Why do you dislike Islam?

[LuisDantas]

Saudi Arabia is a thing and Islam is another thing, if I judge religion according to people's behavior
then I'll choose to be a disbeliever.

Do you judge medicine independently of people's health?

 

[Epic Beard Man]

Unless you are an Islamist that takes his own laws with him to any previously free country.

But this has nothing to do about my response to him...

 

[FearGod]

Do you judge medicine independently of people's health?

How medicine is comparable to religion? it's how you use medicine, so if things go wrong
then the problem isn't with medicine but how you use it.

 

[FearGod]

kabaa and medinah and mecca are over there. How can you perform hajj without there? rotating a chair?

Good luck for you if you think that Islam means Kabaa and mecca.

 

[Notanumber]

A little early for assumptions but then again if you're living in the UK I'm not surprised about your disdain for Islam considering the terrorism going on over there. However don't be blinded by the actions of extremists.

It has just been confirmed by the BBC that it is Islam related. One perp has been arrested with more to follow.

 

[LuisDantas]

How medicine is comparable to religion?

In several ways, but the one that I think of as most natural is by realizing that they can be abused and that they should be evaluated by their results.

it's how you use medicine, so if things go wrong
then the problem isn't with medicine but how you use it.

Medicine is not supposed to be dogmatically assumed right and immutable.

In truth, neither is religion.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

It has just been confirmed by the BBC that it is Islam related. One perp has been arrested with more to follow.

Is it Islam related or terrorism related?

 

[England my lionheart]

Saudi Arabia is a thing and Islam is another thing, if I judge religion according to people's behavior
then I'll choose to be a disbeliever.

Its not just Saudi though is it, Saudi isn't unique in human rights issues and sharia hudood punishments in Islam,I would be very surprised if Muslims on the hajj stopped to tell the Saudis they have it wrong.

 

[Kuzcotopia]

Harsh punishment is to prevent crimes of happening, but still clemency should be applied whenever possible.
for example Umar bin Al khatab permitted stealing due to poverty and the need for food, he cancelled the law
of chopping the hands for a reason, so don't blame religion for it.

First, this is the 21st century issue, and your giving me a 7th century historical fable as an example.

One of the specific harsh punishments we've all been referring to here is apostacy. . . It's purely religious and flat out immoral by any standards of human decency. Period. I will blame religion for that any a host of other negative consequences as much as I want until you can demonstrate how religious law produces positive consequences that exceed secular laws.

Providing another tall tale from 1300 years ago about one of the heroes you learned about in school adds nothing of value to the realities we are facing today.

Edit: you may not have the cultural context to know what a "tall tale" is. . . It's an American idea for the most part. I couldn't think of any other idea that fit my point. Sorry!

Here's a link if you want to know what a tall tale is. . . Thanks!

Tall tale - Wikipedia

 

[FearGod]

In several ways, but the one that I think of as most natural is by realizing that they can be abused and that they should be evaluated by their results.


Medicine is not supposed to be dogmatically assumed right and immutable.

In truth, neither is religion.

Islam and its results was in the Golden age, read the history

 

[FearGod]

Its not just Saudi though is it, Saudi isn't unique in human rights issues and sharia hudood punishments in Islam,I would be very surprised if Muslims on the hajj stopped to tell the Saudis they have it wrong.

And you see the west are united with the Saudis, then why to blame the ones going to the Hajj
or to blame anyone in this world?

 

[FearGod]

First, this is the 21st century issue, and your giving me a 7th century historical fable as an example.

One of the specific harsh punishments we've all been referring to here is apostacy. . . It's purely religious and flat out immoral by any standards of human decency. Period. I will blame religion for that any a host of other negative consequences as much as I want until you can demonstrate how religious law produces positive consequences that exceed secular laws.

Providing another tall tale from 1300 years ago about one of the heroes you learned about in school adds nothing of value to the realities we are facing today.

Edit: you may not have the cultural context to know what a "tall tale" is. . . It's an American idea for the most part. I couldn't think of any other idea that fit my point. Sorry!

Here's a link if you want to know what a tall tale is. . . Thanks!

Tall tale - Wikipedia

Apostasy never known at the era of prophet Mohammad, it started after the death of the prophet
when some Muslims decided to fight Islam by force and hence the war started against those
apostasies, it wasn't fighting the people who peacefully rejected Islam, but they started to organize
their worriers to fight Muslims, so it was a war with worriers and not civilians, don't blame Islam if some people can't understand history.

 

[England my lionheart]

And you see the west are united with the Saudis, then why to blame the ones going to the Hajj
or to blame anyone in this world?

The Saudis have two faces,they support terrorism with one side and make alliance with the other,if theres such a thing as karma I'd like to see it visit them.

I never said I blame the people who go on the hajj,I said people on the hajj should stop and tell them they are doing it wrong,of course its not going to happen.

 

[LuisDantas]

Islam and its results was in the Golden age, read the history

Islaam is hardly extinct, yet there is hardly any remnant of the (hardly inarguable) positive influence for the sciences, religion and knowledge in general that it is supposed to have had centuries ago.

There are dozens of Muslim countries of various, often conflicting perspectives - and they are all remarkably lacking in social, scientific or cultural advancement, or even simple awareness.

Often enough they are at each other's throats, presumably "for the good of Allah's message". All the while demanding both special privilege of treatment and the ending of "imperialistic advances" upon them.

Therefore, I wonder what your point would be.

 

[Notanumber]

I am sure I read somewhere that Islam stole those good ideas from the peoples it conquered.

 

[England my lionheart]

Apostasy never known at the era of prophet Mohammad, it started after the death of the prophet
when some Muslims decided to fight Islam by force and hence the war started against those
apostasies, it wasn't fighting the people who peacefully rejected Islam, but they started to organize
their worriers to fight Muslims, so it was a war with worriers and not civilians, don't blame Islam if some people can't understand history.

What are we supposed to deduce from this,I'm guessing the "no true Scotsman" scenario,

Sahih Bukhari Volume 009, Book 084, Hadith Number 057.

 

[FearGod]

What are we supposed to deduce from this,I'm guessing the "no true Scotsman" scenario,

Sahih Bukhari Volume 009, Book 084, Hadith Number 057.

Any hadith that contradicts the quran is false without any further discussions, the quran clearly states that
no one should be forced into Islam, also the hadith of Ikrima is unreliable and weak.

 

[FearGod]

I am sure I read somewhere that Islam stole those good ideas from the peoples it conquered.

To you learning and searching for science is stealing, if that what you think, then obviously your hate for Islam is due to stupid reasons.

 

[England my lionheart]

Any hadith that contradicts the quran is false without any further discussions, the quran clearly states that
no one should be forced into Islam, also the hadith of Ikrima is unreliable and weak.

I really appreciate your answer,the problem I have is that's your interpretation and not the majority of 1.5 billion followers of Islam.

 

[FearGod]

Islaam is hardly extinct, yet there is hardly any remnant of the (hardly inarguable) positive influence for the sciences, religion and knowledge in general that it is supposed to have had centuries ago.

There are dozens of Muslim countries of various, often conflicting perspectives - and they are all remarkably lacking in social, scientific or cultural advancement, or even simple awareness.

Often enough they are at each other's throats, presumably "for the good of Allah's message". All the while demanding both special privilege of treatment and the ending of "imperialistic advances" upon them.

Therefore, I wonder what your point would be.

I'm wondering for your wondering.