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Why does Donald Trump hold such power over the Republican Party?

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Money is power. Power is money.
There is also power without money.
Even in dirt poor authoritarian countries, Mr Charlie
has the power of life & death over the populace.
A simple equation and one that is at the root of it all.
Money is also the root of all good. It's the fungible
medium that enables economic prosperity.
If Bob has money, & Jill has bacon, a deal will be struck.
But without money....
If Bob has a truckload of crankshafts, & Jill has a
boatload of hair dryers, they can't do business.
They whom control the flow of money, control the world.
Someone will control it, no matter what
the economic system is. So ya canna
blame money for the existence of power.
Anyway, enough of your heresy citizen voter. We are derailing again. :p
OK.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Right!
What about a non human executive, that creates it's own regulatory system?
For another thread maybe.
All software is agenda laden.
Rigid controls in a system subject to complex
& unanticipated inputs will behave unpredictably,
possibly catastrophically. So controls would have
to be AI driven. We've no idea where that would
lead. Perhaps "Colossus: The Forbin Project"?
Tell ya what....try it out in some other country for
a couple decades, & we'll discuss the results.
 

Little Dragon

Well-Known Member
All software is agenda laden.
Rigid controls in a system subject to complex
& unanticipated inputs will behave unpredictably,
possibly catastrophically. So controls would have
to be AI driven. We've no idea where that would
lead. Perhaps "Colossus: The Forbin Project"?
Tell ya what....try it out in some other country for
a couple decades, & we'll discuss the results.

*Did we have a process for unanticipated inputs?*
*Run a second or third system in tandem, with override protocols, as regulatory controls?*
*Sounds legit!*

Yeah, no it's cool bruh. ;)
 

Sargonski

Well-Known Member
Mmm,I think Trump and co like MTG Boebart Gaetz and that weird guy holding up the military promotions are defo authoritarian,even remind me of the lunatic Hitler,MTG especially,she is full of conspiracy theories,it kind of surreal.

Don't know MTG but no shortage of conspiracy in Gov't these days .. how about that Lab Leak and the Fauci Clown. NO shortage of authoritarian Hitler lunatics either .. Forced medical Treatment mandates .. complete with the propaganda and lies .... censorship of the Truth .. demonization of dissenters .. Mark them with a yellow star .. restrict movement on that basis. Those that know totalitarianism know that everything becomes a lie .. The Canadian #2 Liberal Woke Parliamentarian who wanted to erase History .. just cancel that day when they honored a Ukrainian Nazi .. while Zelenski was visiting .. Just Cancel history .. and re-write with propaganda .. a complicit media is a big canary in the coal mine .. screething loudly.

One thing about conspiracy therories .. is that only someone who has drank down the propaganda Koolaid claims there are no conspiracies or does not believe in conspiracies .. did you know that ?
 

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
Don't know MTG but no shortage of conspiracy in Gov't these days .. how about that Lab Leak and the Fauci Clown. NO shortage of authoritarian Hitler lunatics either .. Forced medical Treatment mandates .. complete with the propaganda and lies .... censorship of the Truth .. demonization of dissenters .. Mark them with a yellow star .. restrict movement on that basis. Those that know totalitarianism know that everything becomes a lie .. The Canadian #2 Liberal Woke Parliamentarian who wanted to erase History .. just cancel that day when they honored a Ukrainian Nazi .. while Zelenski was visiting .. Just Cancel history .. and re-write with propaganda .. a complicit media is a big canary in the coal mine .. screething loudly.

One thing about conspiracy therories .. is that only someone who has drank down the propaganda Koolaid claims there are no conspiracies or does not believe in conspiracies .. did you know that ?
Oh you don’t know Marjorie Taylor green,in a way ignorance of such people could be seen as beneficial,unfortunately for America they don’t get a choice,I happily haven’t drank the koolaid.
 

Sargonski

Well-Known Member
Oh you don’t know Marjorie Taylor green,in a way ignorance of such people could be seen as beneficial,unfortunately for America they don’t get a choice,I happily haven’t drank the koolaid.

