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Why does anyone care about watching sports?

jmvizanko

Uber Tool
doppelgänger;2374095 said:
Are (1) Nationalism, (2) sports fandom and (3) religious identity just different manifestations of the same psychological impulses?

I think on some level, yes, and obviously I am getting at that. I don't understand arbitrary preference of a nation, a sports team, or a religion. I always wonder how somebody can have a "God Bless America" bumper sticker, and at one point I even made a "Its God Bless The World!" humper sticker for myself. And once again, its usually dumber people in my experience that are highly patriotic.
 

ninerbuff

godless wonder
Quite to the contrary. I am extremely outgoing in social settings.

And only one of the four activities I mentioned are loner activities. A boat packed full of people, my best friends on my squads, and debating online are not "individual fun." (although the last one is probably a stretch)

I'm not trying to say I'm better than anyone. Smarter perhaps, but that is what it is. I am trying to understand why watching sports is interesting to anyone.
Let's see if I can elaborate.
We work and for most of us the work is something we HAVE to do to make a living. For most that I know of, the job is repetitive and for many I know, it's just day to day with everyday pretty much being the same.
Sports for us isn't about the day to day blah. We don't get paid to enjoy it or talk about it Monday morning. We enjoy and marvel at the physical and athletic abilities of these pros because we know the "average" person doesn't possess them. It's an "escape" from dealing with the day to day doldrums.
Some like to do it by reading a book, learning an art, debating online etc. For sports fans, this is their "escape" and it makes them feel happy. Anything that makes you happy is something you want to be involved in. It's not anymore simple than that.

BTW, you mentioned water sports, in YOU yourself will watch, but it's probably in an analytical way that you do it.
 
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Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
You can try to downplay and backtrack now all you want, but what you really said in the OP was this:


...how can anyone give a crap about watching sports, especially the most popular ones such as basketball, football, etc.?

...Oh woopy doo dah, the 20th dunk this game. Glad to see something different. I guess there is the thrill of your team winning, but...

... I think the fact that there is a correlation between the home team doing poorly and spousal abuse in that area going up pretty much sums up the mindest of the people that care the most.

...The next time somebody asks me if I saw the game, or who my favorite team is, and they display any sort of dismay when I say I don't really care at all, do I have the right to tell them just how stupid their past time is? And how I would rather be doing something intellectually stimulating and/or interactive? (Which would include actually PLAYING sports)

Like i said, "to each their own." I respect anybody's love of watching sports, but I can't help myself from thinking they must be a bit dumb for it.

No, you don't respect it at all. This much is obvious. You think those who enjoy spectator sports are a bit stupid.


Now, regarding symphonies, plays, and the like:

Fair enough. But I guess I can't do anything about the fact that I see these other things you list as being much more intellectually stimulating.

Or, you could be like my husband and me - well rounded people who enjoy both the arts AND sports! :D

More fun, more fun.

I think you missed something. I'm not offended when people bring up anything. I just think its rude when somebody brings something up, and then thinks its strange that I am not into whatever they are bringing up.

I don't know this for sure, but I would be willing to bet that your negative attitude toward sports manifests itself in your response to them when they talk about sports.

I had somebody word for word tell me, after I said (politely, but thank for assuming I'm just a d!ck) I'm just not really a sport person, "well that's weird."

I have people tell me all the time that my interest in Russian history is weird. May I suggest that you quit taking this so personally? People are trying to include you in conversation, they're excited about the topic of their favorite team, or the Superbowl, whatever, and they get some blase response from you when they excitedly ask, "So - whose gonna win the big game this weekend?" Should they call you weird if you don't like sports? Probably not, but have you considered that your disdain for their pet hobby is probably more apparent than you realize?

Disdain is pretty hard to hide.

Something I would never do about any topic/acitivity/hobby, except in response to somebody that went there first. I am almost always I highly pleasant person.

Well, if you insist.

I know very intelligent people that are into sports, so I am only making a generalization. But its still an accurate one from my experience; the more intelligent people I have known have less interest in sports. And yes, I do think that that is because it is an interest that is much less intellectually stimulating.

Yes, you've made that clear - and it's probably pretty obvious in your real life response to the topic.

And the similarity to religious indoctrination continues. If you had grown up elsewhere, you probably would be a loyal [some other team] fan. I know its a bit irrelevant to the topic, although the mindset that crosses both realms is why I ask, but once again, were you raised to be Christian?

You know it's so funny that you say that about locale - I was a military brat and military wife and I've lived all over the world.

Now, this may come as a surprise to you, but other than the Saints, I haven't been much of a sports fan till the past five years or so. In fact, the main reason I have been a Saints fan for most of my life is because they were so spectacularly BAD for so long, that it became kind of a New Orleans joke - sort of a local silliness, if you may. It was fun to call yourself an Aint, and to wear a bag over your head on game day, or a mask. It sort of tied in with the whole Mardi Gras/party town atmosphere.

