Why do you dislike Islam?

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Any hadith that contradicts the quran is false without any further discussions, the quran clearly states that
no one should be forced into Islam,

I'm guessing you're quoting 2:256?

There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing.

The verse implies that compulsion to accept Islam is unnecessary because it's so obviously true. And from the believers point of view, it undoubtedly is.

The Quran also gives an example of this benevolent command being contradicted or conveniently ignored:

8:38:- Say to those who have disbelieved [that] if they cease, what has previously occurred will be forgiven for them. But if they return [to hostility] - then the precedent of the former [rebellious] peoples has already taken place.

8:39:- And fight them until there is no fitnah and [until] the religion, all of it, is for Allah . And if they cease - then indeed, Allah is Seeing of what they do.

8:40:- But if they turn away - then know that Allah is your protector. Excellent is the protector, and Excellent is the helper.

When the Muslims invaded, converted the Kabba and forcibly Islamised Mecca. Though it's not recorded in the Quran, Muhammad's army would do the same at Ta'if soon after; Ta'if's forces would break a Muslim siege, then its elders would negotiate a surrender. Muhammad made conversion to Islam the term of that surrender.

So the Quran contradicts itself. Does this mean you consider the Quran is untrue?

also the hadith of Ikrima is unreliable and weak.

It's part of Sahih Bukhari. What does 'sahih' mean again? I'm calling it: you're using the No True Hadith fallacy.

 

[sayak83]

Do Indians universities use the Arabic name Algebra or they use another name for it?

If it's in English it's called Algebra, if in native language they use "veeja-ganit" which is the Sanskrit term.

 

[Kuzcotopia]

Apostasy never known at the era of prophet Mohammad, it started after the death of the prophet
when some Muslims decided to fight Islam by force and hence the war started against those
apostasies, it wasn't fighting the people who peacefully rejected Islam, but they started to organize
their worriers to fight Muslims, so it was a war with worriers and not civilians, don't blame Islam if some people can't understand history.

Again, your referencing a history that took place over a millennium ago. What do Muslim currently believe about the potential crime of apostasy.

What do Muslims today want?

What Muslims want for their legal and religious lives, based on the polling, has a great deal of moral problems. I still think with the right progressive cultural shifts in education and the embrace of secular laws, something can be done to redeem this.

What do you think? Do you want it talk about that, or reference ancient history again?

 

[FearGod]

I'm guessing you're quoting 2:256?

There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing.

The verse implies that compulsion to accept Islam is unnecessary because it's so obviously true. And from the believers point of view, it undoubtedly is.

The Quran also gives an example of this benevolent command being contradicted or conveniently ignored:

8:38:- Say to those who have disbelieved [that] if they cease, what has previously occurred will be forgiven for them. But if they return [to hostility] - then the precedent of the former [rebellious] peoples has already taken place.

8:39:- And fight them until there is no fitnah and [until] the religion, all of it, is for Allah . And if they cease - then indeed, Allah is Seeing of what they do.

8:40:- But if they turn away - then know that Allah is your protector. Excellent is the protector, and Excellent is the helper.

When the Muslims invaded, converted the Kabba and forcibly Islamised Mecca. Though it's not recorded in the Quran, Muhammad's army would do the same at Ta'if soon after; Ta'if's forces would break a Muslim siege, then its elders would negotiate a surrender. Muhammad made conversion to Islam the term of that surrender.

So the Quran contradicts itself. Does this mean you consider the Quran is untrue?




It's part of Sahih Bukhari. What does 'sahih' mean again? I'm calling it: you're using the No True Hadith fallacy.

Do not discuss Islam while you have no knowledge about it specially that you hate it.

The verse 8:38-39 isn't about forcing them into Islam but it's about waging wars against Islam,
so if they decided to fight then Muslims were ordered to stop them.

{ قُل لِلَّذِينَ كَفَرُوۤاْ إِن يَنتَهُواْ يُغَفَرْ لَهُمْ مَّا قَدْ سَلَفَ وَإِنْ يَعُودُواْ فَقَدْ مَضَتْ سُنَّتُ الأَوَّلِينَ }

Say to the disbelievers such as Abū Sufyān and his companions that if they desist from unbelief and from waging war against the Prophet s that which is past of their deeds will be forgiven them; but if they return to waging war against him the way of dealing with the ancients has already gone before! that is Our way in dealing with them by destroying them We will do the same with these ones.

Altafsir.com - The Tafsirs - التفاسير

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Do not discuss Islam while you have no knowledge about it specially that you hate it.

Seems like a typical fall-back position for you. If I dispute the trusted hadith they're conveniently untrustworthy; if I point out the Quran contradicts itself you claim I have no knowledge of Islam. And you've still not told me the definition of sahih.

