Why do you think it's wrong for someone else to be gay?

[Shadow Wolf]

Not sure what you mean by that.

You're free to hold your own opinions about me. Misguided as they may be, I have no sway over that. I get it. You see something unusual and this is where lots of you normies typically go.

Fair enough but doesn't this place allow for a little bit of creativity in the ways we express ourselves and our accounting for taste? I

It's the fact that inserting something like "yuck" betrays you are speaking in subjective emotions rather than of objective evidence. This is a debate forum amd many of us hold higher standards than personal feelings for saying someone's behavior is wrong. That's acceptable behavior in church, but in the real world it's not friendly to say the least.

I just found your deadpan discussion of waste expulsion in the context of sex to a little squeamish to me and, similarly, applying the word "valid" as far as sexual practices go to be unusually robotic to the point where I find it kind of humorous. That's fine though - you do you; I'll do me.

I'm autistic ("robotic" is an adjective that gets frequent use to describe us). Feel better?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

How are they doing it that people are going to the ER? I thought it was safe enough.

Broken penis.

Reverse Cowgirl Responsible For Most Cases Of Penile Fracture In The West: A Global Guide

A Brazilian study has given interesting insight on the world's leading causes of penile fractures.

www.medicaldaily.com

 

[flowerpower]

You're free to hold your own opinions about me. Misguided as they may be, I have no sway over that. I get it. You see something unusual and this is where lots of you normies typically go.

It's the fact that inserting something like "yuck" betrays you are speaking in subjective emotions rather than of objective evidence. This is a debate forum amd many of us hold higher standards than personal feelings for saying someone's behavior is wrong. That's acceptable behavior in church, but in the real world it's not friendly to say the least.

I'm autistic ("robotic" is an adjective that gets frequent use to describe us). Feel better?

Well, I don't actually know you. I don't have any opinions about someone I've never met. Well, if I do, they're certainly not strong opinions.

I think my participation in this thread has seem me express a lot of things including subjective emotions. I don't really understand what your problem is with that. Like @Saint Frankenstein said - only you seems to be conflating some kind of moral angle into the discussion in places where it doesn't really belong. "Higher standards"? Really? Somehow it's "not friendly in the real world" to discuss the possibility that sexual abuse is bad?

I'm new here - I had absolutely no way of possibly knowing that you were autistic apart from endeavoring to read through every one of your nearly 100,000 posts on this forum which I think is a pretty unrealistic and unreasonable expectation of anyone. It's not my intention to make you uncomfortable or disparage anyone who might have any diagnosis of any kind - it's not how I conduct myself on this forum or anywhere, and don't intent to start doing that either. On this forum, I've already shared a pretty personal diagnosis of my own that carries a lot of stigma with it, what I would personally avoid doing is looking for any possible angle to take a person's commentary of my post and twist it into a kind of deliberately offensive personal attack of my diagnosis - I didn't intend to offend you with the words I used; it's just my own observations of and commentary on a very few of your many posts. And I'll leave it at that.

Regardless, it seems like we are getting WAY off topic here.

Broken penis.

Reverse Cowgirl Responsible For Most Cases Of Penile Fracture In The West: A Global Guide

A Brazilian study has given interesting insight on the world's leading causes of penile fractures.

www.medicaldaily.com

Somehow I have a hard time believing that the frequency of this happening is even remotely comparable to the risks of anal sex.

 

[Subduction Zone]

How are they doing it that people are going to the ER? I thought it was safe enough.

Peyronie's disease. And I guess that reverse cowgirl is the riskiest. Just ask Bill Clinton:

The Riskiest Sex Positions For Your Penis

www.drelist.com

 

[Subduction Zone]

Well, I don't actually know you. I don't have any opinions about someone I've never met. Well, if I do, they're certainly not strong opinions.

I think my participation in this thread has seem me express a lot of things including subjective emotions. I don't really understand what your problem is with that. Like @Saint Frankenstein said - only you seems to be conflating some kind of moral angle into the discussion in places where it doesn't really belong. "Higher standards"? Really? Somehow it's "not friendly in the real world" to discuss the possibility that sexual abuse is bad?

I'm new here - I had absolutely no way of possibly knowing that you were autistic apart from endeavoring to read through every one of your nearly 100,000 posts on this forum which I think is a pretty unrealistic and unreasonable expectation of anyone. It's not my intention to make you uncomfortable or disparage anyone who might have any diagnosis of any kind - it's not how I conduct myself on this forum or anywhere, and don't intent to start doing that either. On this forum, I've already shared a pretty personal diagnosis of my own that carries a lot of stigma with it, what I would personally avoid doing is looking for any possible angle to take a person's commentary of my post and twist it into a kind of deliberately offensive personal attack of my diagnosis - I didn't intend to offend you with the words I used; it's just my own observations of and commentary on a very few of your many posts. And I'll leave it at that.

Regardless, it seems like we are getting WAY off topic here.



Somehow I have a hard time believing that the frequency of this happening is even remotely comparable to the risks of anal sex.

Anal sex has it's own problems. So it is hard to compare the two. The number of affected men by Peyronie's disease may be as high as 10%. So it is riskier in terms of numbers. I don't have any statistics on anal sex. Though I do know that at least fairly recently that many Catholic school girls (oh lord not another trite porn trope) would agree to anal sex before regular intercourse because that way they would still be a virgin. For a better explanation I will post a video, but due to its sensitive nature I will put it behind a spoiler:

Spoiler

 

[flowerpower]

Anal sex has it's own problems. So it is hard to compare the two. The number of affected men by Peyronie's disease may be as high as 10%. So it is riskier in terms of numbers. I don't have any statistics on anal sex. Though I do know that at least fairly recently that many Catholic school girls (oh lord not another trite porn trope) would agree to anal sex before regular intercourse because that way they would still be a virgin. For a better explanation I will post a video, but due to its sensitive nature I will put it behind a spoiler:

Spoiler

Funny.