Actually, I knew very little about professional sports, especially football, till five or six years ago. In fact, like you, I DISLIKED football, and I REALLY HATED baseball.

I was (and still am) a very artistic person, with what I considered to be much more cerebral, and therefore of course superior, interests than (ugh!) team sports.

Then I met my husband, whose son is an accomplished athlete, and on the varsity football and baseball teams. Consequently, much to my initial dismay, I began attending, as a sort of moral obligation, lots of high school games.

I was shocked at how much I started enjoying the games. As a matter of necessity, just to keep from being bored out of my mind, I started learning the rules. As I got to know the kids on the teams, I found it interesting to watch them mature, and hone their talents, and excel. I began to actually CARE whether they won or lost.

This bled over into professional football when the Saints began to come into their own right after Katrina. See, Katrina emotionally devastated me and my family - in fact, my son was in New Orleans when Katrina hit and I didn't hear from him for over a week. My family's business there was destroyed and my cousins all moved away. As a family we were grieving for the city we loved.

The Saints, under Sean Peyton and Drew Brees, breathed life back into that city - and lots and lots of lovely money. When they won the Superbowl, I got so excited that both my dogs ran and hid under furniture!

That Superbowl win was symbolic of much more than just a big football game.

So you see - there are many reasons why people love sports. Perhaps your dismissal of their intelligence because they love something you don't give a rat's *** about is indicative more of your level of intelligence and perception than theirs.

As for your final question - "Was I raised Christian?" Yes, I was - in a home devoid of any sort of sports. My mother is an accomplished artist (oil painting) and my father is an HR consultant who never played a sport in his life. We didn't even have a television in our home, so I never watched a single game of any sort in my house. Any exposure I had to any sports, including Saints fun, was via my circle of friends.

I never went to a single high school game of any sort, never played a sport, and the only professional game I ever went to was a Harlem Globetrotters game my dad took us kids to when I was ten.

So - I fail to see the correlation between my Christian faith and my love of professional football.

Sorry to dissappoint.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
I agree. Watching a group of guys throw and ball and whack it with a stick is anything but entertaining. And actually watching golf?:sleep: And in my opinion it doesn't get any worse than watching cars drive in a circle for 2 or 3 hours.
But at the same time it does present an outlet for many people to socialize and bond.
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
I certainly don't care for most sports - and wouldn't waste my time sitting around watching sports for hours each week.

But - I also wouldn't collect stamps, or scrapbook, or raise roses, or go horseback riding, or play hours of video games either.

Or sit with my phone attached to my hand like a lifeline, texting groups of people to let them know that "now I'm at Buffalo Wild Wings!" as if they really cared.

And other people wouldn't sit and watch every episode of "The Vicar of Dibley" or "Band of Brothers" on a long rainy weekend either.

Hobbies are just that - hobbies. What we do in our FREE TIME, to RELAX and HAVE FUN. Different bites for different likes, I'd say.

Hell, check out people involved in the Society for Creative Anachronism and THEN tell me how weird football fans are!

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ninerbuff

godless wonder
Can we also say that sports are great for the economy. Even in down times, people who struggle will still take time out to enjoy and participate in them. I don't think some really know how much the NFL makes alone. With the billion dollar TV contracts, money from ads, sports paraphenilia, etc. if the NFL owners end up locking out the players March 3, and there ends up being no season next year, a lot of people will be out of jobs.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
I don't think some really know how much the NFL makes alone. With the billion dollar TV contracts, money from ads, sports paraphenilia, etc. if the NFL owners end up locking out the players March 3, and there ends up being no season next year, a lot of people will be out of jobs.
Indiana will be royally screwed after all the investments and hype put into getting to host the Super Bowl. And not too mention all the businesses that are going to be loosing out.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
doppelgänger;2374095 said:
Are (1) Nationalism, (2) sports fandom and (3) religious identity just different manifestations of the same psychological impulses?
Maybe... but I think that sports fandom sometimes has something that the others don't: love of the game.

I think that's probably a good description of my approach to motorsports. I'm not really devoted to any particular team or driver (although there are a number of drivers who I like and would like to see do well), but I can't get over the sheer poetry of watching a driver - any driver - out-brake a competitor to make a pass at corner 3 in Toronto or get a perfect four-wheel drift on a rally stage.

For me, I don't so much identify with the team as with the sport. I find racing inspiring.

