Why do you think it's wrong for someone else to be gay?

[SkepticThinker]

Being Gay is not a choice, you cannot choose what you’re attracted to.

I do feel that something Biological has affected them and caused this as Males and Females by their very design are created to go together.

If someone has psychological issues or mental disorders we attempt to at least treat it,
Unfortunately society has deemed it normal as feelings trump facts.

Homosexuality is not a "psychological issue" any more than heterosexuality is. Neither need to be "treated."

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

If someone has psychological issues or mental disorders we attempt to at least treat it, Unfortunately society has deemed it normal as feelings trump facts.

It's unfortunate that homosexuality is viewed as abnormal or a mental disorder by anybody. Beliefs such as that are feeling trumping fact.

Males and Females by their very design are created to go together.

You must be talking about reproduction. Apparently, people are also "designed" to enjoy same-sex sex, since so many seem to be able to derive pleasure doing so. The beasts are also drawn to it, which undermines arguments of homosexuality being unnatural or abnormal.

Likewise with masturbation, which I presume you have all of the same objections to - a mental disorder, abnormal, and not what man was designed to do. Many of the faithful believe that, which also causes those who indulge anyway great guilt and self-loathing. And some of the beasts indulge there as well. Fortunately for them, they haven't been taught to hate themselves for it.

 

[Maninthemiddle]

It's unfortunate that homosexuality is viewed as abnormal or a mental disorder by anybody. Beliefs such as that are feeling trumping fact.

You must be talking about reproduction. Apparently, people are also "designed" to enjoy same-sex sex, since so many seem to be able to derive pleasure doing so. The beasts are also drawn to it, which undermines arguments of homosexuality being unnatural or abnormal.

Likewise with masturbation, which I presume you have all of the same objections to - a mental disorder, abnormal, and not what man was designed to do. Many of the faithful believe that, which also causes those who indulge anyway great guilt and self-loathing. And some of the beasts indulge there as well. Fortunately for them, they haven't been taught to hate themselves for it.

You justify Homosexuality by saying Animals do it, I personally don’t live my life according to what Animals do.

 

[Maninthemiddle]

Homosexuality is not a "psychological issue" any more than heterosexuality is. Neither need to be "treated."

If a Man and a Woman are by their very design created to be together, if they feel otherwise there is a flaw in them.
I’m not saying it’s a sin, I’m simply pointing out the obvious that needs to be acknowledged.

 

[ChristineM]

You justify Homosexuality by saying Animals do it, I personally don’t live my life according to what Animals do.

You do, you live as a human animal.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

You justify Homosexuality by saying Animals do it

Read my post again. You addressed none of it. There was no recommendation there that you or anybody else should tolerate or participate in homosexuality because many of the beasts do.

I personally don’t live my life according to what Animals do.

And I don't live mine by what ancient holy books advise. The god of Abraham is a bigot as depicted - homophobic, atheophobic, and misogynistic, condones rape and slavery, and considers human wisdom foolishness and scripture wisdom. We can do better than that, but not if we let sources like that one inform us.

And has been mentioned, we are all animals, and have most of the same drives. They don't all serve us in civilized life like they did when our ancestors lived in trees. Now, we need to develop rules about killing in anger and taking what isn't ours, for example, to preserve social cohesion and peace.

Humanism takes that further, and fosters human development and maximal social and economic opportunity for the greatest number to pursue happiness as they understand it within the confines of those societal rules. The bigotries of the Abrahamic religions are counterproductive to that end, and thus immoral. They make many lives worse.

Like I said, we can do better than that, but we need to shake the toxic influence of such religions, or, at a minimum, keep them out of the lives of unbelievers, who don't care what the faithful think their gods want.

 

[F1fan]

If a Man and a Woman are by their very design created to be together, if they feel otherwise there is a flaw in them.

Yet aren’t other animals designed too, but many exhibit homosexual tendencies. So why doesn’t your view apply to humans? Is it unfair that a God that allows slavery also create some humans gay just to make life harder for them too? Even the ideal Christian can get cancer and die, all as God designed. The question is who wins the lottery? As a 60 year old atheist I have zero health problems. No medication needed. I’m quite rare.

I’m not saying it’s a sin, I’m simply pointing out the obvious that needs to be acknowledged.

You are neglecting a great deal that is obvious as is being pointed out to you.

 

[Sargonski]

If a Man and a Woman are by their very design created to be together, if they feel otherwise there is a flaw in them.
I’m not saying it’s a sin, I’m simply pointing out the obvious that needs to be acknowledged.

Obviously men and women have the ability to procreate -- Whether or not this means they are created to be "Together" .. a separate question ... as is the type of that "Together" relationship .. harams coming to mind but, perhaps the man is supposed to do his business and leave .. not be together .. a male just getting in the way of child rearing .. and even if reverse is true .. doesn't mean the biological male is the best male to be co-parenting the child.

and all of a sudden .. things not so obvious anymore what the Old man had in mind .. and Got us one of those "Speaking for God" problems as well - no telling what God designed after the seed planted - there are many possibilities I reckon you failed to consider .. even though God might have .. Let us not put words in the mouth of the Supreme one .. fear of committing that bad old sin -- of the unforgivable kind.

 

[SkepticThinker]

If a Man and a Woman are by their very design created to be together,

When did anyone show that humans are "designed created" at all?

if they feel otherwise there is a flaw in them

Nonsense.

I’m not saying it’s a sin, I’m simply pointing out the obvious that needs to be acknowledged.

No, you're saying it's a flaw, which is just as gross and inaccurate.

