds. I disagree, however, that this is the only truth that can exist. Our concept of truth is an intellectual responce to actual reality. Our concept may by conceptual, but the reality from which it is derived is real regardless. And so is it's truth.
 
doppelganger

doppelganger

Through the Looking Glass
PureX said:
Our concept may by conceptual, but the reality from which it is derived is real regardless. And so is it's truth.
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"Reality" is also subjective. Truth is contextual. It resides in the constructed world of relationships that constitute the things of my "reality." It's illusion within illusion.
 
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