The verse 8:38-39 isn't about forcing them into Islam but it's about waging wars against Islam,
so if they decided to fight then Muslims were ordered to stop them.

{ قُل لِلَّذِينَ كَفَرُوۤاْ إِن يَنتَهُواْ يُغَفَرْ لَهُمْ مَّا قَدْ سَلَفَ وَإِنْ يَعُودُواْ فَقَدْ مَضَتْ سُنَّتُ الأَوَّلِينَ }

Say to the disbelievers such as Abū Sufyān and his companions that if they desist from unbelief and from waging war against the Prophet s that which is past of their deeds will be forgiven them; but if they return to waging war against him the way of dealing with the ancients has already gone before! that is Our way in dealing with them by destroying them We will do the same with these ones.

Altafsir.com - The Tafsirs - التفاسير

Conquering Mecca and appropriating the Kabba had the effect of coercing the Meccans to abandon their gods and adopt Islam since they had just had their main site of worship taken over - not to mention both the presence of Muhammad's raider army and the fact he was now the most powerful man in Mecca woul have been potent 'push' factors - so this was the outcome regardless of whether Muhammad had set out to do this. It's also worth bearing in mind Muhammad spent years slandering the Meccans' beliefs and royally pissing them off. When that failed and they had had enough, Muhammad left of his own volition or was chased out, only to begin raiding their commerce and return at the head of a victorious, battle-hardened army.

And before you dismiss my link as anti-Islam or bigotry or whatever buzzword substitutes for actually addressing the point made, bear in mind it's citing Muslim sources.

Why do I dislike Islam? It's far less tolerant a belief system than that which preceded it - and it encourages a rampant sense of religious arrogance. It's not unique in this respect.

Try slandering Islam in an Islamic country today the same way Muhammad did with the Meccans 1400 years ago and you'll probably find yourself imprisoned for insulting religious sensibilities or blasphemy or some other victimless crime. Or you'll find yourself murdered at the hands of a mob. Heck, mock Muhammad just about anywhere in the world and you're taking your life in your hands because there are some Muslims who believe so strongly in Islamic exceptionalism they think other people should be subject to their rules.

 

[LuisDantas]

Do not discuss Islam while you have no knowledge about it specially that you hate it.

What you are saying is dangerously close to "commentary about Islaam only counts if it is favorable".

 

[FearGod]

What you are saying is dangerously close to "commentary about Islaam only counts if it is favorable".

Not that way, but his post was far from the truth, of course you're blindly with his side.

 

[LuisDantas]

Not that way, but his post was far from the truth, of course you're blindly with his side.

"Of course", why?

 

[Epic Beard Man]

Alegebra from India FYI. Arabs translated it.

Timeline of algebra - Wikipedia

Yeah Arabs perfected it...

 

[Epic Beard Man]

Yes, certainly. You dont agree?

You did not watch the video

 

[sayak83]

Yeah Arabs perfected it...

So did Indians...

 

[sayak83]

You did not watch the video

I did. He did not know the source of the numerals and algebra comes from India, but its quite unbiased and correct otherwise.

 

[Notanumber]

This is what an educated man thinks about Islam and Islamic apologists.

 

[England my lionheart]

Not true, you have to ask them yourself to know the real number.

Perhaps you could post the reliable hadith and go from there.

 

[FearGod]

So did Indians...

I repeat my question to you
Do Indians universities use the Arabic name Algebra or they use another name for it?

 

[Notanumber]

It is a good job that we have great men like this that have studied Islam on our behalf and can explain the dangers that it contains. Unfortunately, it seems that they are talking to the deaf ears of most western politicians.

 

[sayak83]

I repeat my question to you
Do Indians universities use the Arabic name Algebra or they use another name for it?

I already replied to this. Where English is the medium of instruction, the English term algebra is used. Where any of the Indian languages is the medium, the originalSanskrit term for Algebra, "veeja-ganit" is used.

 

[FearGod]

I already replied to this. Where English is the medium of instruction, the English term algebra is used. Where any of the Indian languages is the medium, the originalSanskrit term for Algebra, "veeja-ganit" is used.

First of all veeja ganit means mathematics and not algebra, all the world have such word but I asked for
algebra and not mathematics.

Using the Arabic word algebra in all schools today is a proof that Muslims were leading the world in science
and yes we are using the English terms for many other words because the west were leading next.

 

[LuisDantas]

Wow. That is grasping at some rather thin straws.

 

[England my lionheart]

First of all veeja ganit means mathematics and not algebra, all the world have such word but I asked for
algebra and not mathematics.

Using the Arabic word algebra in all schools today is a proof that Muslims were leading the world in science
and yes we are using the English terms for many other words because the west were leading next.

That doesn't mean it was because of Islam though.