But I went through 13 years of Catholic school and that was actually never really a thing that anyone even considered.

I guess my own experience isn't universal but the amount of girls who actually gave too ****s about sexual morality along Catholic lines was so small that it wasn't really even evident. There were just a handful of boring people who people didn't really care about and that was it.

Catholic school for me had a lot more serious issues going on than obeying the bible (which was almost commonly laughed at) - there seemed to be a lot more snobbery, bullying, racism, socio-economic class stratification (no joke) and rather pridefully engaging active transgressions in high school especially compared to a lot of the kids we knew in the public system. It was brutal. Not a lot of the hassles had to do with sex at all (more of a badge of honor than anything else) - except for people working themselves out in relationships; cheating, fighting, etc.

 

[Left Coast]

This thread started with a question of why homosexuality is wrong and has ended up as a debate on anal sex.

Do people forget that lesbians exist? Do people forget that there is more to being a gay man than ****ing each other up the ***?

Even if we take exaggerated fear-mongering about anal at face value for sake of argument - that tells us nothing about the morality of gayness.

That said, of course, millions of gay men have anal sex safely all the time.

 

[ChristineM]

It hasn't been around that long either -

Go to Pompeii and Herculaneum, 2000 year old porn is graffiti, stone carvings and mosaics just about every everywhere you look.

Older still in India. Probably elsewhere too but I've not seen it

 

[Subduction Zone]

Go to Pompeii and Herculaneum, 2000 year old porn is graffiti, stone carvings and mosaics just about every everywhere you look.

Older still in India. Probably elsewhere too but I've not seen it

Don't take the kids to church in India

 

[flowerpower]

This thread started with a question of why homosexuality is wrong and has ended up as a debate on anal sex.

Do people forget that lesbians exist? Do people forget that there is more to being a gay man than ****ing each other up the ***?

Even if we take exaggerated fear-mongering about anal at face value for sake of argument - that tells us nothing about the morality of gayness.

That said, of course, millions of gay men have anal sex safely all the time.

It's actually pretty comical when you put it that way. Yes, this thread did take a very abrupt turn in a facile direction.

I'm disappointed that my commentary on the discord between the LGBT community and the simple fact that some people are gay got such little attention when I first weighed in on this thread - which, as the OP glibly implied, thoughtful people ought not have much to say on the topic.

I thought I was thinking outside the box and stimulating sincere discussion on topic too. Oh well...

 

[Left Coast]

It's actually pretty comical when you put it that way. Yes, this thread did take a very abrupt turn in a facile direction.

I'm disappointed that my commentary on the discord between the LGBT community and the simple fact that some people are gay got such little attention when I first weighed in on this thread - which, as the OP glibly implied, thoughtful people ought not have much to say on the topic.

I thought I was thinking outside the box and stimulating sincere discussion on topic too. Oh well...

It happens quite a lot when discussions of gayness occur, here and elsewhere. Particularly among social conservatives. Gayness is reduced to male gayness and male gayness is reduced to butt stuff. Sigh.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

only you seems to be conflating some kind of moral angle into the discussion in places where it doesn't really belong. "

You are the one who did that when yoi said it's wrong, gave acryptic mentioning of being illegal that you did clarify, amd said yuck.

I'm new here - I had absolutely no way of possibly knowing that you were autistic

That's why we don't call people weird, say they seem odd amd other such things. Regardless if I'm autistic or not, regardless if you're new or not it's rude.

 

[flowerpower]

You are the one who did that when yoi said it's wrong, gave acryptic mentioning of being illegal that you did clarify, amd said yuck.

That's why we don't call people weird, say they seem odd amd other such things. Regardless if I'm autistic or not, regardless if you're new or not it's rude.

I didn't do any of the things you just accused me of.

End of story.

Moving on...

 

[Sand Dancer]

Yeah I was scratching my head over that too.

If someone has to go to the emergency room over something as benign and harmless as cowgirl, I'd say the people involved probably have bigger issues than their chosen sexual practices.

Perhaps it got...bent?

 

[Sand Dancer]

Broken penis.

Reverse Cowgirl Responsible For Most Cases Of Penile Fracture In The West: A Global Guide

A Brazilian study has given interesting insight on the world's leading causes of penile fractures.

www.medicaldaily.com

Yikes!!! Okay, just switch around to regular cowgirl. Little risk there I figure.

 

[Sand Dancer]

It happens quite a lot when discussions of gayness occur, here and elsewhere. Particularly among social conservatives. Gayness is reduced to male gayness and male gayness is reduced to butt stuff. Sigh.

So do they think that hetero sex is reduced to just vag stuff? No, of course not. Ugh.

 

[Left Coast]

So do they think that hetero sex is reduced to just vag stuff? No, of course not. Ugh.

It's part of a long-standing type of rhetoric that paints gay people as dangerous to public health. It's the same mentality that produces "grooming" comments.

 

[Sand Dancer]

It's part of a long-standing type of rhetoric that paints gay people as dangerous to public health. It's the same mentality that produces "grooming" comments.

They can't put themselves in another's shoes and realize that people value love and companionship, no matter what their orientation is.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yikes!!! Okay, just switch around to regular cowgirl. Little risk there I figure.

Or just a little less enthusiasm. Of course then what is the fun in that. I figure, as long as both parties know the risks involved it is fine.

And why is reverse cowgirl a no no in Alabama?

 

[Subduction Zone]

They can't put themselves in another's shoes and realize that people value love and companionship, no matter what their orientation is.

Yes, it is a serious lack of empathy. It took me a while to realize that gay people, contrary to the right wing, were only asking for the same rights as others, not special rights.