But do you have any evidence that god built us to watch others having sex?
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Why do you think it's wrong for someone else to be gay?
- Thread starter Jimmy
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Fair enough.
I think the point still stands. People use things that were designed for other purposes all the time, don't see why that would be wrong because of the supposed divine.
Sand Dancer
Currently catless
It's an actual defense mechanism. I think it's projection.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
Nope, it isn't.
flowerpower
Member
Sex, generally speaking, is remarkably complex on a psychological level.
There's a middle path to be walked as far as sexual morality goes. A lot of the seemingly prudish rules and guidelines that the Abrahamic religions imposed upon the world regarding sex might be insufferable but I can see where they're coming from and how certain restraints and disciplines can benefit people.
The other side of the same coin is that people typically have a lot of sexual needs, wants or urges that almost become painful or burdonsome things to carry around with them if they're not gratified in some way (just another reason why uber Christians love carrying crucifixes around their necks I guess) - exercising sexual discipline and morality is a form of sacrifice and discipline for a greater good.
A lot of the time people who don't at least explore some of the kookier, crazier parts of their sexuality carry it around to a point when it really becomes a unresolved problem - like an illness or a form of unnecessary suffering.
All things in moderation is that middle path I guess. I don't think it's a stretch to say that excessive masturbation or relying on masturbation to gratify sexual urges has negative consequences besides shame. Sometimes experimentation can go awry and have negative consequences - promiscuity definitely has baggage.
Even consent can be a lot trickier than a lot of people think it is - I'm not talking about grey areas that come up when people are intoxicated (entirely anyway) - age gaps and gaps in experience can often lead to people feeling violated even if there is clear and obvious consent and both (or all) people are above the age of consent. Abuse of power positions come to mind.
There's a middle path to be walked as far as sexual morality goes. A lot of the seemingly prudish rules and guidelines that the Abrahamic religions imposed upon the world regarding sex might be insufferable but I can see where they're coming from and how certain restraints and disciplines can benefit people.
The other side of the same coin is that people typically have a lot of sexual needs, wants or urges that almost become painful or burdonsome things to carry around with them if they're not gratified in some way (just another reason why uber Christians love carrying crucifixes around their necks I guess) - exercising sexual discipline and morality is a form of sacrifice and discipline for a greater good.
A lot of the time people who don't at least explore some of the kookier, crazier parts of their sexuality carry it around to a point when it really becomes a unresolved problem - like an illness or a form of unnecessary suffering.
All things in moderation is that middle path I guess. I don't think it's a stretch to say that excessive masturbation or relying on masturbation to gratify sexual urges has negative consequences besides shame. Sometimes experimentation can go awry and have negative consequences - promiscuity definitely has baggage.
Even consent can be a lot trickier than a lot of people think it is - I'm not talking about grey areas that come up when people are intoxicated (entirely anyway) - age gaps and gaps in experience can often lead to people feeling violated even if there is clear and obvious consent and both (or all) people are above the age of consent. Abuse of power positions come to mind.
flowerpower
Member
Damn that's a grossly worded post.
I agree though that the "designed for" argument is pretty fallacious. It'd be a pretty boring and tiresome way to go through life to always presume that our genitals were only for reproducing and literally nothing else. It'd be a living hell for me.
(now I'm starting to really understand where the "no pun intended" cliché came from - "fallacious" just seemed like the best way to express that particular comment and, when I went to substitute it, I drew a blank)
As far as anal sex goes, I suppose the only thing to watch out for apart from experiencing pain, actual physical damage or social stigma in some small communities is the higher likelihood or diseases and potential for new diseases to take place.
I don't really enjoy anal penetration stuff at all for a long number of reasons. Personal preference thing I guess.
So you're normal. Most people don't. Even a lot of gay men who try it don't like it because it's often painful. There's a trend of more heteros trying it since men are porn addicts these days and want their women to act like porn actresses.
Rise in popularity of anal sex has led to health problems for women
Incontinence, bleeding and STIs among the consequences, say two surgeons, who want doctors to have open chats with patients on the topic
Anal sex is, let's be honest, filthy. The person on the receiving end usually has to "clean" themselves out beforehand and dilate their spincter to even be able to do it. Even if a condom is used tears, fissures and internal injuries still occur, some of which can land you in diapers. There's also bacterial and parasitic infections that can be spread from it.
