Why do you looking to find faults in other peoples belief?

[dybmh]

You enjoy it if you come to RF and every day the same people telling you over and over again, your beliefs is evil, your faith is wrong.

For me, it's not about enjoyment. It's about dialogue. It's about understanding the negative comments and being aware of the opposition. It's about understanding the limits of my own rational and irrational beliefs.

 

[Spirit of Light]

For me, it's not about enjoyment. It's about dialogue. It's about understanding the negative comments and being aware of the opposition. It's about understanding the limits of my own rational and irrational beliefs.

To me,personally, I have no opposition in other people or their beliefs. I don't have to tell others they have "wrong beliefs" or " their beliefs are evil" due to a few verse in their scriptures i might have misunderstood anyway.

Persecution of others are a weak way to behave.

 

[dybmh]

i honestly love that you use time and energy, your own energy to "teach me" what I "should know" about my own belief.

Were you aware of the quote I posted today in your thread about "the densest veils of satanic fancy"? Don't you think something like that demands a reponse when someone implies that the Baha'i faith is all about kindness?

 

[Spirit of Light]

Were you aware of the quote I posted today in your thread about "the densest veils of satanic fancy"? Don't you think something like that demands a reponse when someone implies that the Baha'i faith is all about kindness?

I must have missed that reply from you. (No need to re-post it here)
I can only focus on my own under of Baha'i teaching and speak with other Baha'is about their understanding of the scriptures.

RF is normally a good place to be, until one post about ones own faith and belief. Then the fun in speaking to likeminded people are out the Window.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I only have a problem with those that try to impose their beliefs upon others. Then they no longer have the right to claim "but it is what I believe". It is a bit like sex. Do it publicly and you really can't complain when people stop you. Do it privately and then if someone tries to stop you they are at fault.

 

[Father Heathen]

It sounds like you've taken offense when none was intended (in most cases). Debates aren't hateful or mean (at least they shouldn't be). You shouldn't take it personally. Nobody here is out to get you.

 

[Spirit of Light]

I only have a problem with those that try to impose their beliefs upon others. Then they no longer have the right to claim "but it is what I believe". It is a bit like sex. Do it publicly and you really can't complain when people stop you. Do it privately and then if someone tries to stop you they are at fault.

So speaking about faith and belief in a religious forum may be a bit dumb then, since you get exposed to what believers believe?

 

[Revoltingest]

Why do you looking to find faults in other peoples belief and faith, when you would hate when others did that to you? Are you that insecure about yourself?

If you calling other people's faith for evil, are you any better yourself?

I needn't go looking for faults.
Religions have very obvious ones.
They come up for discussion & criticism,
in particular cuz some affect us adversely.

If a faith commands murder of innocent
people, & I call this "evil", I can still be
better by opposing murder.

 

[Spirit of Light]

I needn't go looking for faults.
Religions have very obvious ones.
They come up for discussion & criticism,
in particular cuz some affect us adversely.

If a faith commands murder of innocent
people, & I call this "evil", I can still be
better by opposing murder.

I am opposed to murder to.

 

[Revoltingest]

I am opposed to murder to.

Woohoo!
Detente.

 

[F1fan]

So speaking about faith and belief in a religious forum may be a bit dumb then, since you get exposed to what believers believe?

There is religious fellowship for those seeking reinforcement and support. This is a debate site, and theists should be prepared to have their beliefs criticized. No one is owed anything, except a fair chance for them to express themselves.

To answer your question in the title, we humans compete in various ways, including intellectually. We look to find faults in what people believe just as chess players look for faults in their opponent's strategy.

 

[Spirit of Light]

There is religious fellowship for those seeking reinforcement and support. This is a debate site, and theists should be prepared to have their beliefs criticized. No one is owed anything, except a fair chance for them to express themselves.

To answer your question in the title, we humans compete in various ways, including intellectually. We look to find faults in what people believe just as chess players look for faults in their opponent's strategy.

Why?

And no, one should find faults within ones own being, not in others.

 

[Subduction Zone]

So speaking about faith and belief in a religious forum may be a bit dumb then, since you get exposed to what believers believe?

No, then you have both agreed to discuss your beliefs. That is different. That is still "keeping it private". One problem in the US use to be school prayer where whatever denomination had the most members in an area would determine who got to say prayers over the loudspeakers at schools. It did not matter if it was predominantly Baptist and there were a good number of Catholics and Jews in the schools. It would be a Baptist prayer forced upon many that were not of the same faith. That was banned in 1962. Lately we have had Roe v Wade, a reversed by SC judges that lied in their Congressional hearings. That is a religion based decision. It is apt to have some very negative comeback in November. But again , that is others trying to inflict their religious beliefs upon others. Those are the times that one should react to religious beleifs.

Here one knows what one is getting into, well most of us. I have seen some theists, usually Christians, complaining about atheists being on a religious forums. By the way these are the same Christians that will at times try to claim that Christianity is not a religion. Oh the irony. But getting back on topic. Many of us would like to know and hopefully understand what others believe. Once again this is voluntary. It is as if we are all in a religion orgy. It is still private. We are not going outside of the forum and telling people what they have to believe.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Why?

And no, one should find faults within ones own being, not in others.

That would again depend. If one keeps one's beliefs to oneself they should be left alone. If they try to inflict them upon others then they are open to having their faults exposed.

If you try to make me rub blue jam into my naval on Thursdays we might have more than just a discussion.

 

[Exaltist Ethan]

I got a cheap audiobook from Audible, it's an audiobook of very major world religion. It covers the ancient pagan religions first, then delves deep into the most popular modern religions for: Christianity, Islam, and so on. I took a walk today and I decided to re-listen to the Christian chapter. 50% of the information it gave me I already knew, and 50% of the information it gave me was too specific to want me to remember it. Nonetheless, I listened to about 75% of it before I turned it off because it just appears to be junk theology to me. And one of the first things they say about this religion is that 29% of the world's population believes in it!

