Why do you looking to find faults in other peoples belief?

[Spirit of Light]

So a champion chess payer should not try to beat a player who takes chess seriously but just isn't as good?

A chessplayer playing a game, a religious person only have to beat their own ego, not others.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You will notice that theists do give answer to mostly all question asked, but the answer do not satisfying the one who asked the question, because they of course disagree with the answer. So they push to get the theists to say contradictory replies, then the theists are accused of not knowing their own belief.

Do you have examples? I know that with one poster here that I would keep saying that certain things were in the Bible and he as a Christian would deny it. When I would find the verses he never would admit that he was wrong. Though he did eventually learn not to challenge me on what is in the Bible. At least for the most part. I used to be a Christian and I did study the Bible. So often I do know it better than the Christians that merely took Sunday school lessons and thought that was enough. Many in religions are in those religions not because they freely chose them , but because they were indoctrinated from birth and are held hostage by that history.

 

[Subduction Zone]

By atheists mostly (msybe not a surprise) asking question isn't the problem of course, thats why we are here.

It is the search to find faults in others that is wrong

I would say that it depends. There are definitely Christians here that I like and think of as friends. I do not challenge their beliefs. I have no reason to. They to not try to impose those on others. They are not the Christians that I will find fault with.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Do you have examples? I know that with one poster here that I would keep saying that certain things were in the Bible and he as a Christian would deny it. When I would find the verses he never would admit that he was wrong. Though he did eventually learn not to challenge me on what is in the Bible. At least for the most part. I used to be a Christian and I did study the Bible. So often I do know it better than the Christians that merely took Sunday school lessons and thought that was enough. Many in religions are in those religions not because they freely chose them , but because they were indoctrinated from birth and are held hostage by that history.

This OP isn't not about discussion of what theists know or don't know, it is only about why some people looking for faults in other peoples belief and faith.
Let us stick to that, so those who every day critique religious people can give answer to that

 

[Spirit of Light]

I would say that it depends. There are definitely Christians here that I like and think of as friends. I do not challenge their beliefs. I have no reason to. They to not try to impose those on others. They are not the Christians that I will find fault with.

But why the need to fault others?

 

[F1fan]

A chessplayer playing a game, a religious person only have to beat their own ego, not others.

Then why is the theist on a debate forum? Debate is adversarial.

Theists join of their own free will, and they have God on their side, yet can't prevail.

 

[We Never Know]

So a champion chess payer should not try to beat a player who takes chess seriously but just isn't as good?

In your analogy,
Who is the champion referring to?
What is chess referring to?
Who is the not so good person referring to?

It could be looked at two ways.

1.
The champion -an athiest
The chess -science
The not so good -a christian

2.
The champion -a christian
The chess -religion
The not so good -an atheist

 

[Spirit of Light]

Then why is the theist on a debate forum? Debate is adversarial.

Theists join of their own free will, and they have God on their side, yet can't prevail.

To discuss with other theists mostly i would think. To share understanding from each others belief

 

[We Never Know]

Then why is the theist on a debate forum? Debate is adversarial.

Theists join of their own free will, and they have God on their side, yet can't prevail.

Its not a debate forum, its a religious forum. Furthermore its not even a debate thread.

 

[F1fan]

This OP isn't not about discussion of what theists know or don't know, it is only about why some people looking for faults in other peoples belief and faith.

The faults are there to be found, and the faults are revealed.

Theists seem to know they have more to learn.

Let us stick to that, so those who every day critique religious people can give answer to that

They give answers that are not satisfactory to reason.

 

[F1fan]

To discuss with other theists mostly i would think. To share understanding from each others belief

There are fellowship sites for that.

 

[Subduction Zone]

But why the need to fault others?

I would not call it "finding fault" I would say correcting. And that is because they wish to impose their beliefs upon others. If they did not do that I would have no problem with them.

I am not going to try to force you to become and atheist. You are not going to try to force me to become a Bahai'. How would you react towards one that tried to force a change in your beliefs?

 

[Spirit of Light]

I would not call it "finding fault" I would say correcting. And that is because they wish to impose their beliefs upon others. If they did not do that I would have no problem with them.

I am not going to try to force you to become and atheist. You are not going to try to force me to become a Bahai'. How would you react towards one that tried to force a change in your beliefs?

I personally would just say, no thank you, I already have my belief.