That it feels good (for some people) isn't a great argument for it as someone somewhere finds anything you can think of pleasurable (like fetishes). There's even better ways to stimulate the nerve endings and prostate that don't involve putting things in there.
I personally think it's fairly obvious that penises and vaginas go together. Even if you remove religious claims, there's still the fact that the organs are adapted to each other. We actually have women to thank for making the human penis the way it is now. The same is not true for anal sex.
But to be fair to gay men, I think a good compromise would be for them to cut down on the anal stuff since that causes so much of the health problems plaguing that community, along with the substance abuse and promiscuity that affects that community. Same could be said for trans women. Oral sex and mutual masturbation are fairly low risk activities.
Anyway, I guess this is a safer sex PSA.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
What's gross about it?
Yeah, but it's obviously not the only valid combination.
I don't see anything wrong with oral or manual sex. Even a Catholic is allowed to do such things (as long as the husband finishes in the vagina to keep it open to life, is what the teaching would be). It's anal sex that's generally not a good idea. I'll admit to involvement in...backdoor...activities in the past (lol), so it's not like I'm judging. I'm being objective.
flowerpower
Member
Seriously?
And this is a weirdly-worded post.
LOL "valid".
Maybe I'm just a unusually sexually charged creature with some loopy kinks.
But talking about sex in strictly anatomical terms often comes across as really odd to me, especially when talking about "waste" - and the word "valid" being applied to where genitals and other body parts are placed for the purpose of sexual interaction just makes me giggle.
The recent monkey pox thing made me totally rethink the practice of full blown anal sex along moral lines.
That's totally understandable. I definitely think people should stop doing it and it's not a good thing. I don't agree with it being normalized in pop culture, either, like it's something to be tried or you're boring.
flowerpower
Member
Agreed.
The normalization of it in pop culture thing is probably just more problematic residue from the sexual revolution too.
And as long as we're on the topic of discussing body parts in a deadpan manner, I can't help but notice that straight men who especially love anal sex are typically promiscuous guys with embarrassingly small penises. It often has a direct correlation with their personality types too - guys with small penises tend to be really loud, aggressive and obnoxious; more well-endowed men are usually more quiet, sweet and humble. Yes - that's a generalization, but it's definitely a trend I've noticed.
And the the whole trope about "it's not about size but how you use it" is dramatically overstated IMO - almost to the point where I call BS - usually because the men who want that idea to fly are loud and aggressive.
Well...you said it, not me.
BDE is a thing. I'm bi and I've noticed that it's usually the unassuming ones who are packing there, the ones you wouldn't think would be.
Soandso
ᛋᛏᚨᚾᛞ ᛋᚢᚱᛖ
Well...you said it, not me.
It's usually because folks who are packing don't usually feel the need to overcompensate and project their insecurities. This isn't always true, as other insecurities can also manifest and be projected instead, but generally it's a thing
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
If that hot to trot trolip Lilith is any indicator.....
And to think Adam left her for Eve.
Then God said, "Let there be porn", and it was so.
-Testament of Lilith- Chapter 1: 69.
As I recall, Garrison Keillor said something
that disproved the existence of God...
Who would put a playground in a toxic
waste facility?
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
That only appeals to one's own sexuality. I watch straight porn because I am straight. I am betting that gay people watch gay porn. We are both watching a couple, or a throuple, or maybe even more have sex.
flowerpower
Member
It's funny how quickly people seem to forget that watching and getting off on porn is strictly an exercise in voyeurism.
It hasn't been around that long either - lotsa problems with it.
Seems to be getting worse and worse too.
Free internet porn + Capitalism = Serious trouble for humanity
It's already starting to take a noticeable toll.
It would be even worse if government
had the power to prevent watching porn,
& to punish voyeurs.
Liberty beats government forcing us to
be what it says we should be.
flowerpower
Member
As much as I hate to say it, as much as porn irks me, my distaste/hatred for nannystatism probably takes precedence.
Something needs to be done to correct the porn problem facing humanity as it currently exists.
I wouldn't want that correction to be done by the state though; feels like a really bad idea waiting to happen.
I don't know. Maybe it's just best to leave well enough alone. Bad things are going to happen regardless. There are already laws in place that govern porn to an extent (and, of course, people who effectively break those laws and get away with it right up until they don't).
Maybe the answer is just a well-informed public.
I don't have a lot of faith in most people's capacity to wrap their heads around things like how our dopamine systems work though.
Arrgh - everything's always an ongoing problem!!