So yeah, as an Exaltist I could be a snotty, bratty ******* who thinks his own religion is far superior to theirs - but the God I breathe and live for each and every single God is working for us as we develop it. In many ways I see Christianity as a tool for God to be made manifest, as well as the sciences that help develop our wisdom and technology. My God doesn't care about this "personal" relationship you make with him, and people who are made to believe this are really only looking for themselves, and fast. God is more important than to be concerned with just one individual, even if that one person can change the world for the better. No person is entirely essential, which is great, because that means reality doesn't stop existing because one person had died.

We are all doing are part to create God, from being part of the Universe, to establishing our order and understanding from human extropy, to the air we breathe, the craps we take, the food we eat every day that is breaking down reality to it's most fundamental concepts in entropy. We made reality the way we wanted it to be, and it is up to us, and I mean all of us, to make it a better, more perfect world tomorrow. Anyone who doesn't have an optimistic, but real view, of our existence can just go **** themselves. Including Bill Maher.

So I disagree with both the petty theology of Christianity and Abrahamic religions, who don't understand the fundamental world changes that exist today, and the pessimism, nihilistic viewpoints of Bill Maher and other atheists. I never want to see a reality which the majority of people are going to Hell ... or which our climate change creates that Hell on Earth. And I don't believe humans will ever impact the environment enough to do that. Last time I checked the average temperature of Earth was still 68F, which is still below room temperature. I actually want more climate change caused by us because I want the average temperature on Earth to be a solid 70F and not a degree more or less. It's too cold in Wisconsin during winter! Even mid-September the temperature is now below 70F outside. I hate it. I like taking long walks and having a hot, sweaty back, basking in the sun light.

I don't agree with almost anyone. I don't believe there will be a heat death of the Universe, because our extropy will prevent it. I don't believe in Heaven or Hell because according to most Christians the one in the wrong denomination is going to Hell. I don't even believe in the Unitarians because I've developed a sense of trinitarianism with my pantheism, worshipping not just the verse (spacetime and being) but also the fundamental concepts of entropy and extropy. I really don't belong to any group. All I see are people trying to make a perfect existence. That's what I believe. Making perfection. What perfect is, is not only subjective, but it changes with every passing generation. Whether I call myself a Syntheist, an Exaltist, or a Perfectionist, I essentially believe that people are making reality in a way that suits them the most, and this is great, because slowly nature is anthromophorizing in the name of not just science, but in religion as well.

So I both agree and disagree with just about everybody. Is Christianity making the world a better place? Yeah, it is. Is atheism making the world a better place? Yes, it is. We need all the faiths and skepticism to come together to make people more mindful of their thoughts and debate rationally with each other. That to me is making the world a better place, and it all falls into my fundamental belief of perfectionism. I don't care what you believe in so long as you are trying to make your life, and everybody else's lives, also better. And capitalism and socialism are great economic philosophies to enact in such.

1 - Make your life perfect.
2 - Make other people's lives more perfect.
3 - Don't infringe on or try to stop other people trying to make their own life perfect.

That's all I care about, honestly.

 

[F1fan]

I must have missed that reply from you. (No need to re-post it here)
I can only focus on my own under of Baha'i teaching and speak with other Baha'is about their understanding of the scriptures.

RF is normally a good place to be, until one post about ones own faith and belief. Then the fun in speaking to likeminded people are out the Window.

Oddly atheists don't seem to have problems explaining their lack of beliefs, and why they lack beliefs. Yet atheists are heavily criticized on this forum and in society as a whole.

 

[Spirit of Light]

No, then you have both agreed to discuss your beliefs. That is different. That is still "keeping it private". One problem in the US use to be school prayer where whatever denomination had the most members in an area would determine who got to say prayers over the loudspeakers at schools. It did not matter if it was predominantly Baptist and there were a good number of Catholics and Jews in the schools. It would be a Baptist prayer forced upon many that were not of the same faith. That was banned in 1962. Lately we have had Roe v Wade, a reversed by SC judges that lied in their Congressional hearings. That is a religion based decision. It is apt to have some very negative comeback in November. But again , that is others trying to inflict their religious beliefs upon others. Those are the times that one should react to religious beleifs.

Here one knows what one is getting into, well most of us. I have seen some theists, usually Christians, complaining about atheists being on a religious forums. By the way these are the same Christians that will at times try to claim that Christianity is not a religion. Oh the irony. But getting back on topic. Many of us would like to know and hopefully understand what others believe. Once again this is voluntary. It is as if we are all in a religion orgy. It is still private. We are not going outside of the forum and telling people what they have to believe.

You will notice that theists do give answer to mostly all question asked, but the answer do not satisfying the one who asked the question, because they of course disagree with the answer. So they push to get the theists to say contradictory replies, then the theists are accused of not knowing their own belief.

 

[Spirit of Light]

That would again depend. If one keeps one's beliefs to oneself they should be left alone. If they try to inflict them upon others then they are open to having their faults exposed.

If you try to make me rub blue jam into my naval on Thursdays we might have more than just a discussion.

A religious person comes to a religious forum to discuss with other religious people.....

 

[F1fan]

Why?

And no, one should find faults within ones own being, not in others.

So a champion chess payer should not try to beat a player who takes chess seriously but just isn't as good?

 

[Spirit of Light]

Oddly atheists don't seem to have problems explaining their lack of beliefs, and why they lack beliefs. Yet atheists are heavily criticized on this forum and in society as a whole.

By atheists mostly (msybe not a surprise) asking question isn't the problem of course, thats why we are here.

It is the search to find faults in others that is wrong