Ahh .. now I know the acronym - and they don't get much closer to the bin of human garbage .. . theocratic authoritarian on a mission whats not to dislike .. "my body my choice" .. except for things one disagrees with .. like abortion .. Pot . Prostitution .. and every other hypocrisy of the religious right wishing to force religious belief on others through physical violence .. Law.

Good to hear you didn't drink that Kool-aid... cept you did drink that kool-aid .. just came under the guise of Blue instead of Red "My Body My Choice" cept for things one disagrees with "Forced Medical Treatment .. Jab or lose Job" -- Allow boss to violate bodily integrity or lose Job.. .. or just things we agree with .. Pot .. Prostitution.. and generalized utilitarian justification for law. Forcing persoanl beliefs on other in violation of the constitution and bodily integrity .. through physical violence .. Law.

Drank it down you did .. the "Harm Reduction" trope --- "if it saves one life" as justification for law .. because .. who wouldn't want to save a life right ?
 

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
Ahh .. now I know the acronym - and they don't get much closer to the bin of human garbage .. . theocratic authoritarian on a mission whats not to dislike .. "my body my choice" .. except for things one disagrees with .. like abortion .. Pot . Prostitution .. and every other hypocrisy of the religious right wishing to force religious belief on others through physical violence .. Law.

Good to hear you didn't drink that Kool-aid... cept you did drink that kool-aid .. just came under the guise of Blue instead of Red "My Body My Choice" cept for things one disagrees with "Forced Medical Treatment .. Jab or lose Job" -- Allow boss to violate bodily integrity or lose Job.. .. or just things we agree with .. Pot .. Prostitution.. and generalized utilitarian justification for law. Forcing persoanl beliefs on other in violation of the constitution and bodily integrity .. through physical violence .. Law.

Drank it down you did .. the "Harm Reduction" trope --- "if it saves one life" as justification for law .. because .. who wouldn't want to save a life right ?

My body my choice seems ok to me.
 

Sargonski

Well-Known Member
My body my choice seems ok to me.

Good for you but, not for Blue who lose their marbles when it comes to the flue .. conducting a huge power grab .. violating "my body my choice" .. engaging in Nazi like tactics -- Forced medical Treatment concurrent with state sponsored propaganda effort .. lies and deception .. canceling history and the Truth .. because in totalitarianism everything becomes a lie.

Good on you for not drinking the Blue Kool-aid .. should Biden and Fauci and others, be doing time for their crime ? .. that is the question.
 

Maninthemiddle

Active Member
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England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
Good for you but, not for Blue who lose their marbles when it comes to the flue .. conducting a huge power grab .. violating "my body my choice" .. engaging in Nazi like tactics -- Forced medical Treatment concurrent with state sponsored propaganda effort .. lies and deception .. canceling history and the Truth .. because in totalitarianism everything becomes a lie.

Good on you for not drinking the Blue Kool-aid .. should Biden and Fauci and others, be doing time for their crime ? .. that is the question.

I’m not a fan of Biden,I don’t think he can be forgiven for the withdrawal from afghanistan,if he or the others you mention are guilty of a crime the evidence should be presented but so far none has.
 

Sargonski

Well-Known Member
I’m not a fan of Biden,I don’t think he can be forgiven for the withdrawal from afghanistan,if he or the others you mention are guilty of a crime the evidence should be presented but so far none has.

The crime of Forced Medical Treatment on the basis of lies .. how much evidence did you need .. and how is it you are not aware of any of it? The Jab did not prevent transmission .. and likely came from the lab.. covid was not that dangerous to normal semi-healthy people ... the risk of harm from the Jab is extremely high ..as far as Jabs go .. way higher than risk of harm from Covid for normal person.

That is alot of lies .. and alot of others..
 

Wandering Monk

Well-Known Member
Ironic.

