Why do you dislike Islam?

[sayak83]

First of all veeja ganit means mathematics and not algebra, all the world have such word but I asked for
algebra and not mathematics.

Using the Arabic word algebra in all schools today is a proof that Muslims were leading the world in science
and yes we are using the English terms for many other words because the west were leading next.

No.
Ganit is Mathematics.
Veeja Ganit is algebra and it's the term for Algebra universally used in all Indian languages.
Bhāskara II - Wikipedia

Bhāskara and his works represent a significant contribution to mathematical and astronomical knowledge in the 12th century. He has been called the greatest mathematician of medieval India.[3] His main work Siddhānta Shiromani, (Sanskrit for "Crown of Treatises")[4] is divided into four parts called Lilāvatī, Bījagaṇita, Grahagaṇita and Golādhyāya,[5] which are also sometimes considered four independent works.[6] These four sections deal with arithmetic, algebra, mathematics of the planets, and spheres respectively.

• In Lilavati, solutions of quadratic, cubic and quartic indeterminate equationsare explained.[13]
• Solutions of indeterminate quadratic equations (of the type ax2 + b = y2).
• Integer solutions of linear and quadratic indeterminate equations (Kuṭṭaka). The rules he gives are (in effect) the same as those given by the RenaissanceEuropean mathematicians of the 17th century
• A cyclic Chakravala method for solving indeterminate equations of the form ax2 + bx + c = y. The solution to this equation was traditionally attributed to William Brouncker in 1657, though his method was more difficult than the chakravala method.
• The first general method for finding the solutions of the problem x2 − ny2 = 1 (so-called "Pell's equation") was given by Bhaskara II.[14]
• Solutions of Diophantine equations of the second order, such as 61x2 + 1 = y2. This very equation was posed as a problem in 1657 by the Frenchmathematician Pierre de Fermat, but its solution was unknown in Europe until the time of Euler in the 18th century.[13]

 

[FearGod]

That doesn't mean it was because of Islam though.

I don't expect that the Arab peninsula can do it prior to Islam, they were weak, divided and ignorant,
Islam was the major part for their progress.

 

[sayak83]

I don't expect that the Arab peninsula can do it prior to Islam, they were weak, divided and ignorant,
Islam was the major part for their progress.

AL Khwarzimi was a Persian, not Arab. Is there any reason to believe that the prosperous Sassanid empire would not be able to support Khwarzimi if Arabs never conquered it?

 

[FearGod]

No.
Ganit is Mathematics.
Veeja Ganit is algebra and it's the term for Algebra universally used in all Indian languages.
Bhāskara II - Wikipedia

Bhāskara and his works represent a significant contribution to mathematical and astronomical knowledge in the 12th century. He has been called the greatest mathematician of medieval India.[3] His main work Siddhānta Shiromani, (Sanskrit for "Crown of Treatises")[4] is divided into four parts called Lilāvatī, Bījagaṇita, Grahagaṇita and Golādhyāya,[5] which are also sometimes considered four independent works.[6] These four sections deal with arithmetic, algebra, mathematics of the planets, and spheres respectively.

• In Lilavati, solutions of quadratic, cubic and quartic indeterminate equationsare explained.[13]
• Solutions of indeterminate quadratic equations (of the type ax2 + b = y2).
• Integer solutions of linear and quadratic indeterminate equations (Kuṭṭaka). The rules he gives are (in effect) the same as those given by the RenaissanceEuropean mathematicians of the 17th century
• A cyclic Chakravala method for solving indeterminate equations of the form ax2 + bx + c = y. The solution to this equation was traditionally attributed to William Brouncker in 1657, though his method was more difficult than the chakravala method.
• The first general method for finding the solutions of the problem x2 − ny2 = 1 (so-called "Pell's equation") was given by Bhaskara II.[14]
• Solutions of Diophantine equations of the second order, such as 61x2 + 1 = y2. This very equation was posed as a problem in 1657 by the Frenchmathematician Pierre de Fermat, but its solution was unknown in Europe until the time of Euler in the 18th century.[13]

Still the word algebra used in all schools worldwide is a proof that the Muslim world was leading in science and not India, the truth hurt.

If it was Indian then the word veeja-ganit should be used worldwide instead of algebra.

 

[FearGod]

AL Khwarzimi was a Persian, not Arab. Is there any reason to believe that the prosperous Sassanid empire would not be able to support Khwarzimi if Arabs never conquered it?

Actually he went and studied in Baghdad as it was the center of scientific studies and many students were coming
to Baghdad to study even from India, I know that hurts you, but it's the truth, after his studies he became a scholar
in Baghdad and contributed a lot for science.