How can you correct someone who believe different than your self?

 

[Jimmy]

But why the need to fault others?

If I could give you some advice. Some people thrive on negativity. Some actually have mental problems, unfortunately. You'll never change them. You're only harming yourself. I've seen you ask these questions for like 3 years. I mean do what you want, I'm just sayin'. You seem like a smarter guy than that to get involved in such trivial nonsense.

 

[sayak83]

Who say believers ignore them?
Would you love me to pick appart your personal belief? Would you love to hear every day that your beliefs are full of hate and it being evil because I could look up the 1% of scriptures that I could believe spoke about hate and evil deeds?

Actually I would love to. I have been trying to get people to criticize aspects of Hinduism and Buddhism so that a good debate can be had. As a student, i used to regularly participate in lively debates and discussions on many issues on many topics including religion and philosophy. It's a real pleasure to be have formidable opposing views that criticize my own. Much of my current thinking has been shaped and influenced by being part of such debate and discussion groups.

 

[Spirit of Light]

If I could give you some advice. Some people thrive on negativity. Some actually have mental problems, unfortunately. You'll never change them. You're only harming yourself. I've seen you ask these questions for like 3 years. I mean do what you want, I'm just sayin'. You seem like a smarter guy than that to get involved in such trivial nonsense.

My wish is for them to end the persecution of religious people no matter what religion one belong to.
And yes, it has been a long road to walk, but finally i am 100% calm from within my being during this form of discussion.

I do get a lot more clear answers this time, so maybe this will be the last of this form of questions from me.
I don't mind non-believers or agnostic people at all, they are as free as I am to hold and speak about their "belief"
When they say "we do it to teach the believers", that I find a bit humoristic actually

Hopefully it will be a time in RF that in discussion each person can accept the answers that is given, even one do not hold the same belief.
But time will tell.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Actually I would love to. I have been trying to get people to criticize aspects of Hinduism and Buddhism so that a good debate can be had. As a student, i used to regularly participate in lively debates and discussions on many issues on many topics including religion and philosophy. It's a real pleasure to be have formidable opposing views that criticize my own. Much of my current thinking has been shaped and influenced by being part of such debate and discussion groups.

I have to disapoint you then...it will not be me who tries to pick apart your beliefs in Hinduism

 

[Jimmy]

My wish is for them to end the persecution of religious people no matter what religion one belong to.
And yes, it has been a long road to walk, but finally i am 100% calm from within my being during this form of discussion.

I do get a lot more clear answers this time, so maybe this will be the last of this form of questions from me.
I don't mind non-believers or agnostic people at all, they are as free as I am to hold and speak about their "belief"
When they say "we do it to teach the believers", that I find a bit humoristic actually

Hopefully it will be a time in RF that in discussion each person can accept the answers that is given, even one do not hold the same belief.
But time will tell.

My wish is for them to end the persecution of religious people no matter what religion one belong to.
And yes, it has been a long road to walk, but finally i am 100% calm from within my being during this form of discussion.

I do get a lot more clear answers this time, so maybe this will be the last of this form of questions from me.
I don't mind non-believers or agnostic people at all, they are as free as I am to hold and speak about their "belief"
When they say "we do it to teach the believers", that I find a bit humoristic actually

Hopefully it will be a time in RF that in discussion each person can accept the answers that is given, even one do not hold the same belief.
But time will tell.

It's good to have noble intentions but it's also good to recognize bad habits.

 

[sayak83]

I have to disapoint you then...it will not be me who tries to pick apart your beliefs in Hinduism

My experience is that one can never have a robust worldview or a robust skill unless one constantly exposed oneself to external criticism. You want to be a painter, yes? Unless you go out and receive criticisms (and praise) from customers or art enthusiasts for the weakness (and strengths) of your painting skill how can you improve? I have seen many people who are unable to handle criticisms of their beliefs, their work or their faith. That tells me that there exists a fragile ego within them that responds emotionally to negative comments and acts to shield itself from things that paint a negative picture of itself. Of course, everyone has this to a greater or lesser extent, including me. Just as criticizing others just to show superiority is an example of ego, unable to handle criticisms from others is the example of the ego.

Anyways that is my sense of it.

 

[Spirit of Light]

It's good to have noble intentions but it's also good to recognize bad habits.

I recognize my own bad habits every day, working on become better thsn yesterday