But Trump, the current front-runner for the Republican presidential nomination, will not be disqualified from the presidency even if convicted, and he told Politico in June that he won’t leave the presidential race if he is convicted of the charges.​
At another rally on November 3, 2016, in Concord, North Carolina, Trump made similar comments.​
“If she were to win, it would create an unprecedented Constitutional crisis that would cripple the operations of our government,” he said. “She is likely to be under investigation for many years, and also it will probably end up – in my opinion – in a criminal trial. I mean, you take a look. Who knows? But it certainly looks that way.”​
“She has no right to be running, you know that,” Trump said. “No right.”​
Trump added at a November 5, 2016, rally in Denver that as “the prime suspect in a far-reaching criminal investigation,” Clinton’s controversies would make it “virtually impossible for her to govern.”​

 

Little Dragon

Well-Known Member
The crime of Forced Medical Treatment on the basis of lies .. how much evidence did you need .. and how is it you are not aware of any of it? The Jab did not prevent transmission .. and likely came from the lab.. covid was not that dangerous to normal semi-healthy people ... the risk of harm from the Jab is extremely high ..as far as Jabs go .. way higher than risk of harm from Covid for normal person.

That is alot of lies .. and alot of others..
Vaccines are not intended to prevent transmission of viral particles shed during infection. They are administered in order to give the immune system the chance to develop antigens that would prevent illness and serious complications from an infection, later on.
As for the rest of your post about forced treatment and dangerous "jabs" I have no idea what you're talking about.
I had the "jab" and a booster, of my own free choice. I am fine, and I haven't suffered from covid since.
 

wellwisher

Well-Known Member
Democrats constantly claim that they represent the interests of low-income, working-class, non-white Americans to influence the voting of minorities. Yet, Democratic policies and programs continue to damage minority communities and Democrat controlled cities, which are disproportionately crime-ridden, with fewer economic and educational opportunities. All the while the Democratic politicians pocket, skim, or waste money which was meant to help those in need.

The Democrats oppose giving parents freedom to control where their children go to school and what they learn.

Democrats oppose limiting government so businesses and the economy are free to grow at a healthy pace, curbing inflation.

I think the Democratic party, rather than helping minority people and communities become prosperous and safe would rather simply provide token handouts to keep people dependent and under their control.
Under the guise of caring about low-income or minority Americans, the Democratic Party wind up hurting these very communities.


So where does the passion of Democrats really lie, in improving lives of citizens or in dramatically expanding government?
The most recent promise, the Dems will not keep, is the Reparations, carrot on the stick, started in California. This is dangled to keep the Blacks towing the line. The Democrats know this is not practical; costs, nor rational, but they feel they can always blame the Republicans for refusing, and get a pass, virtue signalling; pretend they cared. It was always a scam; telling voters what they wanted to hear. It did build enthusiasm, but when the chickens came home to roost, the trap door opened. It is sad the blacks still fall for such promises, like an abused but caring wife, with an alcoholic husband.

Election time is coming and I bet the Democrats leaders will pull out the same promise list they used in 2020, but did not keep. Many Blacks will fall for it again, but fewer than last time. The Left may even politicize some police versus blacks violence, to get riots going, to appeal to young black and white liberals. The same and new generation of boneheads will get all excited, once again, pretending to care, while they wreck the house. It just a more violent mimic of 1970's nostalgia, that seems to work with Lefty youth.

Whether you like Trump or not, for personal or fake news and propaganda reasons, he did keep his promise even while under fire by the Democrat and Swamp opposition and propaganda team. He built the wall and made us energy independent. He tried to drain the Swamp but you can see how they reacted with revenge. He reduced regulations which combined with the tax cut, led to a very strong economy, especially for minorities and women.

Biden did the opposite; Democrat mirror world policies, which have led to inflation and Democrat sanctuary cities whining and complaining; trouble in paradise. If the Democrats had been for the middle class, they would not have stabbed the middle class in the back. The poverty level has gone up and inflation of basic essential like food and gas, has eaten away at Trump era gains.

Biden is starting to reverse these stupid positions, since the Radical Democrats were wrong, and if this is not reversed, back to the common sense of Trump, it could cause them the election. So now Biden is building the wall and making the border less porous. Dumb people need to follow smarter people. The illegal immigration they endorsed, is here and is now eating away at the resources and jobs than once benefited the inner city Blacks. This will be pointed out in the upcoming election. The Blacks were forgotten, again, in the Democrat grand scheme of things.