 

[Kuzcotopia]

Using the Arabic word algebra in all schools today is a proof that Muslims were leading the world in science
and yes we are using the English terms for many other words because the west were leading next.

This isn't proof of anything. It's like claiming that the word camera is of German origin, so clearly the Germans were leading the world in photography during the Middle Ages.

Fortunately, it is completely irrelevant. I could concede your claim completely, and this digression into the origins of a branch of rudimentary mathematics may have historical relevance to a culture's history, how does it relate to the problems today?

Most posting on this thread are concerned about Islam and it's practices having a negative influence on the perceptions of Muslims today. You need to realize that having such a discussion doesn't negate any positive cultural impacts you feel are present.

For example, I am a US citizen, and often very critical of my current government and its potential negative outcomes. I am also quite critical of the negative aspects of US history such as our slave trade, subjugation of native peoples, imperialism, etc.

But I am also capable of understanding the positive technological and cultural/scientific influences that the US still produces. I can still be concerned for my country, and argue for the best outcomes for all of its citizens now, in the hopes that positive change will help everyone. I can learn from our history, see the negative effects of policies and learn from them, and recognize that none of it is really black and white. But rooting for America doesn't mean turning a blind eye to the way American foreign policy and tech can also be destructive.

You can care deeply care for and love your country, your religion, and your culture without being afraid to discuss its problems. . . . After all, if you love something, work hard to honestly assess it, and do what you can to make it the best it can be, you and the beliefs you stand for will always be on the side of what's right.

So why not have a discussion that begins with what the problems are with Islam and how Muslims actually feel, and we can work on solutions to make it better?

 

[sayak83]

Actually he went and studied in Baghdad as it was the center of scientific studies and many students were coming
to Baghdad to study even from India, I know that hurts you, but it's the truth, after his studies he became a scholar
in Baghdad and contributed a lot for science.

You dodged the question. The prosperous Sassanid empire was quite advanced in maths and promoted scholars. Any reason you believe Persian scholar like AL Khwarzimi would not have been able to do his work under Sassanid?

 

[sayak83]

Still the word algebra used in all schools worldwide is a proof that the Muslim world was leading in science and not India, the truth hurt.

If it was Indian then the word veeja-ganit should be used worldwide instead of algebra.

Where English and other European languages are used... sure. Otherwise not. For example the word for the subject algebra is "daishu" in Chinese and that is the term used in Chinese universities.
You know quite well that the spread of European languages occured simply because they conquered other parts of the world. Indian never went around conquering and exploiting rest of the world's people unlike Europeans or Arabs. We, on the other hand see no reason to aggressively impose our culture, religions or languages on others. If you find this lack of imperialist ambition a flaw of India, then fine. We don't care.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

So did Indians...

Why was it not in the video? Why are the stars known by arabic names?

 

[Epic Beard Man]

I did. He did not know the source of the numerals and algebra comes from India, but its quite unbiased and correct otherwise.

I could easily say numbers came from Africans but I'll keep this between Arabs and Indians

 

[Epic Beard Man]

I have just had a look at them on internet, not study. I had a few talks on internet with the turkish expats over there and learnt that Jeddah the city where I stayed is the most liberal one and saudi mutawwa the religious police does not bother or disturb Turks too much as they are rarely breaking laws in KSA. , they already know that Turks do not pray salah and cannot fast in that heat but still it is wise to be careful. It was not the saudi nationals that disturbed me but the palestinians . While I was there my best muslim friends were Indian muslims who were observant muslims but totally secular,

Interesting...Next time if you go be careful.

 

[sayak83]

Why was it not in the video? Why are the stars known by arabic names?

Because he did not know. Your comment appeared to say he was being biased, which was not the case.

Stars:- Because they copied their star charts from the Arabs? Look, it's well established that Europeans got much of their initial knowledge from Islamic manuscripts. That does not mean at all that the Arabs were the first who did any of this. Particularly stars. Babylonians had spectacularly accurate star charts as well, as did Indians and Chinese. Europeans simply did not get a hold of them in the 15 th century.

 

[LuisDantas]

This isn't proof of anything. It's like claiming that the word camera is of German origin, so clearly the Germans were leading the world in photography during the Middle Ages.

Fortunately, it is completely irrelevant. I could concede your claim completely, and this digression into the origins of a branch of rudimentary mathematics may have historical relevance to a culture's history, how does it relate to the problems today?

Most posting on this thread are concerned about Islam and it's practices having a negative influence on the perceptions of Muslims today. You need to realize that having such a discussion doesn't negate any positive cultural impacts you feel are present.