... though now that I think about it, if you take all the racing terminology in what I've just said and replace it with religious terminology, you'd probably have something that sounds a lot like Karen Armstrong. :D

And in my opinion it doesn't get any worse than watching cars drive in a circle for 2 or 3 hours.
IMO, it's much better when they turn right AND left. ;)

Still, even with NASCAR, there's something magical about watching someone who's really good at what they do when they're really on their game.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
doppelgänger;2375696 said:
Can being a sports fan be a spiritual experience? Why or why not?
I've yet to find a satisfactory definition for the term "spiritual", but I'd say that non-tangible feelings and experiences I've derived from auto racing are similar to what religious people tell me they derive from religion.
 

doppelganger

Through the Looking Glass
I've yet to find a satisfactory definition for the term "spiritual", but I'd say that non-tangible feelings and experiences I've derived from auto racing are similar to what religious people tell me they derive from religion.
How about the one I used in the thread "My Spirit Theory" a couple of years ago?
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
doppelgänger;2375737 said:
How about the one I used in the thread "My Spirit Theory" a couple of years ago?
I can't remember that thread. I'll have to look it up and get back to you.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
doppelgänger;2375737 said:
How about the one I used in the thread "My Spirit Theory" a couple of years ago?
(just so everyone's on the same page, here's the thread: http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/religious-debates/60926-my-spirit-theory.html )

It seems consistent enough with itself, but I agree with Angellous in that thread: it's missing the supernatural element that, IMO, most people are referring to when they talk about being "spiritual".

To the extent that I identify with and relate to motorsports, I'd say that they probably satisfy your definition of "spiritual" as you gave it in that thread. However, that's probably not saying much, since one of the examples you gave was "team spirit".
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Sports, religion, art, music, patriotism, etc - those concepts touch our emotions, tap into our psyches, into the very depths of our hearts. Our responses aren't always logical - but then there's more to life than sheer logic. Emotions have validity also.
 

jmvizanko

Uber Tool
Sports, religion, art, music, patriotism, etc - those concepts touch our emotions, tap into our psyches, into the very depths of our hearts. Our responses aren't always logical - but then there's more to life than sheer logic. Emotions have validity also.

Well sure. But that doesn't mean one can't realize that certain emotions are useless, dangerous, unjustified, or just plain stupid.
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Well sure. But that doesn't mean one can't realize that certain emotions are useless, dangerous, unjustified, or just plain stupid.

Nope. Emotions aren't stupid or useless or dangerous or even unjustified. What we DO with emotions can be stupid, useless, dangerous or unjustified.

But that's sort of beside the point. The real point is that you can't relate to the emotions that other people feel about some spectator sports, and somehow feel an urge to lash out about it.

Just because you can't relate to those feelings, does not invalidate them in others. There are such a wide range of reasons why people feel like they do about various sports - it just seems judgmental and small minded to make such sweeping generalizations (such as "People who are into sports are sort of dumb.) just because you can't relate to those reasons and emotions.

You wouldn't be one of those people who feel superior when they're putting others down, would you? Hope not.
 

doppelganger

Through the Looking Glass
(just so everyone's on the same page, here's the thread: http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/religious-debates/60926-my-spirit-theory.html )

It seems consistent enough with itself, but I agree with Angellous in that thread: it's missing the supernatural element that, IMO, most people are referring to when they talk about being "spiritual".
Well, but it does in a way. People transcend the boundaries of their self-identity as they merge into a group. Nationalism for example is a form of mystical experience. The ego fades out and the individual loses focus on their individuality as it shifts to identify itself as the group. Something similar happens with people become fanatical about "our team." The success of the team is the success of you, even though you don't get paid by the team (
 

doppelganger

Through the Looking Glass
(just so everyone's on the same page, here's the thread: http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/religious-debates/60926-my-spirit-theory.html )

It seems consistent enough with itself, but I agree with Angellous in that thread: it's missing the supernatural element that, IMO, most people are referring to when they talk about being "spiritual".
Well, but it does in a way. People transcend the boundaries of their self-identity as they merge into a group. Nationalism for example is a form of mystical experience. The ego fades out and the individual loses focus on their individuality as it shifts to identify itself as the group. Something similar happens with people become fanatical about "our team." The success of the team is the success of you, even though you don't get paid by the team (you pay them for this experience), and you don't do much if anything for the team.
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
doppelgänger;2379618 said:
Well, but it does in a way. People transcend the boundaries of their self-identity as they merge into a group. Nationalism for example is a form of mystical experience. The ego fades out and the individual loses focus on their individuality as it shifts to identify itself as the group. Something similar happens with people become fanatical about "our team." The success of the team is the success of you, even though you don't get paid by the team (


This may be true. But the way I see it, there's a difference between being fanatical and simply enjoying watching your favorite team play.

I'm talking about sports as a hobby, not as an all consuming lifestyle. Watching your team play once a week, wearing a team jersey that day, getting together with friends and getting loud in a good natured way during the game seems pretty harmless to me. In fact, the benefits would seem to outweigh the negatives. Cameraderie, letting off steam, fun on the weekend, interest in the human element - personalities of the coaches, players, owners, etc - enjoying watching the skill of the players and coaches - when something is enjoyed in moderation, I don't see the problem, even if someone is identifying with a group rather than focusing on their own individuality.

The same phenomenon can be seen in, for instance, a sales conference, or a riveting national event such as 9/11.
 
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