The worse of all is the way the Democrat party is treating Trump, via the dual injustice system revenge tour. It is similar to way the KKK and injustice wing of the Democrat Party used to treat successful Black businessmen. Trump is building empathy among the Blacks and Hispanics, since both are getting flash backs. The same Party is at it again. Everyone can also see the dual justice that Biden is getting in spite of influence peddling.

Now I read that Biden's house in Delaware, where he retreats, was bought with cash, about the time Hunter was in a prosperous business arrangement, lacking skills to do the job. Hunter had an ace in the hole. The Lefty news is not reporting this since they are a propaganda machine and not real news. But you all knew that.
 

Sargonski

Well-Known Member
Vaccines are not intended to prevent transmission of viral particles shed during infection. They are administered in order to give the immune system the chance to develop antigens that would prevent illness and serious complications from an infection, later on.
As for the rest of your post about forced treatment and dangerous "jabs" I have no idea what you're talking about.
I had the "jab" and a booster, of my own free choice. I am fine, and I haven't suffered from covid since.

Sorry LD .. Vaccines in the past were intended to -- and did prevent transmission. There was great hope that the mRNA treatments would prevent transmission - policy was made on the basis of preventing transmission .. the justification for the mandates - and subsequent violation of civil liberties such as Forced Vaccination ... was justified on the basis of preventing transmission.

"I have no idea" -- clearly if you did not realize that Jab or lose Job is not a free choice .. is force/coercion. Do you also believe that Jab or have sex with bos is a "Free Choice" ... and thus perfectly legal.

"I haven't suffered from covid since" -- is about as ridiculously uninformed anecdotal commentary as it gets. you start out saying VAx not intended to prevent transmission .. then pretend like the vax prevented Covid from transmitting to you ... ? My wife is unvaxed - everyone around us including myself has gotten covid .. some of the double vaxed super spreaders getting it twice .. she never got it .. which is the case for a whole lot of people .. just the way viruses work .. having ZERO to do with you being Jabbed ... which actually makes you more succeptible .. not less.

Last --- aside this big rabbit hole down which you have wandered .. the fact remains that the Gov't LIED about Transmission .. made legislation on the basis of a lie .. legislation messing with essential liberty. .. do you understand ?
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
The crime of Forced Medical Treatment on the basis of lies .. how much evidence did you need .. and how is it you are not aware of any of it? The Jab did not prevent transmission .. and likely came from the lab.. covid was not that dangerous to normal semi-healthy people ... the risk of harm from the Jab is extremely high ..as far as Jabs go .. way higher than risk of harm from Covid for normal person.

That is alot of lies .. and alot of others..
Yes, you've certainly listed a bunch of lies that are demonstrably false.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
Sorry LD .. Vaccines in the past were intended to -- and did prevent transmission
Nope. We've been over this.
. There was great hope that the mRNA treatments would prevent transmission - policy was made on the basis of preventing transmission .. the justification for the mandates - and subsequent violation of civil liberties such as Forced Vaccination ... was justified on the basis of preventing transmission.

"I have no idea" -- clearly if you did not realize that Jab or lose Job is not a free choice .. is force/coercion. Do you also believe that Jab or have sex with bos is a "Free Choice" ... and thus perfectly legal.

"I haven't suffered from covid since" -- is about as ridiculously uninformed anecdotal commentary as it gets. you start out saying VAx not intended to prevent transmission .. then pretend like the vax prevented Covid from transmitting to you ... ? My wife is unvaxed - everyone around us including myself has gotten covid .. some of the double vaxed super spreaders getting it twice .. she never got it .. which is the case for a whole lot of people .. just the way viruses work .. having ZERO to do with you being Jabbed ... which actually makes you more succeptible .. not less.

Last --- aside this big rabbit hole down which you have wandered .. the fact remains that the Gov't LIED about Transmission .. made legislation on the basis of a lie .. legislation messing with essential liberty. .. do you understand ?
 
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