For example, I am a US citizen, and often very critical of my current government and its potential negative outcomes. I am also quite critical of the negative aspects of US history such as our slave trade, subjugation of native peoples, imperialism, etc.

But I am also capable of understanding the positive technological and cultural/scientific influences that the US still produces. I can still be concerned for my country, and argue for the best outcomes for all of its citizens now, in the hopes that positive change will help everyone. I can learn from our history, see the negative effects of policies and learn from them, and recognize that none of it is really black and white. But rooting for America doesn't mean turning a blind eye to the way American foreign policy and tech can also be destructive.

You can care deeply care for and love your country, your religion, and your culture without being afraid to discuss its problems. . . . After all, if you love something, work hard to honestly assess it, and do what you can to make it the best it can be, you and the beliefs you stand for will always be on the side of what's right.

So why not have a discussion that begins with what the problems are with Islam and how Muslims actually feel, and we can work on solutions to make it better?

If I had to guess: because that is far too likely to look like associating with non-Muslims in ways that many (most?) Muslims consider "haram" (forbidden).

You will find something about that in these Qura'nic verses.

5:51

5:80-81

60:13

3:28

2:98-99

60:4

60:1

58:22

4:144

3:118

8:61

60:8-9

9:23

53:29

3:85

 

[FearGod]

Where English and other European languages are used... sure. Otherwise not. For example the word for the subject algebra is "daishu" in Chinese and that is the term used in Chinese universities.
You know quite well that the spread of European languages occured simply because they conquered other parts of the world. Indian never went around conquering and exploiting rest of the world's people unlike Europeans or Arabs. We, on the other hand see no reason to aggressively impose our culture, religions or languages on others. If you find this lack of imperialist ambition a flaw of India, then fine. We don't care.

You don't need to invade a country to let them use scientific terms, we use the word computer in our
language without the need for the west to invade us, we even use many other English words in daily basis
and I think the same goes in India and that's because the west were leading lately, so your reasoning
of invading doesn't make any sense.

 

[sayak83]

You don't need to invade a country to let them use scientific terms, we use the word computer in our
language without the need for the west to invade us, we even use many other English words in daily basis
and I think the same goes in India and that's because the west were leading lately, so your reasoning
of invading doesn't make any sense.

That's your case. In India, popularity of English certainly stems from 200 years of British occupation.

 

[FearGod]

You dodged the question. The prosperous Sassanid empire was quite advanced in maths and promoted scholars. Any reason you believe Persian scholar like AL Khwarzimi would not have been able to do his work under Sassanid?

How many scientists were known during the Sassanid empire and what are their names and their works?

 

[FearGod]

That's your case. In India, popularity of English certainly stems from 200 years of British occupation.

And do you use the word computer because of the British occupation?

 

[sayak83]

How many scientists were known during the Sassanid empire and what are their names and their works?

Sassanid empire is one of the least studied cultures, no doubt because of the indifference of Islamic Iran to its earlier Zoroastrian ancestry. The most famous University was Gondishapur and is somewhat well known, being the best university in the entire Middle Eastern and Eastern Mediterranean region in the early centuries CE, when Alexandria had declined.

Academy of Gundishapur

 

[sayak83]

And do you use the word computer because of the British occupation?

We use English because of British occupation. So, yes.

 

[Notanumber]

The Quran = Hate Speech.

But beneath the rosy assurances from Muslim apologists that Islam is about peace and tolerance lies a much darker reality that better explains the violence and deeply-rooted indifference. Quite simply, the Quran teaches supremacy, hatred and hostility.

Consider the elements that define hate speech:

• Drawing a distinction between one’s own identity group and those outside it

• Moral comparison based on this distinction

• Devaluation or dehumanization of other groups and the personal superiority of one's own

• The advocating of different standards of treatment based on identity group membership

• A call to violence against members of other groups

Sadly, and despite the best intentions of many decent people who are Muslim, the Quran qualifies as hate speech on each count.

The holiest book of Islam (61% of which is about non-Muslims) draws the sharpest of distinctions between Muslims (the best of people, 3:110) and non-believers (the worst of creatures, 98:6). Praise is lavished on the former while the latter is condemned with scorching generalization.

Far from teaching universal love, the Quran incessantly preaches the inferiority of non-Muslims, even comparing them to vile animals and gloating over Allah's hatred of them and his dark plans for their eternal torture. Muslims are told that they are destined to dominate non-believers, against whom harsh treatment is encouraged.

Is the Quran Hate Propaganda?