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Why does Donald Trump hold such power over the Republican Party?

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
Let us no longer beat about the bush -- Donald Trump lost the 2020 election. In terms of popular vote, he lost it by just over 7 million popular votes. (He lost the 2016 popular vote by nearly 3 million). In 2020, the Electoral college was 306 Biden, 232 Trump. (The reverse of 2016.)

I have spoken here before about my notions about what humans "believe," and it seems clear to me that there are two sorts of belief -- the stuff we're "supposed" to believe, and the things that we really do believe, in our very heart of hearts. One example I've used: I believe that when my stove burner is glowing red, it would be a very, very bad idea for me to put my hand on it -- and trust me, short of physical violence, nothing will get me to do it! I also believe that it's a stupid waste of money to buy lottery tickets, but then, I think, there's always a slim chance, and it's only a couple of bucks, and so I go ahead and buy them. (And, of course, always lose, or one in a while win a free ticket or $2, whoopee!)

I think it is true of both religions and politics (when humans divide themselves up into sects or parties), that there's a lot of stuff in there we're supposed to believe, but really don't, not down deep, not like the stove burner. Every Christian knows it's wrong to kill, yet a huge number of them favour the death penalty. It took until 2022 for the US, a presumably "Christian" nation, to pass a law against lynching!

I think that Donald Trump's real (and only) skill is an ability to read the hypocrisys of others (easy enough, when you're a garden-full of them yourself), and realized that most of what Republicans say they believe and defend -- well, they really don't! They're mostly "marketing slogans." The "party of life?" Nope, they favour the death penalty. The party of "small government?" Nope, they want government to interfere in people's private lives, including who they can marry.

Trump has learned what the rest of us should have by now -- the majority of Republicans (and I grant this may be true of Democrats, too!) are really only about retaining for themselves the power to direct how everybody else lives. And getting huge donations from the plutocrats who will scorch our earth for their own profit, the future of the planet be damned.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
There's often an attraction by many for "strong leaders", especially when they are disgruntled with the status quo. When one looks at the historical support for fascists worldwide, I don't think there's that's much more mystery left.

BTW, I just read this morning that in NY state, Trump is now leading Biden by several points.

"Katy, bar the door!"
 

Sand Dancer

Currently catless
Fundamentalists generally have had early trauma with authority figures/parents, so they want a god or leader that will smite their perceived enemies. They also want someone who will put white males first. They seem threatened by minorities and women usurping perceived power from them. Maybe some low self-esteem thrown in, since education levels tend to be low, so they use race and often gender (conservatives are more likely to be male) to feel superior.
 

1137

Here until I storm off again
Premium Member
The gods are replaced by state, it's the same answer as to why the left is the way it is, or the anti trump right folk. It's postmodernism.
 

InChrist

Free4ever
I think Trump is just one big distraction to divert attention from what’s really going on…

“Why so many crises?” I asked Ed. “Is our political class now simply unable to manage affairs in order to prevent crises?”

“It’s because our system of constant, out-of-control credit expansion can only be justified by a state of constant and dramatic conflict. War is the organizing principle of our financial system and political economy—war against emerging infections diseases, war against all of the world’s bad guys, war against climate change, war against each other.”

In recent years a trillion dollars has become nothing for the federal government,” he observed. “A trillion here, a trillion there. What’s the difference? Nowadays every crisis that comes along seems to automatically result in a 100 billion payout from the U.S. government.”

“To be sure, the beneficiaries of this extraordinary largesse are always interests that have powerful lobbies ensconced in Washington D.C. such as the financial, bio-pharmaceutical, defense, and now “green” industries.

Why don’t We the People recognized our Credit Expansion-Constant War system for what it is and stop falling for its tricks? The answer is that we are perennial and incorrigible suckers.”


 

Colt

Well-Known Member
Let us no longer beat about the bush -- Donald Trump lost the 2020 election. In terms of popular vote, he lost it by just over 7 million popular votes. (He lost the 2016 popular vote by nearly 3 million). In 2020, the Electoral college was 306 Biden, 232 Trump. (The reverse of 2016.)

I have spoken here before about my notions about what humans "believe," and it seems clear to me that there are two sorts of belief -- the stuff we're "supposed" to believe, and the things that we really do believe, in our very heart of hearts. One example I've used: I believe that when my stove burner is glowing red, it would be a very, very bad idea for me to put my hand on it -- and trust me, short of physical violence, nothing will get me to do it! I also believe that it's a stupid waste of money to buy lottery tickets, but then, I think, there's always a slim chance, and it's only a couple of bucks, and so I go ahead and buy them. (And, of course, always lose, or one in a while win a free ticket or $2, whoopee!)

I think it is true of both religions and politics (when humans divide themselves up into sects or parties), that there's a lot of stuff in there we're supposed to believe, but really don't, not down deep, not like the stove burner. Every Christian knows it's wrong to kill, yet a huge number of them favour the death penalty. It took until 2022 for the US, a presumably "Christian" nation, to pass a law against lynching!

I think that Donald Trump's real (and only) skill is an ability to read the hypocrisys of others (easy enough, when you're a garden-full of them yourself), and realized that most of what Republicans say they believe and defend -- well, they really don't! They're mostly "marketing slogans." The "party of life?" Nope, they favour the death penalty. The party of "small government?" Nope, they want government to interfere in people's private lives, including who they can marry.

Trump has learned what the rest of us should have by now -- the majority of Republicans (and I grant this may be true of Democrats, too!) are really only about retaining for themselves the power to direct how everybody else lives. And getting huge donations from the plutocrats who will scorch our earth for their own profit, the future of the planet be damned.
Party of innocent life!