This was all in response to, "Homosexuality is not a "psychological issue" any more than heterosexuality is. Neither need to be "treated."

Notice how you didn't actually address what I said and instead, moved the goal posts.

 

[Maninthemiddle]

When did anyone show that humans are "designed created" at all?

Nonsense.

No, you're saying it's a flaw, which is just as gross and inaccurate.

This was all in response to, "Homosexuality is not a "psychological issue" any more than heterosexuality is. Neither need to be "treated."

Notice how you didn't actually address what I said and instead, moved the goal posts.

Natures design, Man are physically designed to be with a woman.

 

[Maninthemiddle]

Obviously men and women have the ability to procreate -- Whether or not this means they are created to be "Together" .. a separate question ... as is the type of that "Together" relationship .. harams coming to mind but, perhaps the man is supposed to do his business and leave .. not be together .. a male just getting in the way of child rearing .. and even if reverse is true .. doesn't mean the biological male is the best male to be co-parenting the child.

and all of a sudden .. things not so obvious anymore what the Old man had in mind .. and Got us one of those "Speaking for God" problems as well - no telling what God designed after the seed planted - there are many possibilities I reckon you failed to consider .. even though God might have .. Let us not put words in the mouth of the Supreme one .. fear of committing that bad old sin -- of the unforgivable kind.

Our physical bodies speak for themselves, it's not my belief, it's what is.

 

[Maninthemiddle]

Read my post again. You addressed none of it. There was no recommendation there that you or anybody else should tolerate or participate in homosexuality because many of the beasts do.

And I don't live mine by what ancient holy books advise. The god of Abraham is a bigot as depicted - homophobic, atheophobic, and misogynistic, condones rape and slavery, and considers human wisdom foolishness and scripture wisdom. We can do better than that, but not if we let sources like that one inform us.

And has been mentioned, we are all animals, and have most of the same drives. They don't all serve us in civilized life like they did when our ancestors lived in trees. Now, we need to develop rules about killing in anger and taking what isn't ours, for example, to preserve social cohesion and peace.

Humanism takes that further, and fosters human development and maximal social and economic opportunity for the greatest number to pursue happiness as they understand it within the confines of those societal rules. The bigotries of the Abrahamic religions are counterproductive to that end, and thus immoral. They make many lives worse.

Like I said, we can do better than that, but we need to shake the toxic influence of such religions, or, at a minimum, keep them out of the lives of unbelievers, who don't care what the faithful think their gods want.

You do realise I don't follow Abrahamic Religions right.

You do, you live as a human animal.

i live as a Male Human Animal is physically supposed to.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

You do realise I don't follow Abrahamic Religions right.

No, I didn't. Where did you learn to think like that if not in a church or mosque? Who taught you that because reproduction involves a man and a woman that that other ways that people enjoy safe, consensual sex are to be discouraged or avoided? Who taught you that man and his genitals were designed?

I don't believe that any of the polytheistic religions teach intelligent design or homophobia, but I might be wrong about that. Humanism certainly doesn't.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Natures design, Man are physically designed to be with a woman.

Says who? Where did you come up with this?

 

[Sargonski]

Our physical bodies speak for themselves, it's not my belief, it's what is.

bearing absolutely no revevance to the point that was made ... 1) that how you think our bodies speak .. specifically the ability to procreate .. "What is" has no bearing on whether or not the couple should remain together in the way you figure they should be .. and you have not shown otherwise .. addressing the argument put forth previously ..

Haram.. .. clearly the best way for man and woman to be together would you not say .. do "Our Physical Bodies not speak for themselves" ?

 

[Maninthemiddle]

Says who? Where did you come up with this?

Says the reproductive organs obviously.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Says the reproductive organs obviously.

They don't say that. Reproduction is just one function of those organs. Did you say:

"Unfortunately society has deemed it normal as feelings trump facts."

Society has not "deemed it normal". They have found out that it is normal. You seem to be running on feelings here. Here is what you need to have facts. You first need a hypothesis, then you must test and confirm it, after that others must do the same. Many times. Right now you only have feelings.

 

[Maninthemiddle]

They don't say that. Reproduction is just one function of those organs. Did you say:

"Unfortunately society has deemed it normal as feelings trump facts."

Society has not "deemed it normal". They have found out that it is normal. You seem to be running on feelings here. Here is what you need to have facts. You first need a hypothesis, then you must test and confirm it, after that others must do the same. Many times. Right now you only have feelings.

Male and female are designed physically for a partnership.
Can same sex couples reproduce, no because they don’t go together, that’s a fact, a proven fact.
**mod edit**

 

[Subduction Zone]

Male and female are designed physically for a partnership.
Can same sex couples reproduce, no because they don’t go together, that’s a fact, a proven fact.
**mod edit**

You need more than a "Because I say so". You are the one running on feelings. I am asking for evidence. You don't have any and it probably frustrates you. Oops! Those are feelings too.

 

[Maninthemiddle]

They don't say that. Reproduction is just one function of those organs. Did you say:

"Unfortunately society has deemed it normal as feelings trump facts."

Society has not "deemed it normal". They have found out that it is normal. You seem to be running on feelings here. Here is what you need to have facts. You first need a hypothesis, then you must test and confirm it, after that others must do the same. Many times. Right now you only have feelings.

You’re basically saying putting a square peg into a square hole is not factual and you can put it anywhere you feel.
You may put a round peg in a square hole if it makes you feel good but it’s foolish to argue your right as the round peg does not belong regardless of your feelings.