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Why do you think it's wrong for someone else to be gay?

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
The things I mentioned can be objectively measured. Assuming there is agreement that things that harm people are innately wrong my statements are correct.

Yeah, the bold is what makes it subjective. So if we agree that you are evil, you are objectively evil. ;)
 

Shaul

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Yeah, the bold is what makes it subjective. So if we agree that you are evil, you are objectively evil. ;)
Not really. All humane persons accept the axiom that causing harm to people is wrong. Causing harm to people is innately and inherently wrong.
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
Not really. All humane persons accept the axiom that causing harm to people is wrong. Causing harm to people is innately and inherently wrong.

No, sorry. I don't agree as to how you used in your example. So let us see how you are going to answer.
 

Shaul

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
No, sorry. I don't agree as to how you used in your example. So let us see how you are going to answer.
My position is that the increased suicides, domestic violence and health maladies that affect gays are wrong. I stand by that. Are you arguing that the increased suicides, domestic violence and health maladies that affect gays are a good thing?
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
My position is that the increased suicides, domestic violence and health maladies that affect gays are wrong. I stand by that. Are you arguing that the increased suicides, domestic violence and health maladies that affect gays are a good thing?

That they are none of your business as such because you single out a specific group. Since you are knowledgeable on the subject, how about lesbians?
Further are the numbers only American?
 

Shaul

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
That they are none of your business as such because you single out a specific group. Since you are knowledgeable on the subject, how about lesbians?
Further are the numbers only American?
So you refuse to state that increased suicides, domestic violence and health maladies that affect gays are wrong.
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
So you refuse to state that increased suicides, domestic violence and health maladies that affect gays are wrong.

Well, males are more violent than females, so males are wrong. That is your logic. You are a male, so you are wrong!!!
I have more, but stop being wrong!!! You need to stop being a male!!! That is so wrong, Shaul. Stop it now. Become a female.
 

Shaul

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Well, males are more violent than females, so males are wrong. That is your logic. You are a male, so you are wrong!!!
I have more, but stop being wrong!!! You need to stop being a male!!! That is so wrong, Shaul. Stop it now. Become a female.
That is called a non sequitur. I never wrote that gays themselves were wrong. I wrote that some things that happen to gays is wrong. Male violence is wrong. Males themselves aren't.

On the other hand, a refusal to call evil acts evil shows an internal character flaw.
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
That is called a non sequitur. I never wrote that gays themselves were wrong. I wrote that some things that happen to gays is wrong. Male violence is wrong. Males themselves aren't.

On the other hand, a refusal to call evil acts evil shows an internal character flaw.

So it has nothing to do with being male, gay or what not. Wrong thing happen to all humans.
 

Shaul

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
So it has nothing to do with being male, gay or what not. Wrong thing happen to all humans.
I never wrote otherwise. Now, can you finally state for the record that you think higher suicide rates, increased domestic violence and increased health maladies experienced by gays is wrong?

Until you can, have a nice day.
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
I never wrote otherwise. Now, can you finally state for the record that you think higher suicide rates, increased domestic violence and increased health maladies experienced by gays is wrong?

Until you can, have a nice day.

Well, part 2:

Read it, all of it.
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
Why would you presume to ask me to do something when you can't bring yourself to answer a simple question I have asked?

Well, we have to establish how the wrong happens for the different categories you listed. And further compare that to other groups.
 

Shaul

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Well, we have to establish how the wrong happens for the different categories you listed. And further compare that to other groups.
Until you can agree to finally state for the record that you think higher suicide rates, increased domestic violence and increased health maladies experienced by gays is wrong I don't see a common ground for discussion. Have a nice, blessed day.
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
Until you can agree to finally state for the record that you think higher suicide rates, increased domestic violence and increased health maladies experienced by gays is wrong I don't see a common ground for discussion. Have a nice, blessed day.

No, I am still going to ask for causation for how that is the case, before I am starting to do the assessment of wrong. Then we will see how it is wrong and if there are several different cases of wrong.
 

Shaul

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
No, I am still going to ask for causation for how that is the case, before I am starting to do the assessment of wrong. Then we will see how it is wrong and if there are several different cases of wrong.
Nonesuch is required for the putative case. If these things exist, then they are wrong. There is no need to prove they exist prior to asserting that they are wrong in the putative case.
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
Nonesuch is required for the putative case. If these things exist, then they are wrong. There is no need to prove they exist prior to asserting that they are wrong in the putative case.

I and others harass you over time and you choose to commit suicide. Suicide is harm and wrong.
What does the latter sentence actually signify for wrong? And how many cases of harm were there ?
 

Monty

Active Member
Bending it all the way. The angels made the homosexuals blind.
What evidence do you have to support your claim that Lot's sons-in-law were homosexuals and wanted to have sex with the two blokes Lot picked up downtown instead of with their future wives? And is that why Lot tried to pimp their future wives (Gen 19:8) and then mocked his sons-in-law (Gen 19:14) before he sexually assaulted his daughters in a cave? Or did Lot's sons-in-law just want to know what Lot was up to with the two blokes he picked up (Gen 19:5)?
 

Maninthemiddle

Active Member
Being Gay is not a choice, you cannot choose what you’re attracted to.

I do feel that something Biological has affected them and caused this as Males and Females by their very design are created to go together.

If someone has psychological issues or mental disorders we attempt to at least treat it,
Unfortunately society has deemed it normal as feelings trump facts.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
Being Gay is not a choice, you cannot choose what you’re attracted to.

I do feel that something Biological has affected them and caused this as Males and Females by their very design are created to go together.
Since you say it is biological why assume being gay goes against design? There are many animals that show homosexual tendencies.
If someone has psychological issues or mental disorders we attempt to at least treat it,
Unfortunately society has deemed it normal as feelings trump facts.
Are you suggesting homosexuality is a psychological problem? Feelings trump what facts?
 
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