You are simply not being honest when you frame the death penalty for someone who has committed murder with the killing of an innocent unborn baby. Millions of children have been killed in America before even being born!
 

Bthoth

Well-Known Member
Let us no longer beat about the bush -- Donald Trump lost the 2020 election. In terms of popular vote, he lost it by just over 7 million popular votes. (He lost the 2016 popular vote by nearly 3 million). In 2020, the Electoral college was 306 Biden, 232 Trump. (The reverse of 2016.)
The democratic campaign managers learned from the mistake of the previous.
I think that Donald Trump's real (and only) skill is an ability to read the hypocrisys of others
Trump as his whole business model was based on perceived value
 

InChrist

Free4ever
The Republican party has evolved into the party of white grievance crying out for validation and leadership.
And the Democratic Party has evolved into the elitist party which patronizes and exploits minorities for their own gain.



“Again and again, Biden’s relationship with black Americans, like the Democratic National Committee’s relationship, has been patronizing at best and actively harmful at worst.”

“The Democratic party holds black people in an abusive relationship but says you cannot leave because the other option is more abusive. That’s why I don’t believe that a vote against Biden solely means a vote for Trump. Perhaps it is a vote against being captured by the party that makes empty promises every four years when it is election time, and delivers nothing. Perhaps it is a vote against the crime bill, drones and deportations. Perhaps it is a vote against covert and overt racism.”



But it appears many are waking up and choosing to no longer be pawns of a party that doesn’t actually care, but merely uses them.


“Ironically, it has been the party's populists that have changed the trajectory. As today's Republicans focus more on class and culture, it is beginning to attract voters of all races who share their views on those issues.

This new Republican approach met a Democratic Party dominated by far left elites, giving it an even harder time convincing Black conservatives that there's a place for them on the Left. And as Republicans begin to finally learn how to tone down the "stuck on the Democrat plantation" rhetoric and get serious about winning over black voters by offering them what they're looking for, those Black voters who are already more ideologically aligned with the GOP are becoming more comfortable voting for that party's candidates.”
 
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Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
Party of innocent life!

You are simply not being honest when you frame the death penalty for someone who has committed murder with the killing of an innocent unborn baby. Millions of children have been killed in America before even being born!
A foetus that is incapable of survival ex-utero is neither a baby nor a child. I have said it before, I am not pro-abortion, and especially later-term abortion, but I am also not exactly pro forcing the victim of a rape, or a mere child herself, or a girl or woman whose own life may be threatened, to carry to term. More, I do not place myself in the position of having ANY RIGHT WHATEVER to tell another person what they may or may not do with their own body.

And you forgot about "Party of life that can afford it," since the Republicans deeply favor taking critical medical care away from those unable to afford it, which history shows has always resulted in higher pre-mature death rates for those people.

And "Party of Law and Order?" Hah! The party that obeys every subtle and not-so-subtle behest of the Orange Felon, and many of whom actually voted NOT to certify a legal vote, and still maintain they did nothing wrong. The hypocrisy smells to high-heaven. In my opinion.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
There's often an attraction by many for "strong leaders", especially when they are disgruntled with the status quo. When one looks at the historical support for fascists worldwide, I don't think there's that's much more mystery left.

BTW, I just read this morning that in NY state, Trump is now leading Biden by several points.

"Katy, bar the door!"
I don’t understand these polls. Trump has seldom been a leader in polls outside of red states. His popularity declined before the 2020 election and he lost for good reasons, inept and corrupt. But how is he making a comeback when he’s indicted in 4 states, obviously facing serious consequences, and his rants are more incoherent than ever? And let’s note that Biden is doing a pretty good job.

My only thought is that moderates are faking support for Trump as an effort to convince Biden to not run again. We won’t really know what people are thinking until November next year. That’s a lot of stress in the meantime.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
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Considering the elitist cabal of warmongers that frequent both American parties...
I think Trump gained popularity thanks to pragmatism and anti-bellicism.
And because most American citizens are of German descent. As Trump is.
 
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LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
The Republican Party is largely a mutual support society for people who want real hard to believe that they deserve to be influential and respected despite having no principles nor wisdom to speak of. Has been at least since the Reagan years back in 1980.

Reagan did no favors for the collective American wisdom nor personal responsibility, and most GOP politicians since only made it worse, with very few exceptions and quite a few horrendous whackos thrown into the mix. It is now about as wise and as responsible for its actions as your random six-years old child, but also quite a bit more dishonest and deluded. Its close ties to the so-called Religious Right are not helping either.

It now wants nothing more than to get away with as much as it can before someone tells them to growp up already. That role is supposed to be fulfilled by the voters, but alas, they seem to be falling way short far more often than not.

The only true solution is... well, it is to grow up already and stop lending prestige to those clowns.


As for the idea of a "strong politician", that is just bull unless we are talking Arnie and the like. "Strong politician" is just a friendly, palatable label for unreasonable people who nevertheless are treated as if leaders they were. "Strong" politicians are just fascists-in-training.
 

1137

Here until I storm off again
Premium Member
The Republican Party is largely a mutual support society for people who want real hard to believe that they deserve to be influential and respected despite having no principles nor wisdom to speak of.
American politics is largely a mutual support society for people who want real hard to believe that they deserve to be influential and respected despite having no principles nor wisdom to speak of.

FTFY
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Fundamentalists generally have had early trauma with authority figures/parents, so they want a god or leader that will smite their perceived enemies. They also want someone who will put white males first. They seem threatened by minorities and women usurping perceived power from them. Maybe some low self-esteem thrown in, since education levels tend to be low, so they use race and often gender (conservatives are more likely to be male) to feel superior.
FYI...
 
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